Bugged Civil War Forts

[Void]

tl;dr: Forts in previously Stormcloak holds are repopulating with rebels even after clearing and after the Empire wins CW. Help?

So, I've encountered a weird bug. I completed the CW quest line for the Empire, but oddly enough all the forts I conquered in Stormcloak territory to win the war have been repopulated with Stormcloak soldiers? It's not like they just respawned a while after the battle. Imperial soldiers garrisoned these forts for some time. I can't give a specific amount of time. I discovered the rebels had respawned when I strolled past Fort Amol one day and the gaurds outside attacked me. I'm not using any mods to alter the civil war (except for 2: Civil War Aftermath and Whiterun Damage Repaired). I've had this problem for a while now (longer than I've had my CW mods). I thought I could ignore it, but it's driving me crazy now. All the tedious fort sacking I did has been for nothing unless I can fix this. Forts in Imperial holds and Whiterun are fine though. Even with the Fort Takeovers and Realistic Conquering mods (both of which I installed the day of posting this, well after I discovered this problem), any forts or locations I clear and claim in originally Stormcloak holds repopulate with Stormcloaks. I'm currently running Lawbringer as well, and don't have this issue with locations involved with that mod. The holds affected are: The Pale, Eastmarch, Riften, and Winterhold.

Is there anything I can do in the console to fix this? I have no idea how to monkey with the game files to fix issues, so if that's what I have to do, please explain the process as clearly and in as much detail as you can. I really don't want to destroy or have to abandon this character/save.

[Zsrai]

You have Immersive Patrols installed? There could be some faction groups spawning and taking over the forts even after the Civil War, maybe.

[Void]

Originally posted by Zsrai:

You have Immersive Patrols installed? There could be some faction groups spawning and taking over the forts even after the Civil War, maybe.

I do have Immersive Patrols installed. It's almost like the forts reset back to default after the war. No Imperial patrols spawn to try and attack the forts. The only time I ever see that happen is if a road patrol happens to wander too close off the path, even then, the patrol leaves the area after the fight and carries on their way like nothing happened. I've even tried to redo the conquests of specific forts and changed the faction ownership of the cells with the console. No luck.

[Zsrai]

It sounds like Civil War Aftermath is pretty touchy, from the Nexus page comments. Maybe it causes problems like this? Seems like some people can't get the camps to stay empty, so maybe that problem extends to the forts too.

Otherwise, a full modlist could probably help diagnose this.

[Void]

Originally posted by Zsrai:

It sounds like Civil War Aftermath is pretty touchy, from the Nexus page comments. Maybe it causes problems like this? Seems like some people can't get the camps to stay empty, so maybe that problem extends to the forts too.

Otherwise, a full modlist could probably help diagnose this.

I don't think it's Civil War Aftermath. Stormcloacks have been spawning at these locations since before I installed CWA. I have quite a few active mods so I'm just going to paste my loadorder.txt file from my Vortex folder.

Mods and Load Order:

