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[Ghastly]

Ex. the messages you get from alternate start when you interact with door or bed

All of these messages turn up blank when I have more than 150 plugins, not including light plugins.

[ihoujin.]

Include the actual load order you have and it'll be easier for people to help you locate the problem.

[Uncle64]

Remove the black crap from your loadorder so it will be possible to read it.

[Ghastly]

00 Skyrim.esm
01 Update.esm
02 Dawnguard.esm
03 Hearthfires.esm
04 Dragonborn.esm
05 ccBGSSSE010-PetDwarvenArmoredMudcrab.esl
06 ccBGSSSE035-PetNHound.esl
07 ccBGSSSE036-PetBWolf.esl
08 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp [Version 4.2.3]
09 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
0A FISS.esp
0B BSAssets.esm
0C LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
0D MoreColorfulCritters.esp
0E 3DNPC.esp [Version 4.3.6]
0F BSHeartland.esm
10 AKSkyrimUnderground.esm
11 DA_Skyship.esm
12 BS_DLC_patch.esp
13 Falskaar.esm
14 JSwordsD.esm [Version 14.0]
15 Gray Fox Cowl.esm
16 Vigilant.esm
17 DBM_CC_HallOfWonders.esp
18 Wyrmstooth.esp [Version 1.18]
19 UHDAP - MusicHQ.esp
1A AHZmoreHUDInventory.esl [Version 1.0.14]
1B UHDAP - en0.esp
1C UHDAP - en1.esp
1D UHDAP - en2.esp
1E UHDAP - en3.esp
1F UHDAP - en4.esp
20 FloraRespawnFix.esp
21 SkyUI_SE.esp
22 Butterflies.esp
23 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
24 Beyond Skyrim Distribution - 3DNPCs Patch.esp
25 DBM_CC_HOWRacksAddon.esp
26 DepthsOfSkyrim.esp
27 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
28 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
29 Snazzy Furniture and Clutter Overhaul.esp
2A HD Quill of Germination - Dark.esp
2B JKs Skyrim.esp
2C Immersive Jewelry.esp [Version 1.05]
2D Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp [Version v6.6a]
2E SFCO - LotD Patch.esp
2F Dawn of Skyrim.esp
30 JKs Skyrim_Dawn of Skyrim_Patch.esp
31 DBM_BSHeartlandPatch.esp
32 Themarshlands.esp
33 yumcheese.esp
34 Helgen Reborn.esp [Version 106]
35 Eli_Breezehome.esp
36 RelicsofHyruleDragonborn.esp
37 WZTamrielic Culture.esp
38 Reliquary of Myth.esp
39 Vigilant Voiced.esp
3A MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
3B Undeath.esp
3C MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp
3D SFCO - Immersive College of Winterhold Patch.esp
3E Guards_Armor_Replacer.esp
3F Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
40 Point The Way.esp [Version 2.0.6]
41 moonpath.esp
42 Moonpath Navmesh Fix.esp
43 JK's Dragonsreach.esp
44 JRMoonpathtoElsweyrPatch.esp
45 ZIA_Complete Pack.esp
46 Clockwork.esp
47 DBM_RelicNotifications.esp
48 LOTD_TCC_Bruma.esp
49 SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp
4A Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp
4B 0Kaidan.esp
4C DBM_3DNPC_Patch.esp
4D SkyrimSewers.esp [Version 4.14]
4E The Brotherhood of Old.esp
4F Dwarfsphere.esp [Version 2]
50 DwarfsphereImprovedPatch.esp
51 TSR_TeldrynSerious.esp
52 Cloaks.esp
53 OBIS SE.esp
54 OBIS Loot SE.esp
55 Immersive Weapons.esp
56 PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
57 SL01AmuletsSkyrim.esp
58 Inigo.esp
59 NarrativeLoot Complete.esp
5A DBM_GuardsArmorReplacer_Patch.esp
5B LOTD_TCC_GuardArm.esp
5C DBM_AmuletsOfSkyrim_Patch.esp
5D LOTD_TCC_Amulets.esp
5E Amulets of Skyrim - Tweaks and Fixes.esp
5F TreasureHunter.esp
