Can anyone recommend performance friendly enb?

[HNTR]

After having thousands of hours in oldrim already I finally decided to buy se as well. So far so good. I downloaded most of the mods that I used in oldrim that are also available as a SE version and I wanted to give ENBs a try as well since SE seems to be more stable overall. I tried one ENB preset that I always wanted to try out but sadly it decreased my performance to a rate of 35 to 45 fps even with trying out all the graphic settings from ultra to low. The ENB preset I was testing was Rudy ENB (the CoT version if I recall correctly because it was shown in the instruction video as well) because I found that always looking the most appealing to me (mainly due to the lighting effects and how it works on the character's and NPC's skins and making them look exactly like in the screenshots of all those skin texture mods). While I think that the performance is okay for me it may not be okay for others and when I want to livestream it will most likely bother people. I would appreciate it highly if anyone could help me out on finding an ENB that is similar to the previous one but is a bit more friendly on performance. Yes, I know I should probably use lighting enhancement mods instead of an ENB judging by responses I looked up in the discussions regarding fps issues but all of these lighting mods don't have the same effects as some ENBs. I also tried changing the Vsync stuff in the ini file and setting stuff in my graphics card's control options as instructed by others but sadly nothing could resolve my problem. (I did get like 5 fps more but that isn't enough for everyone else)
However I already used ELFX and another lighting mod of which I have forgotten the name of (but don't worry, they never conflicted with eachother nor did it impact performance in any ways as I got stable 62 fps on high settings plus a HD texture mod) in oldrim and I wasn't actually entirely satisfied with it since my skin and that of other characters never looked like in the preview screenshots of retexture mods since everyone is using an ENB. Also wasn't satisfied with on how certain weather or lighting effects played out. (they were a bit too dull in my opinion) I don't know how to describe it but I'd like an allthough more "creamy" and cinematic look as I always find Skyrim too gray and washed out. (even with previously counted lighting mods)
So if anyone knows a lighter ENB preset that is similar to the Rudy ENB one or good lighting alternatives that accel the same effects as this preset please let me know.
I know my system specs might not be that good (not even on an average considering it's almost 2020) but I sadly can't afford anything high end at the moment (I actually jumped from a very weak system not optimized for running games to this one like 3 years ago so I could run mainly Guild Wars 2 better, which was a full success as it would run at 60 to 100+ fps on higher settings, and even back then I had a low budget of roughly 800 to 1000€) but here are my system details anyways. (By the way: Even a game like Monster Hunter World runs fine on medium for me and that is one of the newer games)
Graphics: GeForce GTX 1050 (the newest driver is installed of course)
Processor: AMD FX 6300 Six-Core-Processor
Memory: 16GB RAM
Screen Resolution: 1920x1080, 60Hz

So anyways, thanks in advance and I apologize if there are mistakes or if the text looks messy. First of all English isn't my native language and I haven't gotten any sleep this night as I tried resolving the problem.
Thanks for reading
Wishing everyone a nice day

[Doom Sayer]

Not much can be done to improve enb performance. I use
amd 2700x
gtx 1660ti
16g ram 3000mhz
I get lows of around 50 fps. I only got 60 by lowering my shadows by a lot.

Closest you can get to enb like appearance without enb is reshade. Best bet is probably match reshade preset with correct weather mod or make your own.

Also Skyrim Particle patch for ENB
http://enbseries.enbdev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1499
Its generally advised that you use it if you use weather mods. (It doesnt require enb to work).

If your stubborn as i was you can try disabling ambient occlusion or other effects like dof in ENB, lowering skyrims shadows, etc... However after all my testing performance drop was much to high for the visual improvement.

Info on Reshade is it functions a lot like ENB but with usually low to no performance cost. (unless its adding DOF or ambient occlusion.)

[HNTR]

Alright, thank you for your help. I thought about completely ditching all this ENB stuff and maybe getting a weather and lighting mod as I've seen several comparisons and actually found comparison pictures/videos that don't use any ENB presets so I can see the actual result. So far that seems like a good option to me as I like to make the game a bit more dynamic in lighting and correct certain lighting bahaviour. As i said I despise the gray and washed out look you usually have in Skyrim and I formally had a solution for that in LE where I downloaded lighting mods to enhance saturation a bit and to make interiors, nights dungeons darker. My dungeon and night lighting was perfect with that as I prefer to have a realistic cave/dungeon/night that is so dark that you actually always need to carry a torch around to see. (enhanced the game in gameplay and difficulty for me to be honest which I welcomed)
For now I think I stick to the non enb method and try out some weather mods instead. Haven't used any weather mod in oldrim so I think I try out something new for SE. I think I'll try out ReShade maybe later perhaps as I require to download ReShade externally for that since my SweetFX can't detect Skyrim for some reason as I can't tab out when Skyrim is running. I don't know why ReShade works for me on GW2 despite not having ReShade installed but that might be because I'm only using a preset selector.
Anyways, thanks again for the advice.

[Blonde Travolta]

no enbs are intensive. otherwise i would do myself but seen the immediate frame drops below 60 on my PC

[Doom Sayer]

Never mind the link i posted those presets are super out dated.

[ＳＨＡＤＯＷ２ＫＫ]

Originally posted by obidogo:

no enbs are intensive. otherwise i would do myself but seen the immediate frame drops below 60 on my PC

Say that again, but slowly....

