Legendary Skills

[madgamer2]

I went to ther skills menu made my 100% illusion skill and it said I would get skill pts but none showed up. what ia going on?

[WR3ND]

Originally posted by Goilveig:

Originally posted by WR3ND:

You already cashed in by gaining character levels; that's basically what making skills legendary is for. Kind of counter intuitive wording, I suppose. You gain a skill perk point every level.

I find block to be the best skill to make legendary to use to power level my character. At high enough character levels with decent armor I can just go AFK (or away from controller, in my case) and let a frost troll bash on me for a while – the one along the west bank outside of Dawnstar, if you were wondering. At lower levels just use mud crabs.

Getting Alteration to 0% MP cost (very easy with moderately good enchanting /alchemy) and then fast traveling while using Telekinesis is by far the fastest way to go. You can level it 15 -> 100 in the time for one load screen.

I often don't like using alchemy, smithing, and enchanting, but then feel bad for making and not using those parts of a house. Kind of funny dilemma I find myself in on occasion.

[Goilveig]

Originally posted by WR3ND:

Originally posted by Goilveig:

Getting Alteration to 0% MP cost (very easy with moderately good enchanting /alchemy) and then fast traveling while using Telekinesis is by far the fastest way to go. You can level it 15 -> 100 in the time for one load screen.

I often don't like using alchemy, smithing, and enchanting, but then feel bad for making and not using those parts of a house. Kind of funny dilemma I find myself in on occasion.

Yeah, it's kind of boring leveling them up every game. Not even hard, apart from dwarven metal I get most of the materials just by buying out vendor stocks, it's just really time consuming.

And having them all to 100 just breaks the game even without resto loops. Even on Legendary, my 97 point life leech on a 1.3k damage weapon is enough to basically keep me at full HP while one to three shotting just about anything, not even counting potions.

[WR3ND]

Originally posted by Goilveig:

Oh, the other thing legendary does is make it possible to get to higher levels even if there are some skills you don't care about (e.g. if you want to be a pure fighter, you're not limited if you choose not to use any magic). Rather than being forced to level each skill to 100 regardless of whether you want to use that skill or not in order to hit level 81, you can focus on a smaller set of skills and level the same ones up more than once.

That's a good point as I like to RP a class type myself as well. Doesn't really make much sense to play my character the way I tend to prefer if they're the best at everything. It also isn't really how I envision them.

[Goilveig]

Originally posted by WR3ND:

Originally posted by Goilveig:

Oh, the other thing legendary does is make it possible to get to higher levels even if there are some skills you don't care about (e.g. if you want to be a pure fighter, you're not limited if you choose not to use any magic). Rather than being forced to level each skill to 100 regardless of whether you want to use that skill or not in order to hit level 81, you can focus on a smaller set of skills and level the same ones up more than once.

That's a good point as I like to RP a class type myself as well. Doesn't really make much sense to play my character the way I tend to prefer if they're the best at everything. It also isn't really how I envision them.

Yeah, I do the archetypes as well... it's annoying because it means I'll never have a single save where I know every shout, because on no single save do I want to join the companions, college of winterhold (except to the level you're forced to for the main quest), and thieves' guild at the same time, and each of them quest locks some of the word walls. So does the Dark Brotherhood but I think you can still get that one if you do the "destroy the dark brotherhood" option.

[Awesome_Al360]

Originally posted by Goilveig:

Getting Alteration to 0% MP cost (very easy with moderately good enchanting /alchemy) and then fast traveling while using Telekinesis is by far the fastest way to go. You can level it 15 -> 100 in the time for one load screen.

Really? And to think I wasted time using rubber bands on my xbox controller for hours to get to level 120

I'd have to stop every 10-15 mintues to go and reset the skill getting 4-5 levels each time...

[Goilveig]

Originally posted by Awesome_Al360:

Originally posted by Goilveig:

Getting Alteration to 0% MP cost (very easy with moderately good enchanting /alchemy) and then fast traveling while using Telekinesis is by far the fastest way to go. You can level it 15 -> 100 in the time for one load screen.

Really? And to think I wasted time using rubber bands on my xbox controller for hours to get to level 120

I'd have to stop every 10-15 mintues to go and reset the skill getting 4-5 levels each time...

Yup, if you have gear to get the magicka cost to 0, and you fast-travel while holding an object w/ telekinesis, the game assumes you held the object for the length of time corresponding to the hours that passed while you quick traveled. Even a fairly short jump can give you 15->100 in one go.