60 OutlawsRefuges.esp
61 Artifacts.esp
62 WZOblivionArtifacts.esp
63 DBM_MannequinMadness_Addon.esp
64 DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp
65 MoreColorfulSceneryJars.esp
66 DBM_OblivionArtifacts_Patch.esp
67 LOTD_TCC_OblivionArt.esp
68 018Auri.esp
69 MapleManor.esp
6A JK's The Bannered Mare.esp
6B HearthfireMultiKid.esp
6C DBM_JKSkyrim_DawnOfSkyrimDC_Patch.esp
6D Mystic Condenser.esp
6E DivineCloaks.esp
6F konahrik_accoutrements.esp
70 BGCollectables.esp
71 DaedricCloaks.esp
72 Immersive Patrols II.esp
73 NewArmoury.esp
74 Bloodworm.esp
75 DBM_MoreColorfulCritters_Patch.esp
76 JKs Skyrim_OutlawsRefuges_Patch.esp
77 ReachMage.esp
78 DBM_BGCollectables_Patch.esp
79 LOTD_TCC_Gremlins.esp
7A DawnguardArsenal.esp [Version 1.1.7]
7B JK's Arcadia's Cauldron.esp [Version 1]
7C DBM_AHO_Patch.esp
7D SkyrimSewers_OutlawsRefuges_Patch.esp
7E DBM_Vigilant_Patch.esp
7F LOTD_TCC_Vigilant.esp
80 WayOfTheMonk.esp
81 CWIMTOTPatchSE.esp
82 Fossilsyum.esp
83 DBM_IW_Patch.esp
84 LOTD_TCC_ImmWeap.esp
85 ShadowMagic.esp
86 DovahDenDBM.esp
87 JKs Skyrim_Clockwork_Patch.esp
88 Treasure Hunter - Tweaks and Fixes.esp [Version 1.2]
89 JK'S Skyrim and The Marshlands Patch.esp
8A DBMCollectors.esp
8B SFCO - 3DNPC Patch.esp
8C PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
8D Royal Armory Tweaks-ICoW.esp
8E ForgottenCity.esp
8F SFCO - Breezehome Patch.esp
90 DBM_MAS_Patch.esp
91 DBM_SafehousePlus_Addon.esp
92 DBM_Undeath_Patch.esp
93 blackreachrailroadnew.esp
94 WheelsOfLull.esp
95 treasure_hunt.esp
96 BeyondSkyrimMerchant.esp
97 JK's Skyrim + Beyond Skyrim Wares - Patch.esp
98 Beyond Skyrim Distribution.esp
99 018InigoBanterPatch.esp
9A SFCO - Falskaar Patch.esp
9B SFCO - Helgen Reborn Patch.esp
9C ImmersiveJewelryXSummermyst.esp
9D JK's Warmaiden's.esp
9E Heavy Armory Enchanted.esp
9F JK's Belethor's General Goods.esp
A0 Project AHO - Smelter Patch.esp
A1 Dwarfsphere_Weapons.esp
A2 projectAHO ENB Patch.esp
A3 ProjectAHODelaySlaveryMCM.esp
A4 DBM_NarrativeLoot_Patch.esp
A5 DBM_ImmersiveJewelry_Patch.esp
A6 BooksBooksBooks.esp
A7 AK- Namira for Good Guys.esp
A8 Volkihar Knight.esp [Version 1.0.0]
A9 Inn Soaps.esp
AA ArmouryPatches.esp
AB SecretOfTheSilverBlades.esp
AC Animated Armoury - Silver Blades Patch.esp
AD Animated Armoury - Jaysus Swords Patch.esp
AE TBoO & SS Patch.esp
AF HothFollower.esp
B0 WOM_NewArmouryPatch.esp
B1 Animated Way of the Monk.esp
B2 DiamondSmithingComplete.esp
B3 Diamond Smithing Animated Armoury compatibility patch.esp
B4 BGSMerpsGondorianArmament.esp
B5 AnimatedArmouryMerpGondorPatch.esp
B6 LrsamwaysExpandedSkyrimWeaponry.esp
B7 AnimatedExpandedWeapons.esp
B8 AnimatedHeavyArmoury.esp
B9 Animated Immersive Weaps.esp
BA 3DNPC0.esp
BB Konahriks Privilege by Edhelsereg.esp
BC Pelt2Leather.esp
BD NordWar Helgen Armor.esp
BE Falskaar - Bruma Patch.esp
BF valkyrja.esp
C0 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
C1 Immersive Patrols - Guards Armor Replacer patch.esp
C2 Tools of Kagrenac.esp
C3 Raven Rock - Fix Exit on Horseback.esp
C4 DBM_TamrielicCulture_Patch.esp
C5 ktWeaponPackSE.esp
C6 DwemerSpectresLegendary.esp
C7 WoL-Patches.esp
C8 Wol-Spectres.esp
C9 AetheriumSwordsnArmor.esp
CA DBM_AetheriumWeapons_Patch.esp
CB LOTD_TCC_Aetherium.esp
CC DBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.esp
CD LOTD_TCC_Royal.esp
CE DBM_Wintersun_Patch.esp
