In my time of need *Spoilers*

[BennyRahma]

So who do you side with and why? I usually side with Saadia simply because I feel bad for her and dont care what crime she committed back home honestly lol. Do you believe her or Kematu and his band of Alikr? I think she is guilty but I like saving her and owning the Alikr

[Von Faustien]

Nguyên văn bởi Ihateeverybody:

All I know is their one authorized novel was about some floating fortress featuring the most recent Emporer as the protaginist (Before he ascended to the throne) and I could not tell you anything more about it. I know I read the whole thing, but I mentally checked out after the first Sentence. Which still haunts me to this day. "By Stendarr"......uggghhhhh. So cliche...so bad.

My point being. I haven't really been impressed by Bethesda's writing ever. I mean Morrowind did some good stuff, but frankly I have seen better. Now their environmental storytelling. Thats where I see the best stuff.

They need to return agency over the character back to the player and not continue with this destiny, chosen of the gods ♥♥♥♥. Just let me be some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ jagoff who stumbles into events.

having read the 2 TES novels you didnt miss much there slightly bellow trash fantasy and the interesting bits about the post septim empires politics are ignored.

[alexander_dougherty]

Nguyên văn bởi Von Faustien:

Nguyên văn bởi Ihateeverybody:

All I know is their one authorized novel was about some floating fortress featuring the most recent Emporer as the protaginist (Before he ascended to the throne) and I could not tell you anything more about it. I know I read the whole thing, but I mentally checked out after the first Sentence. Which still haunts me to this day. "By Stendarr"......uggghhhhh. So cliche...so bad.

My point being. I haven't really been impressed by Bethesda's writing ever. I mean Morrowind did some good stuff, but frankly I have seen better. Now their environmental storytelling. Thats where I see the best stuff.

They need to return agency over the character back to the player and not continue with this destiny, chosen of the gods ♥♥♥♥. Just let me be some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ jagoff who stumbles into events.

having read the 2 TES novels you didnt miss much there slightly bellow trash fantasy and the interesting bits about the post septim empires politics are ignored.

Yeah, those two novels are more inspired by TES universe than set in them... Not considered Canon.

[Gullis]

Always kematu. Bros before hoes

[FauxFurry]

Nguyên văn bởi alexander_dougherty:

Nguyên văn bởi Ihateeverybody:

I like the part where he implies the writers are in depth lore specialists. *cough* Battlespire Dragon *cough*

Script writers should have a passing acquaintance with the lore, it's their job to be informed on the subject they are writing about, if they are not so informed they are not doing their job properly.... and yes that includes writers for games, nerdy TV shows and films..... My favourite TV shows are extremely nerdy btw, so it isn't an insult... or at least isn't intended as an insult.

The head writer of Wanda Vision did not have any familiarity with the Marvel Universe and it didn't really hurt her any.

[ladyeternity]

Nguyên văn bởi BennyRahma:

So who do you side with and why? I usually side with Saadia simply because I feel bad for her and dont care what crime she committed back home honestly lol. Do you believe her or Kematu and his band of Alikr? I think she is guilty but I like saving her and owning the Alikr

I turn her in because for some reason I think she's lying. I believe she sold the city out to the Dominion. I dunno, something about how she acts and the things she says rings warning bells in my head. So I always turn her in. /shrug

If she were a freedom fighter I'm pretty sure a strong willed person like that would have stayed around to continue the fight...

So I'm inclined to believe she's a traitor.

[jreese46]

Nguyên văn bởi fauxpas:

Nguyên văn bởi alexander_dougherty:

Actually if you care for justice, you realise there isn't enough verifiable evidence for either side and stay out of the whole sodding quest.... chances are; both sides are wrong.

Even if you believe there isn't enough evidence to outright declare Saadi a traitor and stick her head on a pike there is more than enough to warrant giving her to the redguard group for trial; the band of warriors whose odds of working with the Thalmor are laughably low.

Even if you believe there isn't enough evidence to outright declare Saadi a traitor and stick her head on a pike, it's fine to give her to them, so they can kill her before she even gets out of Whiterun. Seems like legit logic, if you care so much about justice that you aren't worried about trials before punishment.

