"i FiNd SkYRiM's cOmBaT LaCKiNg."

[Ruenis]

Slit throats
Bow
Crossbow
Destruction Flame Fear
Destruction Freeze
Destruction Disintegrate
Conjuration Weapon (complete silence because weightless, but not silently cast unless you have silent casting)
Conjuration Minions + Double Minions
Illusion
Enchanting + Double Enchantments
Sword critical
Axe Bleed
Bow/Crossbow Paralyze
Dual-Wield
Power Attack
Mace Armor Ignore
One/Two-handed paralyze
Two-handed sweep
Melee run-and-smash
Decapitation Chance
Horse Mounted Combat
AI Partner Commandeering
Bloodskal Blade Energy Waves
Dragon Riding
"In Combat" State Cancelling
Damage Reflection
Damage Avoidance
Shield K.O.
Shield Disarm
Shield Slow Time
Sabotage (Reverse Pickpocket)
Killmove Finishers
Shouts (Knockdown, Launch, Freeze, Fear, Mind Control, slow time, Force-to-land, high speed attacking, heavenly wrath, several things I know I missed as well as things I intentionally left out because they were more obvious)
Werewolf
Vampire Lord

I just touched base on 35 different combat avenues in VANILLA Skyrim, and I didn't even bother with maneuverability with things like Whirlwind Sprint, or other basic amenities. I even straight up forgot some things.

~

The consensus that Skyrim is bad is unfailingly hilarious.

[Ruenis]

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Can't handle that I made a "bad" purchase decision in a thread full of people who own the same game I own. Right.

I never said Skyrim's combat was perfect. I said it's sufficient. For what they were going for, it is.

TES isn't Devil May Cry. You're not 360-ing mid-air with an electrified 3-ended nunchaku into giants or slapping mammoths with a motorcycle that's been split in half. But we have elysees' mods for the anime edgelord in all of us. Bethesda freedom wins again.

So, people would be a little less burnt if we could, say, charge our two-handers, and perform Act of Deliverance Dragon's Dogma style. Or shoot magic, seeking arrows. Or propel ourselves through the air.

You know what's absolutely hilarious about the "What SHOULD have been in Skyrim" crowd? The fact that if Skyrim were wholly defined like any other one of these linear video games with "better combat", it wouldn't even be as relevant as it is today. The more defined your product is, a.k.a. the more people know what it is, the less potential is has, i.e. the less it can be. Since Morrowind they've packaged their games with a glorified "level editor" in the "Creation Kit". Everyone cries "lazy", yet Skyrim apparently had enough to it to warrant 100K+ mods having been made for it. I'm guessing people think those modders were "obligated" to improve an "inherently bad" game rather than that they loved the utter mess out of it?

This thread is about Skyrim's combat, which is basic. If you've ever played a retro video game, and enjoyed it, you might appreciate basic infrastructure in video games. It's funny because it's not even entirely basic within it's basic makeup.

There isn't anything to "handle" about these responses other than that more "disparaged lovers" of Bethesda came to take the piss like they always do online, which I needn't 'handle' so much as they.

I'm humored.

Your main problem btw is your treating a subjective matter as a factual one. Video games are subjective. Not objective. As such. AS a subjective subject. There will be people who like the video game. There will be people who dislike the video game. There will be people who likes a part of a video game and there will be people who dislike parts of a video game.


And what you cant seem to handle is people not liking part of a video game. And there reasons for disliking it is just as valid as peoples reasons for liking it.


YOu can either learn to handle that concept or you can continue with ignorance like you been doing and have people see you as nothing more then another douche on the internet trying to stir up drama.


This is what you cant seem to handle.

I'm merely "fighting you".

I don't demand that anyone adopt my views. I'm not witchhunting anyone tonight for not deleting all their mods and playing Skyrim vanilla for the next 6 hours straight leveling two-handed to 100 lmao.

I'm of the disposition of "You do you, but I'm going to refute you each and every time, and you can eat it each and every time." If you want to stop "eating it", stop responding, because I'm not going to stop. Ever. Unless I'm clearly being trolled.

This isn't the Dark Ages. We were all free to join Steam, and we're all free to express our opinions. My opinion is that Skyrim's base combat is sufficient. Not perfect. Sufficient. Your opinion is that it's lacking. Your opinion is no more valid or invalid as mine is no more valid or invalid. I'm just going to fight you on it.

I've pretty much said my piece in my bullet point comment. That is how Skyrim's combat functions, sans what I left out. It apparently "Just works" enough for the game to have topped charts for 9 years. Irrelevant, perhaps, but this message board isn't, further validating my points by proxy lmfao.

Ciao.

[every1hasnames]

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every1hasnames lähetti viestin:

Your main problem btw is your treating a subjective matter as a factual one. Video games are subjective. Not objective. As such. AS a subjective subject. There will be people who like the video game. There will be people who dislike the video game. There will be people who likes a part of a video game and there will be people who dislike parts of a video game.