CF DBM_TOK_Patch.esp
D0 LOTD_TCC_Kagrenac.esp
D1 LOTD_TCC_Wintersun.esp
D2 notice board.esp
D3 Wyrmstooth - Notice Board.esp
D4 SFCO - Wyrmstooth Patch.esp
D5 Provincial Courier Service.esp [Version 4.1]
D6 DBM_CheeseMod_Patch.esp
D7 SkaldsMail.esp
D8 DBM_BBB_Patch.esp
D9 DBM_TreasureHunter_Patch.esp
DA LOTD_TCC_TreasureHunter.esp
DB DBM_ZimsThaneWeapons_Patch.esp
DC DBM_Falskaar_Patch.esp
DD DBM_ImmersiveCollegeofWinterhold_Patch.esp
DE DBM_KA_Patch.esp
DF DBM_Kaidan_Patch.esp
E0 LOTD_TCC_Follower_Kaidan.esp
E1 Durzog by 4th.esp
E2 DBM_PathoftheRevanant_Patch.esp
E3 LOTD_TCC_PathRev.esp
E4 DBM_SkyrimUnderground_Patch.esp
E5 SkyrimSewersUndeathPatch.esp
E6 DBM_CloaksofSkyrim_Patch.esp
E7 DBM_NoticeBoard_Patch.esp
E8 JKs The Drunken Huntsman.esp
E9 icebladeofthemonarch.esp
EA DBM_IceBladeMonarch_Patch.esp
EB LOTD_TCC_IceBlade.esp
EC DBM_Auri_Patch.esp
ED LOTD_TCC_Follower_Auri.esp
EE DBM_Clockwork_Patch.esp
EF DBM_ROM_Patch.esp
F0 LOTD_TCC_RoM.esp
F1 DBM_TheGrayCowlofNocturnal_Patch.esp
F2 DBM_Wyrmstooth_Patch.esp
F3 LoTDSafehouseDoor.esp
F4 DBM_Inigo_Patch.esp
F5 LOTD_TCC_Follower_Inigo.esp
F6 DBM_NewTreasureHunt_Patch.esp
F7 LOTD_TCC_NTHunter.esp
F8 DBM_SUT_Patch.esp
F9 LOTD_TCC_SUT.esp
FA DBM_Mrissi_Patch.esp
FB LOTD_TCC_Follower_Mrissi.esp
FC SFCO - JK's Whiterun Interiors Patch.esp
FD DragonPriestJournals0-3.esp
FE Lucien.esp
FF Beyond Skyrim Distribution - Lucien Patch.esp
100 DynamicDungeonLoot.esp
101 Path of Revenant - Manimarco Shrine Patch.esp
102 DBM_CC_HOWShortcutsGuidePatch.esp
103 LotD - Taking Skulls Decapitates.esp
104 PaladinArtifactsAndArmor.esp
105 DBM_WheelsofLull_Patch.esp
106 ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp
107 Maiqs_Milk_and_Honey.esp
108 DBM_MailPatch.esp
109 Legacy of the Dragonborn Spelling Patch.esp
10A DBM_OSTV4.esp
10B DovahDenDBM_MC.esp
10C FNIS.esp
10D DBM_ReachMage_Patch.esp
10E All Geared Up Derivative.esp
10F Improved Eyes Skyrim - Serana.esp
110 HearthFires Display Case Fix SE.esp
111 SFCO - Multiple Adoptions Patch.esp
112 TavernAIFix.esp
113 Improved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.esp
114 Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
115 IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
116 HornsAreForever.esp
117 AHZmoreHUD.esp [Version 3.8.0]
118 RaceMenu.esp
119 XPMSE.esp
11A RaceMenuPlugin.esp
11B Don'tTalkWithYourMouthFull.esp
11C True Scholar.esp
11D GIST soul trap.esp
11E SSoB.esp
11F SFCO - JK's Sleeping Giant Inn Patch.esp
120 Mystic Condenser - USSEP Patch.esp
121 Quest Conflict Fixes.esp
122 DragonlingEggs.esp
123 dbmquickstashspell.esp
124 UniqueBarbas.esp
125 EnneadCloaks.esp
126 OBIS SE - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
127 OBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.esp
128 Cloaks&Capes.esp
129 Dr_Bandolier.esp
12A 1nivWICCloaks.esp [Version 2.4]
12B 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp [Version 2.4]
12C WetandCold.esp
12D Wet and Cold + OBIS - Consistent Face Masks.esp
12E ClockworkPlantableAddon.esp
12F Gray Cowl of Nocturnal - Delayed Start.esp
130 JSwords-ImmersiveWeaponsPatch.esp
131 bs bruma guard gauntlets fix (pc).esp
132 JRMoonpathBrumaPatch.esp
133 Moonpath Music - Sky and Lighting fix - merged.esp
134 Moonpath Music.esp
135 Lucien-Moonpath-Patch.esp
136 JRBrumaPatch.esp
137 Lucien-MoonandStar-Patch.esp
138 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