[jreese46]

Nguyên văn bởi fauxpas:

Nguyên văn bởi Ihateeverybody:

We are just going to have to agree to disagree about all the reasons you are wrong.

That's fine, I've long since came to terms with the fact most people aren't versed in the lore surrounding various groups and common sense is rarer than hen teeth. 😇

Does this poultry sense by chance mention whether a uniformed Thalmor Justiciar marching up to the Alik'r and offering them a job is the only possible way in which one entity might, for whatever reason, seek to have some other entity do its dirty work? Never in the history of any fictional world, or the real world for that matter, has any entity ever employed cutouts and middlemen, in order to cause another entity to believe it is employed by someone else? So sayeth the hen?

[fauxpas]

Nguyên văn bởi jreese46:

Nguyên văn bởi fauxpas:

Even if you believe there isn't enough evidence to outright declare Saadi a traitor and stick her head on a pike there is more than enough to warrant giving her to the redguard group for trial; the band of warriors whose odds of working with the Thalmor are laughably low.

Even if you believe there isn't enough evidence to outright declare Saadi a traitor and stick her head on a pike, it's fine to give her to them, so they can kill her before she even gets out of Whiterun. Seems like legit logic, if you care so much about justice that you aren't worried about trials before punishment.

Don't confuse game mechanics for story; if they wanted to summary execute her they could have easily done so when the Dragonborn turned her over to them.

[Ihateeverybody]

Nguyên văn bởi jreese46:

Nguyên văn bởi fauxpas:

That's fine, I've long since came to terms with the fact most people aren't versed in the lore surrounding various groups and common sense is rarer than hen teeth. 😇

Does this poultry sense by chance mention whether a uniformed Thalmor Justiciar marching up to the Alik'r and offering them a job is the only possible way in which one entity might, for whatever reason, seek to have some other entity do its dirty work? Never in the history of any fictional world, or the real world for that matter, has any entity ever employed cutouts and middlemen, in order to cause another entity to believe it is employed by someone else? So sayeth the hen?

They've got this whole crown/forebear conspiracy thing that came aboot (SAY IT JUST LIKE THAT) in Redguard which took place around the beginning of the Third Era but somehow did not even get mentioned in Daggerfall (Takes place in the Latter half of the third era) which had as its big thing about Regional Politics.

In their defense, Redguard was made after Daggerfall.

But you know. That person with a Vergina had to have betrayed the city....cause...you know....Vergina's. Did I mention she has a vergina and so...if you have two people telling different stories...and one doesn't have a penis....well they're really not a person right?

I mean the Mercenaries hiding out with bandits and accosting people...sorry, things with vergina's out in the wilderness....just like you know, authorized bounty hunters are likely to do. Ask Kematu to show his bounty slip....wait he doesn't have one? Thats odd. When I do a bounty for a Jarl, I tend to get a bounty slip.

I am sure he just left it at home.....

Disclaimer: I thought long and hard about removing the vagina and penis comments. But Bro's before Ho's kinda pisses me off so...♥♥♥♥ it.

[fauxpas]

Nguyên văn bởi jreese46:

Nguyên văn bởi fauxpas:

That's fine, I've long since came to terms with the fact most people aren't versed in the lore surrounding various groups and common sense is rarer than hen teeth. 😇

Does this poultry sense by chance mention whether a uniformed Thalmor Justiciar marching up to the Alik'r and offering them a job is the only possible way in which one entity might, for whatever reason, seek to have some other entity do its dirty work? Never in the history of any fictional world, or the real world for that matter, has any entity ever employed cutouts and middlemen, in order to cause another entity to believe it is employed by someone else? So sayeth the hen?

Sure, but you always have to ask the all important question of 'why'.


As in why would the Thalmor play with false flags and cutouts with a group that historically is both hostile towards them and very good at killing thier agents in a province where they literally have free reign to drag citizens out of thier homes to murder and torture at whim, there is no reason for the Thalmor to ever use outside agents in Skyrim.

So yeah, still waiting for those teeth. 🤷‍♀️

[fauxpas]

Nguyên văn bởi Ihateeverybody:

Nguyên văn bởi jreese46:

Does this poultry sense by chance mention whether a uniformed Thalmor Justiciar marching up to the Alik'r and offering them a job is the only possible way in which one entity might, for whatever reason, seek to have some other entity do its dirty work? Never in the history of any fictional world, or the real world for that matter, has any entity ever employed cutouts and middlemen, in order to cause another entity to believe it is employed by someone else? So sayeth the hen?

