The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition

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Game Stuttering and Occasional Crashes (mods)
If anyone has any insights I'd appreciate it.

Every once in a while the game freezes, then continues on. It seems to happen most frequently when I enter new areas (even if I was there a few seconds ago). I've gotten a couple crashes now as well.

I use NMM (yeah I know it's outdated but I was new to modding so I just went with it).

I have uninstalled a couple mods during my playthrough:

-UFO
-The 2nd Great War (I had it installed for a long time, then rolled back to before I activated the quest and uninstalled it)
-Serana amorous questline (after completion)
-Open Civil war (almost everyone's armor bugged out, still have some naked people walking around. I uninstalled the mod after completing the quest)

Yeah I know it wasn't the best move to uninstall mods like that but I was new to modding.

I run this game on my laptop. I just finished building a pc so I'll get to see then if it's actually my machine causing the issues.

Is there hope for my playthrough or am I screwed? I've put a lot of time into this one so I'd really rather keep it if at all possible.

Here is my load order:

GameMode=SkyrimSE

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp=1
kart_CSSET.esp=1
kart_CSSET0.esp=1
kart_CSSET00.esp=1
kart_CSSET000.esp=1
kart_CSSET0000.esp=1
EFFCore.esm=1
TravellersOfSkyrim.esm=1
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm=1
ForgottenIsland.esp=1
DSerCombatGameplayOverhaul.esp=1
EFFDialogue.esp=1
ShadowstarCastle.esp=1
Lakeview_Extended.esp=1
Lakeview_Extended_Basement.esp=1
VioLens SE.esp=1
GrandPaladinSE.esp=1
MoonAndStar_MAS.esp=1
AdalMatar.esp=1
Maelstrom.esp=1
The Shadow of Meresis.esp=1
Revenants of the Forbidden Order.esp=1
Increased Enemy Bosses - 2x.esp=1
Increased Enemy Spawns - 3x.esp=1
ForgottenCity.esp=1
Immersive Followers.esp=1
Dr_Bandolier.esp=1
DragonCarvedArmorSet.esp=1
icebladeofthemonarch.esp=1
Ebonsteel Armour SE.esp=1
BosmerElderShadowArmor.esp=1
StendarrPaladinArmor.esp=1
Wooden Frame Packs.esp=1
AVExpansion.esp=1
DragonbornAscendant.esp=1
My Home Is Your Home.esp=1
OBIS SE.esp=1
Draugr Upgrades and Improvements.esp=1
1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp=1
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1
Serana Dialogue Edit.esp=1
SeranaDialogAddon.esp=1
Inigo.esp=1
SofiaFollower.esp=1
Iron-ScalesAndCinder-TailBeastRaceFollowers.esp=1
EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp=1
Run For Your Lives.esp=1
TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp=1
JNL - Lots More Followers.esp=1
Mercenaries of Skyrim.esp=1
Immersive Patrols II.esp=1
Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp=1
MINPCS.esp=1
CitizensComplete.esp=1
ETaC - Darkwater Crossing.esp=1
ETaC - Dawnstar.esp=1
ETaC - Rorikstead.esp=1
ETaC - Riverwood.esp=1
Extra Guards.esp=1
Extra Guards Aggressive and Vanilla Stats Patch.esp=1
ArmyReforms.esp=1
DangerousEbonyWarrior.esp=1
TheRealAntiphon.esp=1 (this is my personal generic follower mod)
Supreme Miraak.esp=1
ogSplendorDragons.esp=1
Simply Stronger Dragons.esp=1
LessDragons0-almost.esp=1
concentrativefireandfrostshoutnew2.0.esp=1
TheFrontierFixed.esp=1
RDO - EFF v4.0.2 Patch.esp=1
RDO - USSEP Patch.esp=1
Icactors.esp=1
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp=1
SkyUI_SE.esp=1
UIExtensions.esp=1
moonpath.esp=1
JRMoonpathtoElsweyrPatch.esp=1
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ladyeternity Feb 22, 2021 @ 2:04pm 
Go into an interior. Save the game.
Exit
Download a save game cleaner off Nexus. ( I use FallrimTools which includes ReSaver )
Run it. Under "Clean" have it remove unattached instances and remove undefined elements.
SaveAs (name it whatever)
Exit
Launch Skyrim SE
Load your cleaned save.
Once in game make a new save.
Should be fine now. :)
Last edited by ladyeternity; Feb 22, 2021 @ 2:07pm
fauxpas Feb 22, 2021 @ 2:08pm 
The first step is to delete your save, as any meaningful troubleshooting was rendered impossible when you started removing mods; yes, we understand you were new and didn't know better, but facts are facts, your save is beyond repair.


