As an Argonian, Legion or Stormcloak?

[Malsvir Ixen]

Neither side has really treated the Argonians well.

[Valndrisa]

Go with Stormcloak

[Ambugaton]

Originally posted by Malsvir Ixen:

Neither side has really treated the Argonians well.

So don't join either.

[Rez Elwin]

The empire doesn't restrict Argonians to a freezing slum working all day long for next to nothing. In fact it's worse, argonians I don't think are even let into the city(Windhelm), they all live outside in the dock warehouses. To a "true" nord any argonian is at best a second class citizen. I am fairly certain the empire has made a mention of argonian resilience and ability to battle in any condition, being tough advisories, that would indicate some level of respect.

[Malsvir Ixen]

Originally posted by Valndrisa:

Go with Stormcloak

Why? What's your reason?

[shiny_dirk]

nords are a pretty racist people, and the stormcloaks want full nord - imperials are kind of keeping everything together in their empire if they can, granting a lot more autonomy to others.

as an argonian, despite the imperials wonky past with them, the choice should still be easy.

edit : on a side note - it is indicated that the empire has a lot of reinforcement waiting just outside skyrim for a pass to be open again to quench that civil war very quickly.

more random stuff :
out of the 2 present leader figures, general tullius appears a ton more reasonable that ulfric, too. ulfric killed the high king in a duel using the voice, wich alone was already a scummy move, and that into someone most like already inferior in combat to him, being a battlehardened veteran to begin with. NOT to mention that high king torygg already admired ulfric and would probably been open to persuasion.



tl:dr damn that stormcloaks, understandable they dont like talos banned, but ulfric most likely is just a power hungry scumbag using the momentum. he aint gonna do good to argonians, theyre not nord enough.

[Anschluss]

Originally posted by shiny_dirk:

nords are a pretty racist people, and the stormcloaks want full nord - imperials are kind of keeping everything together in their empire if they can, granting a lot more autonomy to others.

as an argonian, despite the imperials wonky past with them, the choice should still be easy.

edit : on a side note - it is indicated that the empire has a lot of reinforcement waiting just outside skyrim for a pass to be open again to quench that civil war very quickly.

more random stuff :
out of the 2 present leader figures, general tullius appears a ton more reasonable that ulfric, too. ulfric killed the high king in a duel using the voice, wich alone was already a scummy move, and that into someone most like already inferior in combat to him, being a battlehardened veteran to begin with. NOT to mention that high king torygg already admired ulfric and would probably been open to persuasion.



tl:dr damn that stormcloaks, understandable they dont like talos banned, but ulfric most likely is just a power hungry scumbag using the momentum. he aint gonna do good to argonians, theyre not nord enough.

Yeah but the Empire tried to chop off your head for no good reason, and has a history of sucking.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by Anschluss:

Originally posted by shiny_dirk:

nords are a pretty racist people, and the stormcloaks want full nord - imperials are kind of keeping everything together in their empire if they can, granting a lot more autonomy to others.

as an argonian, despite the imperials wonky past with them, the choice should still be easy.

edit : on a side note - it is indicated that the empire has a lot of reinforcement waiting just outside skyrim for a pass to be open again to quench that civil war very quickly.

more random stuff :
out of the 2 present leader figures, general tullius appears a ton more reasonable that ulfric, too. ulfric killed the high king in a duel using the voice, wich alone was already a scummy move, and that into someone most like already inferior in combat to him, being a battlehardened veteran to begin with. NOT to mention that high king torygg already admired ulfric and would probably been open to persuasion.



tl:dr damn that stormcloaks, understandable they dont like talos banned, but ulfric most likely is just a power hungry scumbag using the momentum. he aint gonna do good to argonians, theyre not nord enough.

Yeah but the Empire tried to chop off your head for no good reason, and has a history of sucking.

It wasn't really the Legions decision just one pissed off captain which has an actual valid reason, you were caught trying to cross the border and were unlucky enough to be caught with stormcloaks.

Put yourself in that position, you just captured a group of known stormcloaks including their leader with 1 or 2 unknown people who could be stormcloaks. You might end up putting a couple criminals to death who might not exactly deserve it but better safe than sorry.

