Ultimate College of Winterhold Load Order Help

[LooksLikeDaniel]

I have been an avid user of Immersive College of Winterhold for quite some time now and, as such, I have never used Obscure's College of Winterhold.

As much as I love ICOW, I must admit that there are some things that Obscure's mod does better, so I was excited when someone pointed me to Ultimate College of Winterhold. (https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/44797?tab=files) UCW is a patch that allows one to run BOTH ICoW and OCW, combining the best of both worlds.

Unfortunately, ICoW and Obscure's were not working well together at all when I took UCW for a spin. Clipping in a lot of places. Missing doors and floor panels everywhere. Kind of a big mess.

I'm pretty sure this is a load order issue. The instructions for UCW specifically say to load ICoW BEFORE Obscure's, but LOOT decided to scatter Obscure's and it's various patches across various spots in the order and put ICoW and it's patches closer to the bottom. Since there are so many mods in between, I'm not sure what to move where.

Here is my current load order. Help is appreciated.

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
6 6 BSAssets.esm
7 7 BSHeartland.esm
8 8 BS_DLC_patch.esp
254 FE 0 Qw_BeyondSkyrimBruma_USSEP Hotfix Patch.esp
9 9 Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
10 a Cloaks.esp
11 b Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
254 FE 1 Qw_CloaksOfSkyrim_USSEP Patch.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
254 FE 2 ICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.esp
12 c SkyUI_SE.esp
13 d HearthfireMultiKid.esp
14 e HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
15 f The Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns.esp
16 10 MysticismMagic.esp
17 11 OCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.esp
18 12 Improved Adoptions MERGED.esp
19 13 goodbrother.esp
20 14 shezhelgreenhouse.esp
21 15 shezrieslakeviewgreenhouse.esp
22 16 ShezrieWinstadGreenhouse.esp
254 FE 3 OCW_ICNs_OE_FEPatch.esp
Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp
23 17 hearthfireextended.esp
Pilgrim.esp
24 18 EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp
25 19 Inigo.esp
26 1a EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp
27 1b Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
28 1c Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
29 1d Dual Blocking for Idiots v1.35c.esp
254 FE 4 OCW_TGCs_FEPatch.esp
30 1e Immersive Patrols II.esp
31 1f shezrieshfkitchenhel.esp
32 20 ShezriesLakeviewkitchen.esp
33 21 shezrieswinstadhearthfirekitchen.esp
34 22 ElysiumEstate.esp
35 23 rmp_wizardisland.esp
36 24 The Wandering Librarians REVISED.esp
37 25 FM - Lakeview Library.esp
38 26 Lucien.esp
39 27 CeliatheKettleMaidenFollower.esp
254 FE 5 OCW_WACCF_FEPatch.esp
40 28 BeyondSkyrimMerchant.esp
41 29 RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp
42 2a RavenOnMyShoulder.esp
43 2b truetelekinesis.esp
44 2c SPTConsistentOlderPeopleSE.esp
254 FE 6 OCW_MaMO_FEPatch.esp
45 2d MageBackpack_150.esp
46 2e Mage Outfit Texture Overhaul.esp
47 2f CaesiaFollower.esp
254 FE 7 Qw_WACCF_BSHeartland Patch.esp
48 30 LeveledItemsLevelWithYou.esp
49 31 Dr_Bandolier.esp
50 32 El_WayfarersCoatSSE.esp
51 33 KS_Hairdo's_Lite_NoNPCs.esp
52 34 DawnguardHairsPlayable.esp
53 35 DawnguardArsenal.esp
254 FE 8 Kai_Mysticism-Arsenal_Patch.esp
54 36 TakeNotes.esp
254 FE 9 RGMsVanityMirror.esp
254 FE a DawnguardArsenal_WACCF_Patch.esp
55 37 50 More Perk Points.esp
254 FE b LoweredHoods.esp
254 FE c LoweredHoods_WACCF.esp
254 FE d Qw_WACCF_CloaksOfSkyrim Patch.esp
56 38 Dawnguard Hoods.esp
57 39 _001_SelfFillingBookshelves.esp
58 3a SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrimSE.esp
254 FE e The Wandering Librarians REVISED - USSEP Patch.esp
59 3b Peacekeeper Armour.esp
60 3c lucienreplacer.esp
254 FE f GreatCitiesWaresofTamrielPatch.esp
254 FE 10 FSA_FindingSusannaAlive.esp
254 FE 11 NetchLeather.esp
254 FE 12 Dishonored Blink.esp
61 3d BecomeABard.esp
254 FE 13 GreatCitiesDoorFix.esp
62 3e RM_NobleHealerRobes.esp
63 3f Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
64 40 MysticOrdinator.esp
254 FE 14 Ordinator_WACCF_Patch.esp
PilgrimOrdinatorPatch.esp
65 41 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
66 42 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
254 FE 15 UltimateCollege.esp
67 43 The Brotherhood of Old.esp
68 44 Convenient Horses.esp
254 FE 16 UltimateCollege_GCWinterhold_Patch.esp
254 FE 17 UltimateCollege_WACCF_Patch.esp
254 FE 18 OCW_CellSettings.esp
254 FE 19 CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp
69 45 CH Bruma Patch.esp
254 FE 1a The Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns Falkreath ICAO Patch.esp
254 FE 1b UltimateCollege_Cloaks_Patch.esp
254 FE 1c UltimateCollege_Mysticism_Patch.esp
70 46 WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp

[HazakTheMad]

Maybe some guides will help
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2266129651
and this https://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/3109142236155416522/

[LooksLikeDaniel]

Originally posted by HazakTheMad:

Maybe some guides will help
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2266129651
and this https://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/3109142236155416522/

Thanks. This is going to sound like Hercules and the Wagoner, but I’m not really looking for Modding for Dummies. I just want to know where to put the ICoW stuff with everything scattered about like that.

I’ll take a look, though.

[HazakTheMad]

Which mod manager are you using?
In Votex you can set a specific rule to get them in the right order.

[Vlad 254]

"Vortex" mod manager will place it where "Loot" suggests - after that if you want to move it to a different position in your load order it's up to you.

Also, if you don't use Vortex then get/use "Loot" and it will place it. But again, if you want to move it then it's up to you after that.

[Vlad 254]

Loot is not always correct. Place them in the order the mod author suggests.

[LooksLikeDaniel]

I'm using MO2 and I run LOOT each time I put a new mod in. The issue is that LOOT scattered the various bits of ICoW, OCW, and UCW around the load order in such a way that I'm not sure if moving ICoW above the other mods will screw them up or, for that matter, if it will screw ICoW up.