Ok, now that we have that clear, do you experience the same issues on a new character?

Also I see that you mentioned a laptop, what are the specs so someone who is good at hardware troubleshooting can take a look at it.
fauxpas Feb 22, 2021 @ 2:09pm 
Originally posted by ladyeternity:
Go into an interior. Save the game.
Exit
Download a save game cleaner off Nexus. ( I use FallrimTools which includes ReSaver )
Run it. Under "Clean" have it remove unattached instances and remove undefined elements.
SaveAs (name it whatever)
Exit
Launch Skyrim SE
Load your cleaned save.
Once in game make a new save.
Should be fine now. :)

Ugh, "save cleaners" are a myth and are unable to remove data that has been baked into a save.
ladyeternity Feb 22, 2021 @ 2:32pm 
Originally posted by fauxpas:
Originally posted by ladyeternity:
Go into an interior. Save the game.
Exit
Download a save game cleaner off Nexus. ( I use FallrimTools which includes ReSaver )
Run it. Under "Clean" have it remove unattached instances and remove undefined elements.
SaveAs (name it whatever)
Exit
Launch Skyrim SE
Load your cleaned save.
Once in game make a new save.
Should be fine now. :)

Ugh, "save cleaners" are a myth and are unable to remove data that has been baked into a save.

No they cannot remove all data baked into a save but they can remove the scripts that are making them stutter and crash. Sometimes mods just don't work out and you have to remove them. If you are far into your game, running a save cleaner is much better then starting over. I have saved numerous games with it. There are other ways to fix issues caused by removing mods mid-play through. Telling someone their save is not repairable IMHO is "dis-information".

If an NPC is naked from removing a mod, target them with the console and type 'resurrect'. Poof. Not naked.

If you have to remove a mod (like house mod) and have already entered the cell. Go to another cell, save the game. Remove the house mod. Load game. Go into the house. Exit. Go into a new interior cell. Save. Restart. Your cell should be mostly fixed. You can at this point try a new house mod for the same cell if you want.

If you get activate blocked (can't mount a horse) there is a mod that will unblock it. Simple search on google will find it. (saved me when immersive horses destroyed my game -it hadn't been updated- and I had to uninstall it. I cleaned the save but the scripts it was running on the horses caused them to be perma activate blocked when it was removed)

When rogue scripts run, after the mod has been uninstalled it can cause a bogging down of papyrus(SKSE), because the mod no longer exists to talk to the script. This can cause stuttering and crashes. Which is why you should clean your save.

However, the above poster is correct. You should always AVOID uninstalling mods mid-play through unless you absolutely have to. Some issues you cannot come back from. And require you to start a new game.
smr1957 Feb 22, 2021 @ 3:10pm 
HOW MANY TIMES MUST THIS BE REPEATED????

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CLEAN SAVE, NOR IS IT POSSIBLE TO CLEAN ONE!!!!!

For full and definitive information regarding this see:
You CANNOT Remove Mods Mid-Playthrough -
http://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/1520386297681801135/

Completely ignore everything posted by ladyeternity - it is completely wrong as to what can be done re: saves.

Your ONLY options are to roll back to a save made before you installed those removed mods, go back to a save made before uninstalling anything (not an option if those mods were causing issues), or start a new game - there are NO other options. And anyone who says there is knows absolutely nothing about what they are speaking of.

So, unfortunately, your play through is screwed and you will need to start a new game. Wish I could say something different, but it is just not possible.
Last edited by smr1957; Feb 22, 2021 @ 3:13pm
ladyeternity Feb 22, 2021 @ 3:41pm 
Originally posted by smr1957:
HOW MANY TIMES MUST THIS BE REPEATED????