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

ccbgssse016-umbra.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

BSAssets.esm

BSHeartland.esm

BS_DLC_patch.esp

climatesoftamriel.esm

falskaar.esm

SkyUI_SE.esp

SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

ELFX - Exteriors.esp

ELFX - Weathers.esp

Vivid WeathersSE.esp

immersive movement.esp

FTF_Core.esp

Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

The Forts of Skyrim-Rebuilt.esp

Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

The Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp

Cutting Room Floor.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

EBT - IC PATCH.esp

dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp

dD-Medium Script Range.esp

Unlimited Shouting.esp

Civil War Aftermath.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

Auriel's Crossbow SE.esp

Helgen Reborn.esp

SRC - Morvunskar.esp

LC_BuildYourNobleHouse.esp

SRC - Darklight Tower.esp

Man Those Borders!.esp

lamposts of skyrim.esp

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

Point The Way.esp

templeoftime.esp

fos - forests of skyrim.esp

SRC - Skybound Watch.esp

HaltedStreamMine.esp

Serenity.esp

ELFX - NoPlayerHomes.esp

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

aescraftableancientfalmerarmor.esp

AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

radiantBlocker.esp

LCO_Framework.esp

LCO_LostValleyRedoubt.esp

SRC - Embershard Mine.esp

Immersive Encounters.esp

SRC - Cracked Tusk Keep.esp

Run For Your Lives.esp

Cloaks.esp

raven rock.esp

inigo.esp

wavetest.esp

TacticalValtheim.esp

SRC - Robber's Gorge.esp

LCO_BleakwindBluff.esp

Shor's Stone.esp

FTF_Duskwatch.esp

Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

Immersive Patrols II.esp

Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp

WinterstoneCastle.esp

RoriksteadBasaltCliffs.esp

Ivarstead.esp

Kynesgrove.esp

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

SRC - Refugees Rest.esp

Soljund's Sinkhole.esp

Karthwasten.esp

ancientrefuge.esp

LCO_FalkreathWatchtower.esp

All armor - All enchantments.esp

DwemerNetwork.esp

stendarrsbeaconenhancedRv4sse.esp

LCO_CradleStoneTower.esp

FTF_Fellhammer.esp

ApotheosisDemo.esp

BeyondSkyrimMerchant.esp

LCO_Nilheim.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

LCO_PinefallBridge.esp

LCO_ShorsWatchtower.esp

LCO_DragonBridgeOverlook.esp

CWRepairs.esp

middenexpandedlitesse.esp

LCO_BannermistTower.esp

LCO_BleakFallsTower.esp

LCO_RiftWatchtower.esp

CraftingSupplies_AIO_ALL.esp

LCO_SnowpointBeacon.esp

LCO_BthalftRuins.esp

LCO_FourSkullLookout.esp

aetherium_unlimited.esp

My Home Is Your Home.esp

Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp

kynreeve armor.esp

Daedric Reaper Armor.esp

barenziahquestmarkers.esp

better horses.esp

better loot.esp

chesko_lorebasedloadingscreens.esp

DCR_KingCrusaderMegaPack_SSE.esp

dd - realistic ragdoll force - realistic.esp

DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp

Footprints.esp

HearthfireMultiKid.esp

HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp

Killable Generals.esp

LrsamwaysExpandedSkyrimWeaponry.esp

MhCyrodilLampPost001a.esp

mintylightningmod.esp

Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets SSE.esp

Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp

Perfect Legionnaire - Troops Re-equipment.esp

rich merchants of skyrim.esp

royaldaedric.esp

silverancientfalmorarmor.esp

smarter combat ai.esp

snowelf.esp

Tribunal Robes for SSE.esp

Vampire Eyes Playable.esp

Vivid Weathers SE - Bruma Patch.esp

Vivid Weathers SE - Extended Snow.esp

Vivid Weathers SE - Falskaar.esp

Vivid Weathers SE - LightingDuringStorm Patch.esp

weightless dragon bones and scales.esp

wetandcold.esp

wyldtats.esp

UnlimitedEnchantmentsMod.esp

Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

CWIBDSPatch.esp

Darkwater Crossing.esp

CWIEnLFXSEPatch.esp

CWIELnFXSEPatch.esp

CWIRLSSEPatch.esp

CWICRFSEPatch.esp

CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp

CWISPOPatchSE.esp

Veydosebrom.esp

relationship dialogue overhaul.esp

Whistling Mine.esp

CWR_IC_Patch.esp


ELFXEnhancer.esp

Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp

[Zsrai]

I don't use most of these so hopefully someone who does can take a look. I'd suggest checking out some mod pages for any bug reports too.

The Forts of Skyrim-Rebuilt [www.nexusmods.com] could be a problem, it seems to change a ♥♥♥♥ load regarding forts. From my quick skimming it sounds like it may not play well with any other mod that makes changes to forts. It gets my first vote for a test removal (in a new game) to see what happens.

Nothing else sticks out to me as blatantly problematic, but that doesn't mean there aren't a couple of mods overwriting each other and causing problems. For instance you have Killable Generals[www.nexusmods.com] and the aforementioned Civil War Aftermath [www.nexusmods.com] that have a lot of overlap.

[Void]

I’ll give each of those a test removal on a fresh dummy save. If that doesn’t work, I guess it’ll just be trial and error removing mods until I find which one’s overwriting the Hold owner. Thanks!