139 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
13A Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
13B Rapier and Dagger.esp
13C Rapier&DaggerNAESL.esp
13D Bloody's Nettlebane Patch.esp
13E RoM - SIC Patch.esp
13F RoM - Summermyst Patch.esp
140 RoM - Wintersun Patch.esp
141 DBM_ArtifactsofBoethiah_Patch.esp
142 LOTD_TCC_Boethiah.esp
143 DBM_TheBrotherhoodOfOldPatch_OAP.esp
144 LegacyStorageExtended.esp
145 LOTD_TCC_Undeath.esp
146 RuinsEdge.esp
147 LSE_Breezehome_Patch.esp
148 DBM_ArtifactsofSkyrim_Patch.esp
149 LOTD_TCC_ArtifactsSkyrim.esp
14A DBM_InnSoaps_Patch.esp
14B LOTD_TCC_CheeseMod.esp
14C LOTD_TCC_Cloaks.esp
14D LOTD_TCC_SafehousePlus.esp
14E LOTD_TCC_Soaps.esp
14F DBM_DevAvezaAirship_Patch.esp
150 DBM_DwemerSpectres_Patch.esp
151 LOTD_TCC_DwemerSpectres.esp
152 DBM_TeldrynSerious_Patch.esp
153 DBM_ktWeaponPackSE_Patch.esp
154 LOTD_TCC_3DNPC.esp
155 LOTD_TCC_Kthonia.esp
156 FishHatchery_LoDB_Addon.esp
157 DBM_ForgottenCity_Patch.esp
158 LOTD_TCC_TFC.esp
159 DBM_IA_Patch.esp
15A LOTD_TCC_ImmArm.esp
15B DBM_CC_ACBoneWolfHOWPatch.esp
15C DBM_CC_NixHoundHOWPatch.esp
15D LOTD_TCC_BoneWolf.esp
15E LOTD_TCC_NixHound.esp
15F DBM_CC_DwMudcrabHOWPatch.esp
160 LOTD_TCC_DwarvenMudcrab.esp
161 The Notice Board SMIM Ropes Fix.esp
162 DBM_SkyrimSewers_Patch.esp
163 LOTD_TCC_SkyrimSewers.esp
164 DBM_HallOfHeroesLight.esp
165 MoonAndStar_Undeath_compat.esp
166 Delphine's Map Reveals Dragon Mounds.esp
167 DBM_DDL_Patch.esp
168 DBM_DaedricCloaks_Patch.esp
169 DBM_DepthsofSkyrim_Patch.esp
16A DBM_HA_Patch.esp
16B LOTD_TCC_HeavyArm.esp
16C DBM_Moonpath_Patch.esp
16D LOTD_TCC_BrotherhoodofOld_OAP.esp
16E LOTD_TCC_Clockwork.esp
16F LOTD_TCC_Falskaar.esp
170 LOTD_TCC_GrayCowl.esp
171 LOTD_TCC_Helgen.esp
172 LOTD_TCC_ICOW.esp
173 LOTD_TCC_KA.esp
174 LOTD_TCC_MAS.esp
175 LOTD_TCC_Moonpath.esp
176 LOTD_TCC_ProjectAHO.esp
177 LOTD_TCC_TeldrynSerious.esp
178 LOTD_TCC_Underground.esp
179 LOTD_TCC_Wyrmstooth.esp
17A Kynreeve.esp
17B StaffOfSheogorath.esp
17C Falskaar - Fast Travel.esp
17D MAS - USSEP Dock Fix.esp
17E WheelsofLull-Skyship.esp
17F Falskaar - Bug Fixes.esp
180 Gray Cowl of Nocturnal - Unofficial Patch.esp
181 DBM_StaffofSheogorath_Patch.esp
182 LOTD_TCC_SheoStaff.esp
183 DBM_DGA_Patch.esp
184 LOTD_TCC_DawnguardArsenal.esp
185 DBM_Fossils_Patch.esp
186 LOTD_TCC_Fossils.esp
187 DBM_RuinsEdge_Patch.esp
188 LOTD_TCC_RuinsEdge.esp
189 LOTD_TCC_WheelsOfLull.esp
18A DBM_VolkiharKnight_Patch.esp
18B LOTD_TCC_Volkihar.esp
18C DBM_NewArmoury.esp
18D LOTD_TCC_AnimatedArmory.esp
18E DBM_JKArcadia_Patch.esp
18F DBM_JKBannered_Patch.esp
190 DBM_JKBelethor_Patch.esp
191 DBM_JKDragonsreach_Patch.esp
192 DBM_JKDrunken_Patch.esp
193 DBM_JKWarmaidens_Patch.esp
194 DBM_JaysusSwords_Patch.esp
195 LOTD_TCC_Jaysus.esp
196 LOTD_TCC_ZimThane.esp
197 DBM_MysticCondenser_Patch.esp
198 DBM_Namira_Patch.esp
199 DBM_RelicsofHyrule_Patch.esp
19A OBISCloaks.esp
19B DBM_OBIS_Patch.esp
19C DBM_SMIM_Patch.esp
19D DBM_ZimsImmersiveArtifacts_Patch.esp
19E Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 4.1.3]
19F notice board - better solstheim quests.esp
1A0 DBM_RelicHunter.esp
1A1 ENB Light.esp
1A2 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
1A3 Atlas Map Markers.esp
1A4 patch_AtlasMM_DelphineMap.esp
1A5 Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
I think that'll fix it.