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CLEAN SAVE, NOR IS IT POSSIBLE TO CLEAN ONE!!!!!

For full and definitive information regarding this see:
You CANNOT Remove Mods Mid-Playthrough -
http://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/1520386297681801135/

Completely ignore everything posted by ladyeternity - it is completely wrong as to what can be done re: saves.

Your ONLY options are to roll back to a save made before you installed those removed mods, go back to a save made before uninstalling anything (not an option if those mods were causing issues), or start a new game - there are NO other options. And anyone who says there is knows absolutely nothing about what they are speaking of.

So, unfortunately, your play through is screwed and you will need to start a new game. Wish I could say something different, but it is just not possible.

Save Game Cleaners are mainly for removing rogue scripts.

Save Game Cleaners are not a fix all for Stupid. Plain and simple. They are not going to fix 80% of issues caused by removing mod mid-play through. It matters what kind of mod it was you removed as to if the save can be fixed to a play-able level. I never said your game would be 100% fixed. You might have things....placement of items, meshes, actors and so on that are baked into your save. Sometimes things cannot be fixed. I said that. I never say things lightly. I will NEVER give someone advice I myself have not used, followed and profited off of.

Telling someone their save is not salvageable is straight - up - ignorant.

The topic for his post "Game Stuttering and Occasional Crashes (mods)".

They removed:

-UFO
-The 2nd Great War (I had it installed for a long time, then rolled back to before I activated the quest and uninstalled it)
-Serana amorous questline (after completion)
-Open Civil war (almost everyone's armor bugged out, still have some naked people walking around. I uninstalled the mod after completing the quest)

All of these are scripted. Poster wants to stop stuttering and crashing. A save game cleaner should be used to remove the rogue scripts.

To the original poster:

The save game cleaner will not fixed naked NPC's. It will not fix missing meshes/actors/cells. It will not fix the hole left by removing mods mid-play through. Can you fix some of the issues? Maybe. Possibly.

Should you throw out your 80+hour play through immediately without bothering to try? Your choice.
Last edited by ladyeternity; Feb 22, 2021 @ 3:45pm
SailaNamai Feb 22, 2021 @ 3:50pm 
First thing you should do is verify if the problem is save specific or not. Although there is a pretty good chance you screwed yourself. The mods you removed don't make small changes either. Start a new game and see if it plays normally. If it does you likely have your answer.

You should never use a savecleaner to batch clean your safe like was suggested to you. Sooner or later that save will explode. You can use them as a precision tool, but at this point i think it's out of the question.

Also do not re-dress your npc's with resurrect. Use disable/enable.
smr1957 Feb 22, 2021 @ 4:12pm 
For OP (and any others that may see this thread)
The most important thing when looking through the forum and checking for solutions to problems is being able to determine whom to listen to among the many that post here. So, to wit: It can be confusing to determine whom to listen to on these forums, especially for someone new. In the pinned topic Helpful Links and References, see Section 6, Miscellaneous - Reliable Forum Regulars, for a list and explanation.

Really, who are you going to listen to - the individual who is amongst the top ten in the world when it comes to knowledge of Skyrim, with thousands of hours of experience, not so much in playing the game, as in helping in the forums, studying the game and its inner workings and mechanics, and in writing definitive articles about the game - or someone who calls that same person ignorant, who has no bona fides to back up who they are and what their knowledge is, and has no verifiable information as to their knowledge?

The individual posting here is not worth wasting any further time on - they do not know the game, they do not know what they are talking about, and they are providing completely wrong and misleading information.
Last edited by smr1957; Feb 22, 2021 @ 4:12pm
Vlad 254 Feb 22, 2021 @ 4:17pm 
Thank you smr1957 as I could not have said it better, this kind of thing is rearing it's ugly head again as of late.
Highborn Peasant Feb 22, 2021 @ 5:19pm 
Originally posted by smr1957:
HOW MANY TIMES MUST THIS BE REPEATED????