And what you cant seem to handle is people not liking part of a video game. And there reasons for disliking it is just as valid as peoples reasons for liking it.


YOu can either learn to handle that concept or you can continue with ignorance like you been doing and have people see you as nothing more then another douche on the internet trying to stir up drama.


This is what you cant seem to handle.

I'm merely "fighting you".

I don't demand that anyone adopt my views. I'm not witchhunting anyone tonight for not deleting all their mods and playing Skyrim vanilla for the next 6 hours straight leveling two-handed to 100 lmao.

I'm of the disposition of "You do you, but I'm going to refute you each and every time, and you can eat it each and every time." If you want to stop "eating it", stop responding, because I'm not going to stop. Ever. Unless I'm clearly being trolled.

This isn't the Dark Ages. We were all free to join Steam, and we're all free to express our opinions. My opinion is that Skyrim's base combat is sufficient. Not perfect. Sufficient. Your opinion is that it's lacking. Your opinion is no more valid or invalid as mine is no more valid or invalid. I'm just going to fight you on it.

I've pretty much said my piece in my bullet point comment. That is how Skyrim's combat functions, sans what I left out. It apparently "Just works" enough for the game to have topped charts for 9 years. Irrelevant, perhaps, but this message board isn't, further validating my points by proxy lmfao.

Ciao.

except your not doing you do you. Your not refuting your not even having an actual discussion. . YOur starting. YOu created the topic. Your didnt respond to someone.You saw people saying the combat lacks. And instead of talking to them in their topic.


You ranted on an entirely new topic. LIke a crazy person. We are the ones responding to you.

[lukandroll]

Two opposites opinions are the base of a discussion
Skyrim combat is fine, its simple without being lacking
I can't see Skyrim functioning like Devil May Cry

[Pizza Basil]

Swing swing or poof poof or pew and if you feel like getting crazy SWWWWING POOOOOOF

[Bob Obo]

I don't much like default Skyrim combat.

But...

I prefer it to Dark Souls combat. Hows that for an opinion everyone can hate? Also i sometimes put chilli sauce on ice-cream.

[Humpenstilzchen]

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Yawn... Oh look another one.

Says the private profile. Lol.

Only idiots write something like this, there is nothing wrong with having your profile on private

And to the topic yes combat is crap since it´s all automated and you only have to press one button.

If you want to see how really good combat is try kingdom come deliverance but don´t cry because it is to hard lol

[SpeedFreak1972]

Indeed having a private profile is a choice ... It might be even preferable I mean on some forums on STEAM it's even better... keep in mind that for the most of us Skyrim isn't the only game we play.

[Scyobi_Empire]

I corrected OP's post:
One handed
Two handed
Ranged
Magic
Followers (you do nothing)
Shouts
Poison/Sneak


The system is lacking you hit something until it dies, no dodge rolls, no limit on how long you can hold a bow and no difference between types of weapons aside from perks and speed.

[Amberbaum]

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Says the private profile. Lol.

Only idiots write something like this, there is nothing wrong with having your profile on private

And to the topic yes combat is crap since it´s all automated and you only have to press one button.

If you want to see how really good combat is try kingdom come deliverance but don´t cry because it is to hard lol

Yeah. Add to that that we can't even do normal bare basic attack moves like attacking while jumping. The combat in Skyrim is functional and ironed down to even appeal to nearly every gamer butt on this planet. That's when it became lacking and starts to loose appeal, because it became this broad mediocre thing.

What OP listed is just normal stuff that a good chunk of other games also have.

I like this game, but without blade & blunt or wildcat + mysticism + adamant + zone and loot overhauls I won't play it anymore. I just can't. It's like being constantly forced to create a new character, because everything falls into your lap and gets so easy that you can just blast yourself through the game rambo style. Who cares about shouts. You don't even need to use variety in vanilla, because you can just basically stick with one means to kill, level it up and beat everything to ♥♥♥♥ with it. No silver weapons or magic needed against ghosts or something like that. Resistance for enemies in vanilla skyrim is quite lacking.

[Ruenis]

Amberbaum lähetti viestin:

What OP listed is just normal stuff that a good chunk of other games also have.

And in due time, you have that all the video games out here start to look similar, and everyone essentially playing the same thing, in spirit, except Bethesda's formulas work for reasons beyond combat. That's veering off topic, but frankly I couldn't give a hoot.

I'm what you'd label as an "unpaid shill", and only for the fact that Bethesda deserves all the immense praise and attention they receive. There's your answer as to why I "can't handle" (lol) difference of opinion on Skyrim's combat (which isn't even the case, but hey, everyone here is drunk stupid on their DMC5 Vergil "Judgement Nut," so let's roll with it).