[SpeedFreak1972]

It's a weird count, because I know for instance most of the lotd patches as esp-fe pachtes and are in the fe range. For instance I have 555 plugins 254 last mod index FD the rest is all FE range. LOOT should give an error with this mod index

[Ghastly]

I got it from Wyre Bash.

[Ghastly]

Yeah, no loot errors from Vortex or Loot. Just Wyre Bash.

[Hitokiri-X]

Wyre Bash is probably giving you an error because you're using Immersive Jewelry. That mod has an insane amount of records and is most likely preventing your Bash patch from compiling completely.

Vortex and Loot also won't tell you everything you need to know about your load order, for example, you installed the full version of Zia Artifacts when I'm guessing you wanted only the Thane portion for LOTD. Atm, Zia Complete is overwriting RoM effects.

[Ghastly]

No, no. It hasn't given me any errors, I used it to get the load order. And that's not even the problem. Let's just get back on track here.
Okay, so I'm having an issue where if I have more than 150 plugins message boxes appear blank. I also can't talk to the Statue of Mara for Alternate Start. Where do I begin looking for an issue?

[Hitokiri-X]

What exactly is the Wyre Bash error and what options do you have checked? Just Level List Integration? Does the message box error occur without Alternative Start?

[Ghastly]

There are no Wyre Bash errors. I haven't tested the error without alternative start.
I've had this error for multiple months now, and I think it would just be faster to do everything from the start. Delete Skyrim entirely and download it again.

[Uncle64]

Do you have mods installed that dont contains any esp?
Like font overhaul or anything like that?

[Ghastly]

no