"Tower Stones"

[deuceyd]

What are they? Are they 'canon' in TES universe? I ask because ive never heard of them before but I saw them mentioned on UESP wiki. Is there any ingame mention of them in Skyrim?

(I am not talking about the Standing Stones found in Skyrim)

[fauxpas]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zsrai:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Deucey D:

Kirkbride's stuff doesn't count. Ingame lore only.

Kirkbride wrote at least half of the lore. He was the writer behind Redguard, which set the tone for Dwemer and a lot of the other "weird" stuff in TES games, and was also involved in Morrowind (creative director? some kind of writer?) and I think was even involved in some way with Oblivion. Most of the in game books he actually wrote. That's why a lot of people take his extra bits as canon or damn close to it.

Most of it I find is functional but some of it is just utterly insane. Interesting as lore but not interesting for a game world.

As long as Kirkbride's lore doesn't contradict anything appearing in-game, it is and should be considered canon.

Now, since he isn't with Beth anymore, it's always possible that they'll take the games in directions that will render Kirkbride's stuff moot, but at least thus far, they haven't really done that.

[Zsrai]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย fauxpas:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zsrai:

Kirkbride wrote at least half of the lore. He was the writer behind Redguard, which set the tone for Dwemer and a lot of the other "weird" stuff in TES games, and was also involved in Morrowind (creative director? some kind of writer?) and I think was even involved in some way with Oblivion. Most of the in game books he actually wrote. That's why a lot of people take his extra bits as canon or damn close to it.

Most of it I find is functional but some of it is just utterly insane. Interesting as lore but not interesting for a game world.

As long as Kirkbride's lore doesn't contradict anything appearing in-game, it is and should be considered canon.

Now, since he isn't with Beth anymore, it's always possible that they'll take the games in directions that will render Kirkbride's stuff moot, but at least thus far, they haven't really done that.

Eh I wouldn't call everything he does canon, especially not the stuff since he left. He's not an employee so it's not from Bethesda and all that after all. It's a good secondary canon though, if you believe in that there are differing levels of canon (like old Star Wars, with movies > shows > books or whatever it was).

[alexander_dougherty]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Deucey D:

Where?!

White Gold Tower is in the middle of the Imperial Capital.
Daggerfall had a plot to use one of the Towers that you had to defeat (the plot not the Tower).
Various books in the games mention them (the ingame books not books about the games)

[Ihateeverybody]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย fauxpas:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zsrai:

Kirkbride wrote at least half of the lore. He was the writer behind Redguard, which set the tone for Dwemer and a lot of the other "weird" stuff in TES games, and was also involved in Morrowind (creative director? some kind of writer?) and I think was even involved in some way with Oblivion. Most of the in game books he actually wrote. That's why a lot of people take his extra bits as canon or damn close to it.

Most of it I find is functional but some of it is just utterly insane. Interesting as lore but not interesting for a game world.

As long as Kirkbride's lore doesn't contradict anything appearing in-game, it is and should be considered canon.

Now, since he isn't with Beth anymore, it's always possible that they'll take the games in directions that will render Kirkbride's stuff moot, but at least thus far, they haven't really done that.

Which is all right because again. Reality is interchangable. All reality is the concensus of the Majority. That's the Lore. Read Pelinials? Song. He is the best representation of this.

Think of it this way. Thought alters reality; Reality Alters Thought. Whichever proves stronger prevails. (But seriously don't actually alter reality, just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you should).

[DrNewcenstein]

The Towers are mentioned in the Prophecy Esbern speaks of, and which is written in the Book of the Dragonborn found in the game.

"When misrule takes its place at the eight corners of the world" refers to the events of Elder Scrolls I: Arena where the Staff of Chaos is divided into eight pieces and scattered.

"When the Brass Tower walks and Time is reshaped" refers to the events of Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall where the Brass God (originally Dwarven Numidium) is operated and the possible endings.

"When the thrice-blessed fail and the Red Tower trembles" refers to the events of Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind where the Tribunal, the three Dunmer gods: Vivec, Almalexia and Sotha sil who acquired their immortality through the Heart of Lorkhan, lose their immortality after the Heart is destroyed and perhaps the following events that lead to the eruption of the Red Mountain.

"When the Dragonborn Ruler loses his throne, and the White Tower falls" refers to the events of Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion which leads to the Imperial City being left without a dragonborn ruler and the temporary occupation of the city (with White Tower as its symbol) by Mehrunes Dagon's forces.

"When the Snow Tower lies sundered, kingless, bleeding" refers, of course, to the current events of Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim where Skyrim (with Throat of the World, or Snow Tower, as its symbol) is "sundered" due to civil war, its High King Torryg is killed by Ulfric and the province is essentially bleeding.

Taken from the UESP discussion topic.