Another Sleeping Giant CTD Thread

[Glamdring376]

cleaned all the dirty mods with LOOT, always crashes during loading, only things i can do now are ask here and trial and error my way through every mod which will be an absolute ballache.

Here's my load order, if anyone sees whats making it go wrong, awesome

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 RSkyrimChildren.esm
6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
7 7 SexLab.esm
8 8 ApachiiHairFemales.esm
9 9 ApachiiHair.esm
10 a ApachiiHairMales.esm
11 b Femboy Reborn -Base-.esm
12 c Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
254 FE 0 AHZmoreHUDInventory.esl
13 d OSA.esm
14 e FlowerGirls SE.esm
15 f BBLuxurySuite.esm
16 10 RaceCompatibility.esm
17 11 ZaZAnimationPack.esm
18 12 Deep_Elf_Race.esm
19 13 UndergroundBathhouse.esm
20 14 SkyUI_SE.esp
21 15 Immersive Wenches.esp
22 16 ERF - Futanari CBBE - Equippable.esp
23 17 SOS - ERF - Futanari CBBE - Addon.esp
24 18 Male Femboy Expansion.esp
25 19 CBBE.esp
26 1a 3PCO.esp
27 1b Cosmic Spells.esp
28 1c Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
29 1d AdventurerFlintlockPack.esp
30 1e FNIS.esp
31 1f SL_Hedonism.esp
32 20 KS Hairdo's.esp
33 21 The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
34 22 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
35 23 UIExtensions.esp
36 24 AddItemMenuSE.esp
37 25 Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp
bofp.esp
fpsboost.esp
38 26 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
39 27 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
40 28 Beards.esp
41 29 MagicalCollegeofWinterhold.esp
42 2a Cutting Room Floor.esp
43 2b RSC CRF Patch.esp
44 2c Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
45 2d BBLS_SKSE64_Patch.esp
46 2e Helgen Reborn.esp
47 2f Femboy Reborn -Helgen Reborn-.esp
48 30 DwemerColosseum.esp
49 31 HearthfireMultiKid.esp
50 32 RomanceOfNPCs.esp
51 33 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
52 34 ub_cell_bedroom.esp
53 35 ub_cell_dislayroom.esp
54 36 ub_cell_darkarea.esp
55 37 ub_cell_cavern.esp
56 38 ub_cell_maintenance_room.esp
57 39 ub_cell_kitchen.esp
58 3a point the way.esp
59 3b Populated Lands Roads Paths Legendary.esp
60 3c ub_cell_teleportroom.esp
61 3d TheChoiceIsYours.esp
62 3e Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp
63 3f DragonsKeep.esp
254 FE 1 TCIY_CRF_Patch.esp
254 FE 2 ICWU Reborn.esp
64 40 Femboy Reborn -Immersive Armors-.esp
65 41 RSChildren.esp
66 42 LazyBodyEdit.esp
67 43 LazyItemEdit.esp
68 44 LazyCBP.esp
69 45 Inigo.esp
70 46 LostValley.esp
71 47 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
72 48 SofiaFollower.esp
phenderix magic evolved.esp
73 49 Skysan_BBLSBeds.esp
74 4a AP Skyrim SE.esp
75 4b LazyHeels.esp
76 4c Customizable Camera.esp
77 4d Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp
78 4e Predator Vision.esp
79 4f Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp
80 50 AetheriumSwordsnArmor.esp
254 FE 3 More Aetherium.esp
81 51 mihailesocenturion.esp