[madgamer2]

I am old school to the degree that I don't like to do thinks that are not part of the game to me the teliekinesis is a kind of cheat. That is just me I guess

[Awesome_Al360]

Originally posted by madgamer2:

I am old school to the degree that I don't like to do thinks that are not part of the game to me the teliekinesis is a kind of cheat. That is just me I guess

It's not really a cheat, it's a adept Alteration spell. If you're a mage/thief build it's really useful to steal items with. You can also fling items at NPC's, but it just makes them hostile and doesn't do a lot of damage.

I think it was more useful in Oblivion because there were welkyn stone found in Alyeid ruins that were out of reach and you either used Telekinesis or shot it with an arrow to get them.

But yeah, using it grind your alteration skill is kinda' an exploit since you can do it over and over by making the skill legendary and rack up the perk points.

[madgamer2]

I still am a little unsure how legendary skills work. I spent time from Lev. 20 to Lev. 32 power leveling iused muffle spells to raise my illusion skill to Legendarey which also included 3 days (game time) in a room casting muffle spells.
I then power leveled from 32 to 44 when I made the skill legendary it gave me no skill pts. I only invested 1 skill point in novice level. So I don't quite understand why I did not get any skill points back. I tried it again when I made my present lev. 45 and still noo skill pts. Is this the way its syposed to work?

[Dex]

I've never done it myself in my 300 hours but it's meant for people who are like maxed out level 80 with all 100 skills, or at least 100 skills in the skills they want. Those people no longer can level up and gain extra mana/health/stamina. So the legendary skills allow you to have the same amount of perks, but keep leveling , unlocking your max stamina/magic/health essentially.

[Awesome_Al360]

Originally posted by madgamer2:

I still am a little unsure how legendary skills work. I spent time from Lev. 20 to Lev. 32 power leveling iused muffle spells to raise my illusion skill to Legendarey which also included 3 days (game time) in a room casting muffle spells.
I then power leveled from 32 to 44 when I made the skill legendary it gave me no skill pts. I only invested 1 skill point in novice level. So I don't quite understand why I did not get any skill points back. I tried it again when I made my present lev. 45 and still noo skill pts. Is this the way its syposed to work?

So when you went from level 32 to 44 you got 12 perk points. When you make your illusion skill legendary you can then power level again and keep getting perk points. Any perk points spend in the skill tree will be given back when you reset the skill, otherwise you can just keep leveling and accumulating perk points.

[Rafael Freeman]

I'm not sure I understand the problem, but just to clarify:

If you make a skill tree legendary (let's say the skill tree is Alchemy) you'll get the skill points back that you have invested in that skill tree. If you haven't invested skill points in that specific tree, you won't get anything, since there is nothing to give back.

You can of course then start again with leveling in that skill tree to gain skill points.

In general it's a bad idea to grind in skills that you don't really use. It's only a good idea if you need skill points and can't get them an other way.

Let's say you have just reached level 60 in Archery. You can now increase the damage from Archery, but you don't have a skill point to do so. If your close to the next general level, it can be worth it to do some power leveling with an underdeveloped skill (like block or illusion if you haven't used them much) since underdeveloped skills are easier to increase.

I suggest that if you are going to grind, do so in really useful general skills like Alchemy, Archery and Smithing.

Increasing those will make you more powerful than increasing in level.

[zayaid]

legendary for unlimit skill point with endless grinding

[LAG]

Originally posted by madgamer2:

I still am a little unsure how legendary skills work. I spent time from Lev. 20 to Lev. 32 power leveling iused muffle spells to raise my illusion skill to Legendarey which also included 3 days (game time) in a room casting muffle spells.
I then power leveled from 32 to 44 when I made the skill legendary it gave me no skill pts. I only invested 1 skill point in novice level. So I don't quite understand why I did not get any skill points back. I tried it again when I made my present lev. 45 and still noo skill pts. Is this the way its syposed to work?

You level up when you increase your illusion

when you level up you gain skill points

as in, your character level increases based on your illusion skill. You don't gain a perk point because your illusion went from 49>50 you gain it when your character level goes from 49>50(or any other level).

you know your character leveled up because you'll get the option to increase your magicka/health/stamina

making a skill legendary simply resets it so you can level it up again in order to have it contribute to the character level.

[madgamer2]

I guess I can't clearly understand what I am doing wrong (if anything) but the skill pts I got went I went from 38(not 32) were 5 skill pts. AFTER going to level 45 with i skill pt. avaliable I used it then tried to make illusion legendary and I asked if I was sure Iwanted the skill pts I clicked on
yes there was a soumd and the skill bar centered on illusion which read 15 BUT NO skill pts were avaliable.
I did invest 1 skill pt. to purchase novice skill in illusion back on level 20, when I started power leveling illusion. 100% was reached by casting muffle including the aformentioned 3 game days casting the muffle till legendary was reached.

I think I will just keep it and NO MORE POWER LEVELING!!!

thanks for trying to help an old guy