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CLEAN SAVE, NOR IS IT POSSIBLE TO CLEAN ONE!!!!!

For full and definitive information regarding this see:
You CANNOT Remove Mods Mid-Playthrough -
http://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/1520386297681801135/

Completely ignore everything posted by ladyeternity - it is completely wrong as to what can be done re: saves.

Your ONLY options are to roll back to a save made before you installed those removed mods, go back to a save made before uninstalling anything (not an option if those mods were causing issues), or start a new game - there are NO other options. And anyone who says there is knows absolutely nothing about what they are speaking of.

So, unfortunately, your play through is screwed and you will need to start a new game. Wish I could say something different, but it is just not possible.

I was afraid this would be the case. I'm going to try the fix ladyeternity suggested because if my save is already screwed what do I have to lose lol.
Highborn Peasant Feb 22, 2021 @ 5:23pm 
Originally posted by ladyeternity:
Originally posted by smr1957:
HOW MANY TIMES MUST THIS BE REPEATED????

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CLEAN SAVE, NOR IS IT POSSIBLE TO CLEAN ONE!!!!!

For full and definitive information regarding this see:
You CANNOT Remove Mods Mid-Playthrough -
http://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/1520386297681801135/

Completely ignore everything posted by ladyeternity - it is completely wrong as to what can be done re: saves.

Your ONLY options are to roll back to a save made before you installed those removed mods, go back to a save made before uninstalling anything (not an option if those mods were causing issues), or start a new game - there are NO other options. And anyone who says there is knows absolutely nothing about what they are speaking of.

So, unfortunately, your play through is screwed and you will need to start a new game. Wish I could say something different, but it is just not possible.

Save Game Cleaners are mainly for removing rogue scripts.

Save Game Cleaners are not a fix all for Stupid. Plain and simple. They are not going to fix 80% of issues caused by removing mod mid-play through. It matters what kind of mod it was you removed as to if the save can be fixed to a play-able level. I never said your game would be 100% fixed. You might have things....placement of items, meshes, actors and so on that are baked into your save. Sometimes things cannot be fixed. I said that. I never say things lightly. I will NEVER give someone advice I myself have not used, followed and profited off of.

Telling someone their save is not salvageable is straight - up - ignorant.

The topic for his post "Game Stuttering and Occasional Crashes (mods)".

They removed:

-UFO
-The 2nd Great War (I had it installed for a long time, then rolled back to before I activated the quest and uninstalled it)
-Serana amorous questline (after completion)
-Open Civil war (almost everyone's armor bugged out, still have some naked people walking around. I uninstalled the mod after completing the quest)

All of these are scripted. Poster wants to stop stuttering and crashing. A save game cleaner should be used to remove the rogue scripts.

To the original poster:

The save game cleaner will not fixed naked NPC's. It will not fix missing meshes/actors/cells. It will not fix the hole left by removing mods mid-play through. Can you fix some of the issues? Maybe. Possibly.

Should you throw out your 80+hour play through immediately without bothering to try? Your choice.

Thanks for replying! Other people replying don't think it'll work, but I'm willing to try anything if my save is screwed anyway. I really don't want to give up this playthrough since I've sunk more then 200 hours into it (lol i know). It's my only playthrough with SE (I only did one on the base game as well) so I'm willing to try basically anything.

The naked npcs are a much smaller problem (I didn't make the post for that I just thought I'd mention it) but I'll try your suggestion.

I will see if it fixes the problem when I have time. Thx!
Highborn Peasant Feb 22, 2021 @ 5:35pm 
Originally posted by fauxpas:
The first step is to delete your save, as any meaningful troubleshooting was rendered impossible when you started removing mods; yes, we understand you were new and didn't know better, but facts are facts, your save is beyond repair.


Ok, now that we have that clear, do you experience the same issues on a new character?

Also I see that you mentioned a laptop, what are the specs so someone who is good at hardware troubleshooting can take a look at it.

thx for replying, here are my laptop specs. I will definitely test a new character when I get a chance.