[Ankou]

As far as I'm aware the only "bad" thing the empire did to argonians as a people in lore was:
1. try, and fail, to conquer Black Marsh then sign a treaty leaving their autonomy largely intact.
2. Sign another treaty with the Dunmer keeping slavery in Morrowind legal, which was BS but by the time of Skyrim Slavery had been abolished for ~200 years and argonians had invaded Morrowind, devastating the southern border and reclaiming some old territory in revenge before being pushed back by the Redoran dunmer without the empire interfering in the entire conflict.

In Cyrodiil they are equal citizens treated fairly with full imperial rights and freedoms.
In the Stormcloak's capital city they were segregated to a apartment outside the city by Ulfric himself and paid a very poor wage.


But the question is, what would YOUR argonian character do?
A race isn't homogeneous in thought and personality, maybe your character would think they are pathetic to allow themselves to be be treated like that. Maybe your character would back the Stormcloaks despite them being utterly wrong because they feel the nords, despite their flaws, deserve to be free from imperial rule.

[Ambugaton]

There's no good decision. One of the things that becomes obvious when you join the Stormcloaks is that the public specches are about resisting the Empire, not having reliigion dictated to you, etc. but internally it's really all about Ulfric. And it's possible that the narrator is unreliable, but reading "the Bear of Markarth" is enough to make anyone question supporting him. On the other hand you have the Empire which not only tried to cut off your head without even knowing who you are but increasingly looks like just a thrall state to the Dominion. Not only do they invite a Dominion representative as part of their own delegation to treaty talks but it's possible they've even turned over a captured Stormcloak sympathizer to the Dominion for likely torture (the "Missing in Action" quest) with Tullius himself playing the loyal lapdog in that situation. And the empire's way to inspire troops? Tullius' less than rousing speech before the final battle is all about paying soldiers more. Fitting, selling out is something they know well at this point.

So, screw them both.

[WooF]

Let me guess, someone stole your sweet roll

[alexander_dougherty]

Stormcloaks are the worst possible choice for an Argonian, the leader of the Stormcloaks, Ulfric, is deeply suspicious of them, and allows them to be used as little more than slaves. In fact the only city that has given them even a taste of freedom is Riften, but they are as mistreated there as much as evryone else (lets face it Riften is a slum with a few grand buildings).

The Imperials treat them a little better, but still allow blatant mistreatment of them as a whole, something would not stand fr with any other race, so even here you have no reason to risk your life for them.

Argonians are best off ignoring the civil war entirely, and letting the races who abuse them kill each other.

[:bestgamerchina#1最好的中國]

Its pretty funny how people try to pretend civil war must be a social/moral choice.
Its a roleplay. If You are a sneak or You have moraliy low enough to murder anybody on Your way. Just pick side that offers You better deal.
Exemplary: I did my last run as ex slave of aldmeri justicar. Brainwashed enough to be thankfull beyond recognition for granted freedom in exchange of a favor wich was to kill Tulius.
I did everything in my playthrough to get to Tulius and backstab him in best moment possible.

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Lemmings:

Its pretty funny how people try to pretend civil war must be a social/moral choice.

Not social or moral, but a choice never the less.

[shiny_dirk]

Originally posted by Lemmings:

Its pretty funny how people try to pretend civil war must be a social/moral choice.
Its a roleplay. If You are a sneak or You have moraliy low enough to murder anybody on Your way. Just pick side that offers You better deal.
Exemplary: I did my last run as ex slave of aldmeri justicar. Brainwashed enough to be thankfull beyond recognition for granted freedom in exchange of a favor wich was to kill Tulius.
I did everything in my playthrough to get to Tulius and backstab him in best moment possible.

to everyone their own.
this thread asked a specific question and got specific answers for the most part.
your own approach to the matter is choice nonetheless, but has little to do with what the OP was looking for here.

[Malsvir Ixen]

When I build characters I try to make them as lore friendly as possible. My Argonian is named Seeks-Gold-Riches and he will take on any job and go anywhere coin can be made. He despises magic except for his shouts. He sees them as apart of his being. He will lie, cheat, and steal to gain coin. He's not above murder if it will get him coin.