I argued the fine points of vanilla combat. Apparently, that isn't sufficient for the crowd that needs to raise their arms to High Hrothgar like Geralt of Rivia every time they swing a two-handed sword, push people over like Ezio Auditore, or just go full on clusterf❤ck like in the trailer for Crimson Desert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7SUenNZOoI

People desperately want to solidify that Skyrim is irredeemably boring and unsalvagable, and every time, it comes back into the conversation. I love it. It's been noted time and again that Bethesda as a whole is surrounded by consumers with "bad lover" syndrome, largely due to Skyrim, Fallout 4, and Fallout 76. People just can't get over that they won't resurrect Morrowind and Oblivion, where homage to Morrowind in Skyrim and expansions nodding to Oblivion in ESO simply aren't enough, let alone modders straight up dropping both titles into Skyrim's engine, because Skyrim can do nothing right. Or something.

You want a defined combat system. You want fluid motion. You want coding that is locked in, set, and defined. You want nothing to touch this sweet, precious coding, just as it doesn't in games like Dragon's Dogma or Assassin's Creed. You want a game that isn't even excessively moddable. Definition kills potential, to an extent. Open-endedness may allow for freedom. Bethesda knows how to make such open-endedness result in a stupid level of freedom, hence the inclusion of modding tools alongside their recent titles.

All I'm saying, is that Skyrim's combat isn't that terrible. But in this day & age, people are overly critical of most things. I'd be more sympathetic if your game was bugged to hell to the point of not even being able to connect blows, position your character, or even have functions result in the intended outcomes. You'd think Skyrim was a T-pose ridden asset flip with how you folks come off...

~

Anyway, good afternoon.

[Mr. Raider]

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people are overly critical of most things.

This, has been you, the whole time. You, have been overly critical of everyone, without even considering their point ov view, trying to defend your point in a most immature way. I thought you were trolling, but it turns out you're just an hypocrite.

[Amberbaum]

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- snip-

What the hell was even all that? You don't really listen to what anyone says and then you have the gall to put words into other people's mouth to the point where you come of as purposfully obtuse. You don't even really talk about the combat itself, you talk about the things around it to prove a point about Skyrims combat in a very strong over emotional manner. Listing of random numbers and citing other games.

I never player the witcher by the way. Or any Assassins Creed title.

I talked about the combat, because that's what the thread is about that you created. Everyone else talked about the combat, the only one who mentioned different things is you.

You don't even respect the opinion of others, who clearly stated why they aren't that fond of Skyrim's combat. Accusing them of something like "bad lover" syndrome and that Skyrim can't do good for everyone of us. Well we play it, don't we? How about we just don't like this aspect and maybe a couple of other things too. But otherwise like it? Then you tell me that I don't want a highly modable game. Just shut up. You pulled so many things out of your arse, based on the comments I wrote.

Like why the hell did you even open up a thread in the first place? You come of as a troll. This is stupid.

[amathy]

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People desperately want to solidify that Skyrim is irredeemably boring and unsalvagable, and every time, it comes back into the conversation.

Believing the combat is one dimensional and "lacking" =/= believing Skyrim is irredeemably boring
Skyrim can be fun, and it can also have poor combat, these things aren't mutually exclusive
I've spent over 1k hours playing Skyrim but I'm not going to pretend most of my fights aren't left click, walk backwards, left click, walk backwards, left click, walk backwards

[lukandroll]

amathy oniichan uwu lähetti viestin:

I've spent over 1k hours playing Skyrim but I'm not going to pretend most of my fights aren't left click, walk backwards, left click, walk backwards, left click, walk backwards

Warrior gameplay can be that, but only if you want
Archer, rogue, and mage gameplay are completely different

[hellatze]

Pride lähetti viestin:

Slit throats
Bow
Crossbow
Destruction Flame Fear
Destruction Freeze
Destruction Disintegrate
Conjuration Weapon (complete silence because weightless, but not silently cast unless you have silent casting)
Conjuration Minions + Double Minions
Illusion
Enchanting + Double Enchantments
Sword critical
Axe Bleed
Bow/Crossbow Paralyze
Dual-Wield
Power Attack
Mace Armor Ignore
One/Two-handed paralyze
Two-handed sweep
Melee run-and-smash
Decapitation Chance
Horse Mounted Combat
AI Partner Commandeering
Bloodskal Blade Energy Waves
Dragon Riding
"In Combat" State Cancelling
Damage Reflection
Damage Avoidance
Shield K.O.
Shield Disarm
Shield Slow Time
Sabotage (Reverse Pickpocket)
Killmove Finishers
Shouts (Knockdown, Launch, Freeze, Fear, Mind Control, slow time, Force-to-land, high speed attacking, heavenly wrath, several things I know I missed as well as things I intentionally left out because they were more obvious)
Werewolf
Vampire Lord

I just touched base on 35 different combat avenues in VANILLA Skyrim, and I didn't even bother with maneuverability with things like Whirlwind Sprint, or other basic amenities. I even straight up forgot some things.

~

The consensus that Skyrim is bad is unfailingly hilarious.

okay