They've got this whole crown/forebear conspiracy thing that came aboot (SAY IT JUST LIKE THAT) in Redguard which took place around the beginning of the Third Era but somehow did not even get mentioned in Daggerfall (Takes place in the Latter half of the third era) which had as its big thing about Regional Politics.

In their defense, Redguard was made after Daggerfall.

But you know. That person with a Vergina had to have betrayed the city....cause...you know....Vergina's. Did I mention she has a vergina and so...if you have two people telling different stories...and one doesn't have a penis....well they're really not a person right?

I mean the Mercenaries hiding out with bandits and accosting people...sorry, things with vergina's out in the wilderness....just like you know, authorized bounty hunters are likely to do. Ask Kematu to show his bounty slip....wait he doesn't have one? Thats odd. When I do a bounty for a Jarl, I tend to get a bounty slip.

I am sure he just left it at home.....

Disclaimer: I thought long and hard about removing the vagina and penis comments. But Bro's before Ho's kinda pisses me off so...♥♥♥♥ it.

Then aim that nonsense in the proper direction, one idiot said that and the two posters whose genders I know do not involve penises (me and lady e) both are inclined to disbelieve Saadi. 🙄

[jreese46]

They have free rein to drag citizens out of their homes, if the citizen is in the home at the time they arrive. It is...difficult...to drag someone who is not present at the time of dragging. Do you know when people are less likely to be in their homes for dragging convenience? When the would-be draggers are near-universally hated by the populace. It boils down to a simple "do we want to spend years and years just missing her, because people keep letting her know when we sniff around, or do we want to send one of our pocket Quislings to hire the Alik'r to go get her, ostensibly for the justice of whatever great house, after which said pocket Quisling will simply arrange for her to be taken by parties unknown, after which she will miraculously appear on our doorstep?

The elves have authority, but they do not have support, and despite their arrogance, they are not stupid.

[Ihateeverybody]

Nguyên văn bởi fauxpas:

Nguyên văn bởi jreese46:

Does this poultry sense by chance mention whether a uniformed Thalmor Justiciar marching up to the Alik'r and offering them a job is the only possible way in which one entity might, for whatever reason, seek to have some other entity do its dirty work? Never in the history of any fictional world, or the real world for that matter, has any entity ever employed cutouts and middlemen, in order to cause another entity to believe it is employed by someone else? So sayeth the hen?

Sure, but you always have to ask the all important question of 'why'.


As in why would the Thalmor play with false flags and cutouts with a group that historically is both hostile towards them and very good at killing thier agents in a province where they literally have free reign to drag citizens out of thier homes to murder and torture at whim, there is no reason for the Thalmor to ever use outside agents in Skyrim.

So yeah, still waiting for those teeth. 🤷‍♀️

Are you serious? Do you understand how espionage works? You think there is this big room with people planning things out and every thing is coordinated and sequenced?

No. You have compartmentalized groups. Those groups have specific agenda's. You have agents in those groups tasked with achieving those agendas. The heads of those groups are often in competion with the others. You honestly thing the AD are of one mind, one goal? Not in this era or any other. The group in charge of destableizing Hammerfell is certainly not going to ask (or likely receive) assistance from the Destableize Skyrim Group.

To get that assistance they have to go one level up and get the superior that is over both to approve it. That shows weakness and incompetance.

I can go on, but I think you get the point.

Edit: OH and if you honestly think the AD is giong to destroy existance to return to the blissful days of yore when they were free floating spirits of time and space....cmon....surely you don't believe they would give up what power they have...or that they would suceed if they did. The Daedra surely will not allow it because it hampers their plans.

All that rhetoric is for the plebes. They want what most everyone wants. To get the big chair for themselves.

[fauxpas]

Make that three as Lady A seems to also be inclined towards disbelieving her story... 🐉

[Ihateeverybody]

Uh huh....Your honor I submit my feelings into evidence........................

But your honor, they are strong feelings.

So just to be clear. If they agree with you ......no need for evidence or facts. Just say that. Just say it. I want you to say that third party feelings are proof of guilt.