What happened to the dwemers？

[max]

I have not play any old tes games but all I gathered in skyrim is they disappeared overnight, don't even know what they look like, they have such unique art style and weapons, shame I can't find anything about em

[ihoujin.]

There's alot of infromation about them in books and such throughout all the games. As for their look, they're elves so you can expect their look to be along the lines of all the other elven races and not mistake them for dwarves from other fantasy francieses. It was the giants who started calling them dwarves cause to them, they kind of were. But there is no real confirmed information about what happened to them. But it's believed they got sucked in to an Oblivion pocket realm as a punishment after tinkering with the heart of Lorkhan.

[fauxpas]

The short answer is that nobody actually knows what happened to them; with theories ranging from ascending beyond existence, "zero-summimg" (basically imperfect retroactive self deletion from reality), to merging with thier artificially created God as its living metallic skin.


Now, although I believe the original intend was that they zero-summed themselves out of reality, I have no doubt Beth will retcon the issue and bring them back at some point when they run out of ideas.

[FauxFurry]

Read in-game texts such as Nerevar at Red Mountain to come to your own conclusion as to what their fate was. Not even talking to the last Dwemer in Morrowind sheds much light on the situation.

[Liquid Inc]

AFAIK, they messed with the heart of lorkhan, and they disappeared. Maybe they are still in the ruins of their cities, just invisible and unable to interact with the world

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย ihoujin.:

But it's believed they got sucked in to an Oblivion pocket realm as a punishment after tinkering with the heart of Lorkhan.

thats the way i look at it after reading the books, but could they actually still be in that pocket realm trying to advance their knowledge and research? Have they ended up enslaved by some deadric lord as servants?

Maybe one day we'll find out what Bethesda's intended story for them was... maybe...

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย ihoujin.:

As for their look, they're elves so you can expect their look to be along the lines of all the other elven races and not mistake them for dwarves from other fantasy francieses. It was the giants who started calling them dwarves cause to them, they kind of were.

when i first saw the word dwarves when i first started playing TeS, i instantly thought of a short fat guy with a pickaxe and a beer Ofcourse, they arent that at all!
Funnily enough though, they might be elves, but they could still have been short fat elves, right? XD

[fauxpas]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Liquid Inc:

Funnily enough though, they might be elves, but they could still have been short fat elves, right? XD

No, we know what they looked like.

[FauxFurry]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Liquid Inc:

AFAIK, they messed with the heart of lorkhan, and they disappeared. Maybe they are still in the ruins of their cities, just invisible and unable to interact with the world

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย ihoujin.:

But it's believed they got sucked in to an Oblivion pocket realm as a punishment after tinkering with the heart of Lorkhan.

thats the way i look at it after reading the books, but could they actually still be in that pocket realm trying to advance their knowledge and research? Have they ended up enslaved by some deadric lord as servants?

Maybe one day we'll find out what Bethesda's intended story for them was... maybe...

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย ihoujin.:

As for their look, they're elves so you can expect their look to be along the lines of all the other elven races and not mistake them for dwarves from other fantasy francieses. It was the giants who started calling them dwarves cause to them, they kind of were.

when i first saw the word dwarves when i first started playing TeS, i instantly thought of a short fat guy with a pickaxe and a beer Ofcourse, they arent that at all!
Funnily enough though, they might be elves, but they could still have been short fat elves, right? XD

They were short compared to the Giants hence they came to be known as Dwarves.

[Bored Peon]

Well TES considers orcs to be elves too... ...so ..um.. ..ya.
At that point the only thing that aint an elf is a human or giant.

[Valden21]

Like fauxpas said, we don't really know what happened to them. There's a lot of theories out there, but none of them have any solid evidence backing them up. the only real concrete knowledge we have is that they disappeared all at once, it happened at the Battle of Red Mountain, and that the Heart of Lorkhan and Kagrenac's Tools were somehow involved. Everything else, ranging from what exactly happened to why it happened, is pretty much hearsay.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย fauxpas:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Liquid Inc:

Funnily enough though, they might be elves, but they could still have been short fat elves, right? XD

No, we know what they looked like.

True. The main quest in TES III: Morrowind has you meeting with the very last Dwemer alive, and one of its expansions has you chatting with the ghost of another Dwemer. So we do know what their appearance was.

[KNDY | No Toxicity!]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bored Peon:

Well TES considers orcs to be elves too... ...so ..um.. ..ya.
At that point the only thing that aint an elf is a human or giant.

Ye. Men and Mer.

[fauxpas]

Don't forget about the poor Beastfolk.

[KNDY | No Toxicity!]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย fauxpas:

Don't forget about the poor Beastfolk.

Ah often forget about them because they're always Elsweyr..

[Von Faustien]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย KNDY:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย fauxpas:

Don't forget about the poor Beastfolk.

Ah often forget about them because they're always Elsweyr..

do those found Elsweyr really count given both bosmer and Khajjit were made from the same primordial shape shifting chaos spawn? if bosmer count as real mer than so Khajjit i mean they even told Penial that were the desert dwelling Notmer right before he went elf slayer on them.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bored Peon:

Well TES considers orcs to be elves too... ...so ..um.. ..ya.
At that point the only thing that aint an elf is a human or giant.

orcs being corupted elves has been a thing since that British literature professor tried to write Britain a mythology centered around magic jewelry. So orcs being elves isn't that weird

[Von Faustien]

Alright new theory.

well mucking with heart rather than become one with numdium, get banished to another plane or zerosum they accidentally summoned 2 of Lorkhauns mortal avatars namely Peniel whitestrike and Ysgramor who proceaded to do what they did to the Ayliads and Falmer to the dwemer.

but seriously between them and Tiber septim nuking Alinor with Numidum a lot of Lorkhauns mortal incarnations wiping out elves in mass seems to be a reoccurring theme. so maybe a bunch of elves poking his heart isnt a smart plan.

[Valden21]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Von Faustien:

Alright new theory.

well mucking with heart rather than become one with numdium, get banished to another plane or zerosum they accidentally summoned 2 of Lorkhauns mortal avatars namely Peniel whitestrike and Ysgramor who proceaded to do what they did to the Ayliads and Falmer to the dwemer.

but seriously between them and Tiber septim nuking Alinor with Numidum a lot of Lorkhauns mortal incarnations wiping out elves in mass seems to be a reoccurring theme. so maybe a bunch of elves poking his heart isnt a smart plan.

But if that's true, then why didn't it happen when the Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur? That required destroying the Heart of Lorkhan.

[Von Faustien]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Valden21:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Von Faustien:

Alright new theory.

well mucking with heart rather than become one with numdium, get banished to another plane or zerosum they accidentally summoned 2 of Lorkhauns mortal avatars namely Peniel whitestrike and Ysgramor who proceaded to do what they did to the Ayliads and Falmer to the dwemer.

but seriously between them and Tiber septim nuking Alinor with Numidum a lot of Lorkhauns mortal incarnations wiping out elves in mass seems to be a reoccurring theme. so maybe a bunch of elves poking his heart isnt a smart plan.

But if that's true, then why didn't it happen when the Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur? That required destroying the Heart of Lorkhan.

simple the nevernerine destroyed the heart to kill dagoth ur an elf and in doing so preformed gods(lorkhuans) work and used his power its intended purpose.

for is it not worth the destruction of your heart if it serves the greater purpose of kill arrogant mer?