82 52 Deep_Elf_Extra_Automatons.esp
83 53 SofiaJadeOverhaul.esp
84 54 MiraakFollower.esp
85 55 Phenderix Magic World.esp
86 56 Phenderix Skyrim In-Game Editor.esp
87 57 Deep_Elf_Followers.esp
88 58 FlowerGirls SE - Adventures.esp
89 59 SlaversKeep.esp
90 5a TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp
91 5b notice board.esp
92 5c SOS - Shop.esp
93 5d Luxury Suite Armory.esp
94 5e ForgottenCity.esp
95 5f Kinky Inn.esp
96 60 FlyDrag.esp
97 61 Recorder Follower Base.esp
98 62 Femboy Reborn -Patches-.esp
99 63 Recorder Follower Patch.esp
100 64 ub_cell_armory.esp
101 65 ub_adoption_hearthfire_extention.esp
102 66 ub_tapestry.esp
254 FE 4 Underground Bathhouse and Paradise Valley [6.09a] Save Patch.esp
103 67 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
254 FE 5 DisableFollowerStarterBow.esp
104 68 Ark_PantherCompanion.esp
105 69 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
106 6a DaxafaganSpells.esp
107 6b ub_bbls_merge.esp
108 6c BBLSmusic.esp
109 6d Follower Map Marker Beacon SSE.esp
110 6e BVLT - Deep Elf.esp
111 6f Recorder - JKs Skyrim Patch.esp
112 70 Serana.esp
113 71 My Home Is Your Home.esp
114 72 DudestiaMultiMarriages.esp
115 73 Aethernautics.esp
116 74 BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp
117 75 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
118 76 ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp
119 77 LycHairstyler.esp
120 78 SOSRaceMenu.esp
121 79 RichMerchantsSkyrim_x10.esp
122 7a LABikiniSSE.esp
123 7b Armored_Greybeard_Robes_v1_1.esp
124 7c CarryWeight x100.esp
125 7d SOS - Deep Elf Addon.esp
126 7e P1FlyingRing.esp
127 7f NoRadialBlur.esp
254 FE 6 Ostim.esp
128 80 FlowerGirls SE - Bathing Beauties Patch.esp
129 81 Deep_Elf_Nubbin_Mode.esp
130 82 RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
131 83 ub_apachii_hair.esp
132 84 EbonyBlade1Handed.esp
133 85 Ebony Mage Armor.esp
134 86 InfiniteShoutsTalosShrine.esp
135 87 EbonyArchmageArmorLagrie.esp
136 88 BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
137 89 Deep_Elf_Carry_Weight_Patch.esp
138 8a cheat room.esp
139 8b Apocalypse - Cheat Chests.esp
140 8c ub_invite_any_npc.esp
141 8d Cinematic Dragon Soul Absorbtion.esp
142 8e sandboxcylinderheight.esp
143 8f Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
144 90 FNIS_PCEA2.esp
145 91 FNISFlyer.esp
146 92 FNISSexyMove.esp
147 93 FNISspells.esp
148 94 LycHairstylerFG.esp
149 95 RaceMenu.esp
150 96 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
151 97 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
152 98 XPMSE.esp
153 99 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
154 9a anyonefollows2.esp
155 9b Skyrim Sizes.esp
156 9c SeeEnchs.esp
254 FE 7 Animated Wings Ultimate.esp
Deep_Elf_Ordinator_Patch.esp
157 9d RSC Forgotten City Patch.esp
158 9e Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
159 9f BBLS-ASLAL.esp
160 a0 Open Cities Skyrim.esp
161 a1 Phenderix OCS Patch.esp
162 a2 Recorder - OCS Patch.esp
163 a3 WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp

dont judge me by my tastes i know im into weird shiz

[Ozymandias]

Seems you have a few inactive mods. You didn't disable them mid playthrough, right?
Other than that, have you used xEdit to check for conflicts? Cause even the correct load order might not be good enough.

[fauxpas]

No, I'm totally judging you. 😹

Anyways, first things first, unless the mod author tells you to clean a mod you NEVER do it, only clean the masters.

So that means that you need to rebuild your mod list from scratch in order to properly troubleshoot the issue, which will make testing the crash as you add the mods one or two at a time managable.

[Glamdring376]

Originally posted by Ozymandias:

Seems you have a few inactive mods. You didn't disable them mid playthrough, right?
Other than that, have you used xEdit to check for conflicts? Cause even the correct load order might not be good enough.

Checking for conflicts now, new to xEdit, hope it works, also no mid game disabling

[Glamdring376]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

No, I'm totally judging you. 😹

Anyways, first things first, unless the mod author tells you to clean a mod you NEVER do it, only clean the masters.

So that means that you need to rebuild your mod list from scratch in order to properly troubleshoot the issue, which will make testing the crash as you add the mods one or two at a time managable.

I read to clean mods that Loot says to clean, oh goody, glad thats wrong

[Vlad 254]

Originally posted by daniellancaster114:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

No, I'm totally judging you. 😹

Anyways, first things first, unless the mod author tells you to clean a mod you NEVER do it, only clean the masters.

So that means that you need to rebuild your mod list from scratch in order to properly troubleshoot the issue, which will make testing the crash as you add the mods one or two at a time managable.

I read to clean mods that Loot says to clean, oh goody, glad thats wrong

Loot is a great tool (by the way Vortex has it built in) but not the end all cure all especially when it comes to cleaning. You're rebuilding the game so you'll have to do some legwork like double checking the mod page to see if Loot is correct when it says to clean a mod. You just may find the mod author posted on their mod page to not clean it. Loot is as good as the information it's given and as I said it's pretty darn good.

Same with Load order as Loot is right most of the time but the mod page may tell you different in a few cases. Not many but it takes one to mess up your game so until you get to know your mods you need to double check everything, but even then keep an eye for updates. That's modding, we are all human. We do the best we can which from where I sit the modding community is phenomenal.

[smr1957]

daniel, you are not the first (far from it) and will certainly not be the last (that's a damn certainty) who sees what LOOT says re cleaning and does it; or, for that matter, hears or reads or sees something that they "should" do and does it, only to find out it is totally wrong. But that is all part of learning to mod, and is not at all unusual - so just view these things as learning opportunities. An excellent source of definitive information on many aspects of the game can be found in the pinned topic Helpful Links and References - but it is a resource, not necessarily something to sit down and read completely through in one go (unless you suffer from insomnia and require a sleeping aid). And, often, links contained in it will be posted in the forums - as with the below.

With regard to LOOT and the whole cleaning issue, see these:
LOOT Advisory Re: Cleaning Mods
https://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/1693795812306776189/

What are dirty edits and what are their consequences - a post by Nazenn
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/485622866435280490/?ctp=11#c353915309341216776

Also, start small and take it slow - just add a few mods at a time, test, and then play for a while to ensure there are no issues - don't fall into the trap of adding a bunch of mods and then trying to play. And, very important!!! For most mods, once they are added, they cannot be removed and play continued on that save - you have to roll back to a save made before that removed/disabled mod was installed, or start a new game - absolutely no ifs, ands, or buts about it. So make sure you make a manual save before adding anything, and save often (manually) while playing. (For why you cannot remove/disable mods midplaythrough, see: You CANNOT Remove Mods Mid-Playthrough - http://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/1520386297681801135/ )

If you have any questions, or are unsure of something, just ask in the forum first - it is easier to prevent a problem than it is to fix one - especially where Skyrim is concerned.

Finally, even if you start things small and take it slow, and do this, that, the other - all the things needed to ensure that your build works, you may STILL run into issue. When and if you do, it will be time to troubleshoot your build. To troubleshoot your build, first, to test, turning off mods is not the way to go - any bad info may have been baked into the save. The way to test is to start off with a vanilla save (or a save that only has the mods you absolutely know are safe) - one made where the issues occur so it is easy to test - and then add in groups of mods till you find the one causing the issue - making a manual save each time so you can roll back when the issues occurs and zero in on the specific mod. And although that may be time consuming, often it is far better and quicker using that systematic approach than trying to guess willy-nilly which mod it is (unless one of us happens to spot a mod we know is a problem when you post a load order).

Second, once you do find which mod is causing the issue, and have removed it, you cannot continue using the same save, again due to how Skyrim bakes data into the save (and this data CANNOT be removed - despite what some may say). You must either go back to a save made prior to having installed the removed/disabled mod, or start a new game. There is no other option - unless the mod is one of the exceptions mentioned in the discussion linked above regarding you cannot remove mod midplaythrough.

And, last but not least, the main idea of the game is to play it and have fun - don't try to do too much if it detracts from your enjoyment of the game itself.

So, last I'll say - Good luck and have fun!