The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition

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arwenfluff Dec 9, 2016 @ 11:59pm
A Orc lore question
I went orc female warrior this time, my question is are the marriages between orcs in cyrodil different then the ones at the stronghold? I remember in oblivion orcs walking around in the street being normal upstanding citizens and i remember the grey prince story too.
And what about magic is it really that unusal for orcs to take up on it?

I don't know much besides we are suppose to be the race everyone hates..........
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Жора Dec 10, 2016 @ 12:07am 
Originally posted by arwenfluff:
And what about magic is it really that unusal for orcs to take up on it?
Given the fact that one of their starting racial bonuses includes +5 Enchanting skill, I think they do know a thing or two about magic by the lore.
Last edited by Жора; Dec 10, 2016 @ 12:36am
arwenfluff Dec 10, 2016 @ 12:10am 
Originally posted by Жора:
Originally posted by arwenfluff:
And what about magic is it really that unusal for orcs to take up on it?
Given the fact that one of their starting racial bonus includes +5 Enchanting skill, I think they do know a thing or two about magic by the lore.
yeah you're right maybe I can enchant myself to be magically superior like the bretons or altmer!
I think it depends entirely on what culture they adopt.

Standard Orc culture, with life in Strongholds and the like, the Chieftain is the only one allowed to wed and his son (or another Orc depending on circumstance) is to rise up and kill him for the throne.

You can actually learn this from Burguk in the Dushnikh Yal stronghold southeast of Markarth I think it is.

As for spells, there's a few examples of well versed Orcs in the ES series. One of them that is into some dark stuff is one of the Mage Guild members in Morrowind, and in Skyrim the librarian of the College of Winterhold is an Orc. Just depends on their chosen culture.

Only downside is you won't benefit much from the racial ability (Berserker Rage). You will benefit from the armor bonus but not the double damage, since it only applies to physical damage.
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Chikuwu Dec 10, 2016 @ 12:26am 
according to TES lore, and how Orcs have been presented in all the games, they have a lot of individuals who despise their brutal lifecycles, and they take up some more gentle and softer forms of crafts, like cooking, enchanting, and book-keeper jobs, and the likes.

In skyrim theres Bard orc, whos actually bad, but works for the bards college as a student.

Then theres the gourmet, the orc you need to kill in the main mission, etc.

Then the college of winterhold has a bookkeeper orc.
Washell Dec 10, 2016 @ 12:42am 
Originally posted by Chiku:
Then the college of winterhold has a bookkeeper orc.
Which nicely illustrates the height of Bethesda's wit... "Let's make a stupid Orc the librarian!".
Mr. Dave Dec 10, 2016 @ 1:25am 
Originally posted by Washell:
Originally posted by Chiku:
Then the college of winterhold has a bookkeeper orc.
Which nicely illustrates the height of Bethesda's wit... "Let's make a stupid Orc the librarian!".
TES Orcs aren't stupid though. Read up on some of the lore. It'll save you some embarrassment next time. ;)

OP, sadly, Orc culture wasn't at all incorporated into the marraige system in Skyrim. You wear the amulet, someone says the same line everyone says, you say yepper, you stand and take the exact same vows and then pick where you both live. No Orc customs there. :(
Chikuwu Dec 10, 2016 @ 3:07am 
its funny how some people think orcs are stupid.

They are respected in the lore as organizers, and arrangers. They have widely respected blacksmithing culture and mostly work as organizers in jobs.

they do it better than most others ;3
Orcs do learn magic, there is at least one Shaman and one healer in every Orc stronghold, or there will be shortly if it's a new stronghold. The healer specialses in restoration and alchemy, but will learn other magics too. The shaman, who represents Malacanth's influence, will learn Conjuration, and maybe illusion/destruction magic, but will also learn some healing magic too. There is always some overlap beteween the two, deliberately, Orcs know that enemies will exploit weaknesses. They will also have apprentices, so that if they die the stronghold still has a few magic users.

As for the marriage situation, Orcs in Cyrodill probably adopted local customs in order to blend in, while Orcs in other places, such as Skyrim have stuck to their own customs.

Oh, and in Elder Scrolls universe Orcs are not stupid, they are primarily fighters, and generally eskew magic (that is per Orc, not the Orc society as a whole), but they have never been stupid.
Delta 1038 Dec 10, 2016 @ 4:35am 
Originally posted by Washell:
Originally posted by Chiku:
Then the college of winterhold has a bookkeeper orc.
Which nicely illustrates the height of Bethesda's wit... "Let's make a stupid Orc the librarian!".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jbgFQ-MbQM
JDaremo Fireheart Dec 10, 2016 @ 4:42am 
Hey, don't forget the famous Mazoga the Orc Knight from Oblivion.
Washell Dec 10, 2016 @ 9:16am 
Originally posted by Mr. Dave:
Read up on some of the lore. It'll save you some embarrassment next time. ;)
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Races
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Races

I rest my case.
Zsrai Dec 10, 2016 @ 10:44am 
Originally posted by Washell:
Originally posted by Mr. Dave:
Read up on some of the lore. It'll save you some embarrassment next time. ;)
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Races
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Races

I rest my case.

Stats are different from lore. That only shows that the males have a lower Int than most races, the same as Nords and Redguards, and females have an average Int. Both genders have a higher than average Will, which also has an impact on spellcasting. Neither proves that Orcs (or Nords or Redguards) are stupid though.
Chikuwu Dec 10, 2016 @ 10:51am 
Originally posted by Washell:
Originally posted by Mr. Dave:
Read up on some of the lore. It'll save you some embarrassment next time. ;)
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Races
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Races

I rest my case.

Basing character stats above lore = gg
Washell Dec 10, 2016 @ 11:43am 
Originally posted by Zsrai:
Stats are different from lore.

Option A: Stats are derived from lore.
Option B: Lore is written to support the stats.
Option C: Lore writer at Bethesda decides to defy general fantasy Orc lore, game designer decides to follow general fantasy orc lore.

Given Bethesda's inconsistent world building, it's probably option C which makes all of us both right and both wrong and Urag either a further attempt to defy Orc lore or a crap joke.
The stats only show that males are slightly less intelligent than most races with females being equal to most races outside of the most intelligent and magically inclined, like Altmer and Bretons. It also shows both Nords and Redguards to be less intelligent than Orc females. Highly doubtful.

This is because Intelligence in terms of stats is merely the title given to the stat that defines one's magical aptitude with certain schools, as well as spell points, not a measure of how smart they are like the title implies/shares name with - proof? Look at their Willpower. Considering the fact that it is not uncommon to meet smart Orcs, Nords and Redguards depending on their location, then it doesn't really imply that they're naturally stupid in any way. In terms of how it applies to lore, it is because they are a product of their culture. Orc culture is basically tribal, similar to Mongolians of old, and thus their primary focus is brute, warlike combat, hence their racial ability and durability. They are militants, and thus only the Shaman and the like practice magic, or the Orcs that leave and adopt another culture instead. Nords have less Intelligence because, like Skyrim implies nearly all across the board, Nord culture typically has no trust of mages at all, not because Nords are stupid (otherwise the smarter and just as militarily capable Imperials would have mopped the floor with them already). There are exceptions however, just like with Redguards and, of course, Orcs.

Full circle the logic makes perfect sense. There is a loose connection with stats and actual physical/mental capabilities (like Strength, although that can be overcome), but that is why Intellect in terms of "IQ" is divided into two stats, Intelligence and Willpower. But the reason for said stats is almost directly related to their overall culture, which goes back to what I wrote above.
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