Is Nemesis worth it?

[☧ Voievod]

Anyone here using Nemesis Unlimited Behavior Engine and could tell me if its worth using it for combat animations and other custom animations? I see it has tons of errors and cba to deal with that.

[alexander_dougherty]

It's a coin toss between it and FNIS, both have issues, both have mods that don't play nice and mods that rely upon it.

Basdically research your mods, see if any don't work with Nemesis or FNIS, see if any work but have issues with either one, and see if any rely upon one or the other.... if you have a split between mods that need one and mods that need the other, choose which mods are more important and clear the rest (starting a new game of course)..... otherwise toss a coin.

[AllergicToBrainRot]

If i;m not wrong, nemesis has it's downsides- it doesn't support some animations. It has a animation numbers limit. FNis and nemesis conflict with each other. I personally like nemesis abit more than fnis because when i use fnis- makes my pc poop itself. Making things flash. Taking abit longer to read the animations when i don't have soo much. Nemesis takes afew seconds without making my pc act up. It's strange. People make some pretty good animations for nemesis and for it's nemesis PCEA (animations only for your character) Of coruse i need fnis ON for xp32 to work. I think i read i could make a dummy fnis plugin so xp32 will still work.

[alexander_dougherty]

Silent Ops の投稿を引用：

If i;m not wrong, nemesis has it's downsides- it doesn't support some animations. It has a animation numbers limit. FNis and nemesis conflict with each other.

Both have downsides, OP just needs to decide which downside impacts them less. And yes they conflict, two mods doing the same thing usually will conflict

[CaptainR3x]

I think there's no reason to NOT switch, Nemesis does everything that FNIS does without performance loss.

FNIS has a limit of 6000 animations that can be pushed to ~10000 but not very stable, Nemesis can output 15000 animations without issue (but in all my years playing Skyrim i've never went above 10000)

I already said it but Nemesis is written in a way that reduce potential performance losses

Also Nemesis is still being developped where FNIS has been abandoned

When a modder make a mods with new animations, the only person able to make a
compatibility patch between animations mod is Fore (the creator of FNIS), but since he retired it's impossible to improve compatibility between mod (for exemple TUDM and ultimate combat). With Nemesis the modder can make compatibility himself, for you it mean more animations mods and more stablity

But now the REAL reason you might switch is that quality mods like CGO or The Ultimate Dodge mods or Character Behaviors only support Nemesis, and more are probably comming, I'm sure that in the future Nemesis will be the only one being used. So it really depend on what you want but keep this in mind :

There's virtually no downside using Nemesis over FNIS, the only downside is the 5min it's going to take to install it and run it, but at least with it you are guaranted to run every future animation mods, I've seen everything the nexus has to offer and never saw one mod that doesn't support nemesis

The only animations that are not supported by Nemesis are creature animations, there's only 2 mods that does it on the nexus : Ultimate combat and Ultimate Dragon, and both are working on Nemesis, the other creature animations mod out there are from adult mods...

Also side note : Nemesis doesn't scan your computer for programs you've installed and refuse to run if it finds something that its author doesn't like (Which FNIS does)
Sry for potential bad English but I hoped it helped :)

[☧ Voievod]

But is it worth using any of them? Do the mods that require them overhaul the game in such a way that they should be must have?

[CaptainR3x]

✠ ReichsPanther の投稿を引用：

But is it worth using any of them? Do the mods that require them overhaul the game in such a way that they should be must have?

Short answer from my opinion, Skyrim combat is very outdated and CGO and other mods make the combat like any modern RPG (Dark soul, witcher...) and make it more skill based than stat based. Which mean you can take on more powerful foes assuming you are skilled enough with your dodge and parry. And it just make it more enjoyable.
There's even a mods called "Attack Behavior revamped" that add combos

And with the TONS of animation compatible you can turn your character into anything, from a skilled knight to a savage barbarian.
Of all the mods out there combat mod are the one revamping the most the Skyrim experience imo

So Yes

[☧ Voievod]

but CGO doesn't require either FNIS or Nemesis right?

[CaptainR3x]

✠ ReichsPanther の投稿を引用：

but CGO doesn't require either FNIS or Nemesis right?

From the CGO mod page : "FNIS is not compatible with CGO"
It only work with nemesis

[jreese46]

I like the idea of it, because I have been wanting to use some of the nicer animation mods, but I play in 1p most times, so the 3p only don't do me much good. I started looking at Nemesis when I read that it could help with using 3p animations in 1p, but I never got past the bug and comments sections. It may turn out to be worth it, but I'm not ready to pay the headache price, to find out.

[CaptainR3x]

jreese46 の投稿を引用：

I like the idea of it, because I have been wanting to use some of the nicer animation mods, but I play in 1p most times, so the 3p only don't do me much good. I started looking at Nemesis when I read that it could help with using 3p animations in 1p, but I never got past the bug and comments sections. It may turn out to be worth it, but I'm not ready to pay the headache price, to find out.

Well there's always this mod : https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/45177

First person animation, no headache just click and install

[smr1957]

CaptainR3x の投稿を引用：

jreese46 の投稿を引用：

I like the idea of it, because I have been wanting to use some of the nicer animation mods, but I play in 1p most times, so the 3p only don't do me much good. I started looking at Nemesis when I read that it could help with using 3p animations in 1p, but I never got past the bug and comments sections. It may turn out to be worth it, but I'm not ready to pay the headache price, to find out.

Well there's always this mod : https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/45177

First person animation, no headache just click and install

And that mod is First Person Combat Animations Overhaul 2.0 -SIZE MATTERS (really people, post the name of the mod and not just the link!)
No, because that mod also requires Dynamic Animation Replacer (which requires Address Library and SKSE64) - not to mention it is only 1st person animations and nothing else, so doesn't do anything for any other type of animations (which may be used by NPCs).

[Vlad 254]

✠ ReichsPanther の投稿を引用：

Anyone here using Nemesis Unlimited Behavior Engine and could tell me if its worth using it for combat animations and other custom animations? I see it has tons of errors and cba to deal with that.

I'm testing it now and I would say that this mod is most likely the future, especially with the open source. On one hand I would say give it some time, but that depends on how deep you want your animation set-up to be. The mod is barely in Beta so yes, it does have some issues but the author seems determined.

I've also seen a guide on how to use both (Nemesis/FNIS) together. I would not recommend that unless you are very experienced in modding.

Finally I would say that many of the new animation mods are depending on DAR (which of course also can be used with Nemesis) so there's that.

Bottom line: it's early, like I said barely in Beta.

Edit: Nemesis currently does not support Creature Animations
other than that it supports everything FNIS does and more.

I would like to add that FNIS has served us well for almost 8 years. Let it go out with dignity. Fore deserves that much.

[Beef Hammer]

I'm just finishing up another fresh modded game myself, switched to Nemesis this time around. They are pretty similar, it seems like more mods are moving toward Nemesis over fnis, and CGO worked with no issues as well.

[alexander_dougherty]

CaptainR3x の投稿を引用：

Also Nemesis is still being developped where FNIS has been abandoned

FNIS has NOT been abandoned, this is disingenuous at the best, and outright slander at the worst.

The author of FNIS has passed it on to a new author and is still fully supported.

[☧ Voievod]

So in order to use CGO do I need Nemesis? or it works without it too?