System Model HP ENVY x360 Convertible
System Type x64-based PC
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7500U CPU @ 2.70GHz, 2904 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
SMBIOS Version 2.8
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 8.00 GB
Total Physical Memory 7.91 GB
Available Physical Memory 4.23 GB
Total Virtual Memory 10.7 GB
sparky_bandit Feb 22, 2021 @ 5:40pm 
Originally posted by smr1957:
HOW MANY TIMES MUST THIS BE REPEATED????

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CLEAN SAVE, NOR IS IT POSSIBLE TO CLEAN ONE!!!!!

For full and definitive information regarding this see:
You CANNOT Remove Mods Mid-Playthrough -
http://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/1520386297681801135/

Completely ignore everything posted by ladyeternity - it is completely wrong as to what can be done re: saves.

Your ONLY options are to roll back to a save made before you installed those removed mods, go back to a save made before uninstalling anything (not an option if those mods were causing issues), or start a new game - there are NO other options. And anyone who says there is knows absolutely nothing about what they are speaking of.

So, unfortunately, your play through is screwed and you will need to start a new game. Wish I could say something different, but it is just not possible.

You can remove mods mid playthrough. You need to do your due diligence with dependencies.

What's the worst case scenario if removing a mod during the game hoses your game? Start over?

Maybe cleaning back to vanilla?
Highborn Peasant Feb 22, 2021 @ 5:41pm 
Originally posted by SailaNamai:
First thing you should do is verify if the problem is save specific or not. Although there is a pretty good chance you screwed yourself. The mods you removed don't make small changes either. Start a new game and see if it plays normally. If it does you likely have your answer.

You should never use a savecleaner to batch clean your safe like was suggested to you. Sooner or later that save will explode. You can use them as a precision tool, but at this point i think it's out of the question.

Also do not re-dress your npc's with resurrect. Use disable/enable.

Thanks for replying, I'll try your resurrect suggestion.

If my save is screwed anyway, what do I have to lose if I try the savecleaner? Is is going to somehow damage my other saves? (idk if that sounds sarcastic but its not)
ladyeternity Feb 22, 2021 @ 6:13pm 
Originally posted by Oldbobdude:
Originally posted by smr1957:
HOW MANY TIMES MUST THIS BE REPEATED????

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CLEAN SAVE, NOR IS IT POSSIBLE TO CLEAN ONE!!!!!

For full and definitive information regarding this see:
You CANNOT Remove Mods Mid-Playthrough -
http://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/1520386297681801135/

Completely ignore everything posted by ladyeternity - it is completely wrong as to what can be done re: saves.

Your ONLY options are to roll back to a save made before you installed those removed mods, go back to a save made before uninstalling anything (not an option if those mods were causing issues), or start a new game - there are NO other options. And anyone who says there is knows absolutely nothing about what they are speaking of.

So, unfortunately, your play through is screwed and you will need to start a new game. Wish I could say something different, but it is just not possible.

You can remove mods mid playthrough. You need to do your due diligence with dependencies.

What's the worst case scenario if removing a mod during the game hoses your game? Start over?

Maybe cleaning back to vanilla?

Oh be sure....if you removed mods mid-game...you are going to have at least some messed up stuff. It's unavoidable. But if you clean the save and the baked stuff isn't too bad, you should be able to continue playing.

If it's hosed, it's hosed.You have to start over at that point.

Few tips:

1: Always save in an interior away from any interior you are removing mods from.
2: If you are removing a mod that has content that's with you....like armor, weapons, followers...get them out of your inventory or stop them from following you. Go to an interior away from them before you make the save you are going to purge the mod / clean.
3: If you are removing a house mod ALWAYS remove your stuff from the home before you attempt removal.
4: Never use quicksave. Never use Autosave. Always disable Autosave in the options.
5: Never increase the ugrids past 5. Leave them default.
6: Never save while on your horse.
7: Don't save over saves. Ever. Always make a new save.
8: Don't feel bad if all your efforts lead to having to start over. You tried. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

PS: I honestly don't think it's possible to "clean back to default". The minute you put in mods and save, your game will never be default...ever...because the way the game saves data. That's what 'baked into the save' means.
Last edited by ladyeternity; Feb 22, 2021 @ 6:33pm
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