No ENB`s are intensive? oh really?

[FauxFurry]

Re-Engaged or Mythical ENB (made to be used alongside the Mythical Ages weather mod) are performance friendly ENBs that spruce the visuals up well enough without a huge frame rate hit.
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1089
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11660
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11578

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Originally posted by SHADOW2KK:

Originally posted by obidogo:

no enbs are intensive. otherwise i would do myself but seen the immediate frame drops below 60 on my PC

Say that again, but slowly....

No ENB`s are intensive? oh really?

Not really directed at you personally, but just kind of expanding on the general thought of this post train, as a lot of modding amateurs wonder why their "UBER PC" has massive performance issues with some ENBs.

Most ENBs don't account for the API side bottlenecks that exist in all games, but particularly the drawcall heavy Bethesda games. It's why Shadows consistently create the worst performance impact. (Shadows are nearly as heavy on drawcall pipeline as an entirely new scene, and scale with resolution/FOV). Remember that the shadows are real time, and vary with the lighting, so you can't "Cheat" shadows like most games do by painting them and batching them as a single call. They have to be recalculated and redrawn every frame.

Unfortunately, everything starts at the CPU, so even an ASIC solution like Nvidia's Turing Raytracing cores, while capable of producing much better quality lighting and shadow effects in the same frametime intervals, wouldn't be able to actually increase performance because it still has to receive the instruction batch from the CPU, which itself is decoding the API instructions. Engines would need to be rebuilt, at least partially (Though definitely the renderer at a minimum) in newer APIs like Vulkan and DX12 to mitigate the performance loss.

Only raw speed can brute-force through those kinds of bottlenecks. So high clock intel CPUs perform better. Particularly 9900K, 8700k, and their derivatives like the KS or 8086. AMD has just reached the point where their IPC and Clock Speed is on par with the early Skylakes, but you can crank Intel CPU's up faster more consistently and with less aggressive cooling. This is why something like a 2700X, despite being "On Paper" around 2-4 times more powerful than a 7700k, may perform slightly worse on a game that is still fundamentally a 2-3core dependent game.

[HNTR]

Alright, I found a weather mod to my liking and it looks like I got a perfect match so far. I decided to use Aequinoctium alongside the ELFX lighting mod and I have little (I still get a few drops in certain places like Riften for example but that applied to Oldrim as well and is an issue for everyone as far as I heard) to no performance loss compared to any ENB. Even if the mod page states that they're not campatible but it only applies for the weather module of ELFX so I didn't install that one and only used the interior stuff for darker dungeons as I prefer it that way. I don't think that I need to use an ENB for the DOF effect as I saw that it already is a thing in SE.
Made a new character and save as well.
Here's the result:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1931569586

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1931569523

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1931569264

[Doom Sayer]

Originally posted by FauxFurry:

Re-Engaged or Mythical ENB (made to be used alongside the Mythical Ages weather mod) are performance friendly ENBs that spruce the visuals up well enough without a huge frame rate hit.
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1089
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11660
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11578

My issue is even on my pc I get sudden fps drops in skyrim. Drops to low of like 70 with no mods. Textures + trees cause a fps low of 60. ENB decreases the low further. While performance enb is a improvement its not the zero fps cost a reshade can have. I advised op to not bother until they have a much better pc due to the fact I wasted a lot of time testing and fiddling with it/skyrim se's performance. In the end it was a waste of time because was never good enough.

[Blonde Travolta]

@Hobo Interesting. Thank you.

Yes I always found shadows the most intensive settings on games. I never thought like you did say that the reason is that they are real time calculations. But of course how did I missed that. They are dynamic shadows so they must recalculate intensively. Imagine shadow on grass and how much more intensive it becomes.

[Blonde Travolta]

Originally posted by Degeneracy:

Originally posted by FauxFurry:

Re-Engaged or Mythical ENB (made to be used alongside the Mythical Ages weather mod) are performance friendly ENBs that spruce the visuals up well enough without a huge frame rate hit.
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1089
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11660
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11578

My issue is even on my pc I get sudden fps drops in skyrim. Drops to low of like 70 with no mods. Textures + trees cause a fps low of 60. ENB decreases the low further. While performance enb is a improvement its not the zero fps cost a reshade can have. I advised op to not bother until they have a much better pc due to the fact I wasted a lot of time testing and fiddling with it/skyrim se's performance. In the end it was a waste of time because was never good enough.

60 is so fine, stop kidding yourself. I drop sometimes to 30-40 awful gameplay so i dont even touch enbs. 60 is the golden fps.

[Blonde Travolta]

people talk about quests about saves etc. but there is another bad thing about mods mainly the enbs and the like. and that is complex. I hve seen a single mod drop my rate by 30 fps no kidding. I remove it and the fps jumps by 30. no kidding. is insane what those can do to your game

[HNTR]

Originally posted by obidogo:

people talk about quests about saves etc. but there is another bad thing about mods mainly the enbs and the like. and that is complex. I hve seen a single mod drop my rate by 30 fps no kidding. I remove it and the fps jumps by 30. no kidding. is insane what those can do to your game

Oh, that sounds bad. Any idea what mod this was so I can avoid it in the future? :o