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Why are there so many dead Dragons, like a field of them at the Temple of Miraak?
I love Dragons, it's cool to fight and kill them, but I was shocked to see so many of them just dead.
Originally posted by Dracon:
Its a testament to Miraaks nature.
He was/is a Dovahkiin as well. And also a dragon priest of the Dragons empire.
But when he went rogue to carve out his own empire, he cared little for the dragons well being, only using them. That included slaughtering them on the spot to absorb their souls for power.

And so the field of dragon bones is a testament to that end.
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Dracon Nov 11, 2018 @ 3:26pm 
Its a testament to Miraaks nature.
He was/is a Dovahkiin as well. And also a dragon priest of the Dragons empire.
But when he went rogue to carve out his own empire, he cared little for the dragons well being, only using them. That included slaughtering them on the spot to absorb their souls for power.

And so the field of dragon bones is a testament to that end.
HoBoMiKe Nov 11, 2018 @ 5:27pm 
why would the dragons allow a dragonborn to be a dragon priest? thats the thing i never got...


why would you worship something that is within your power to not only kill, but to SUBJUGATE?
Tipoff Giggots Nov 11, 2018 @ 5:33pm 
Originally posted by HoBoMiKe:
why would the dragons allow a dragonborn to be a dragon priest? thats the thing i never got...


why would you worship something that is within your power to not only kill, but to SUBJUGATE?
Greater power maybe, if there was an alliance maybe they could have done things that each cannot do alone.
Rez Elwin Nov 11, 2018 @ 6:15pm 
Originally posted by HoBoMiKe:
why would the dragons allow a dragonborn to be a dragon priest? thats the thing i never got...


why would you worship something that is within your power to not only kill, but to SUBJUGATE?

Being Dragonborn doesn't mean you need to kill or subjugate dragons. They have free will to do and serve whatever they want to do. Miraak rebelled only after making a pact with Hermaeus Mora and learning the Bend Will shout, and other "forbidden" knowledge.

It honestly does make a lot of sense for him to serve the dragons at the time, they ruled Tamriel after leaving Akavir. Better to serve and be a King among men than be a slave.
DrNewcenstein Nov 11, 2018 @ 7:14pm 
I seems to me to be counter-intuitive for Dragons to allow a Dragonborn to become a Dragon Priest, since they are, in essence, enemies by their very nature.

However, Miraak calls himself the first Dragonborn, but who initiated the Dragon Break: the war between mortals and dragons? Did it start as a simple rebellion, or did Miraak instigate it upon receiving the power? The word walls in the crypt that the historian leads you through seems to indicate this, as Miraak is stated as being a traitor.
It is also stated that Kynareth led Paarthurnax to teach Men to Shout, though IIRC it is also stated to have happened after the war started.

Assuming "dragonborn" literally means they were that way from birth, and such power was not bestowed upon them later in life, every dragon would have known the threat he posed since birth, and would have sought him out to destroy him, especially given the prophecy of the Akavir, which had to have been known by dragons of the time.

Given that, Miraak had to have been given the mantle of dragonborn sometime later. Hermaus Mora could not have granted it, as it's not his to grant, unless he holds an Elder Scroll and used that to do it, though it's not known if Daedra can even interact with them.
Rez Elwin Nov 11, 2018 @ 7:48pm 
Originally posted by DrNewcenstein:
I seems to me to be counter-intuitive for Dragons to allow a Dragonborn to become a Dragon Priest, since they are, in essence, enemies by their very nature.

However, Miraak calls himself the first Dragonborn, but who initiated the Dragon Break: the war between mortals and dragons? Did it start as a simple rebellion, or did Miraak instigate it upon receiving the power? The word walls in the crypt that the historian leads you through seems to indicate this, as Miraak is stated as being a traitor.
It is also stated that Kynareth led Paarthurnax to teach Men to Shout, though IIRC it is also stated to have happened after the war started.

Assuming "dragonborn" literally means they were that way from birth, and such power was not bestowed upon them later in life, every dragon would have known the threat he posed since birth, and would have sought him out to destroy him, especially given the prophecy of the Akavir, which had to have been known by dragons of the time.

Given that, Miraak had to have been given the mantle of dragonborn sometime later. Hermaus Mora could not have granted it, as it's not his to grant, unless he holds an Elder Scroll and used that to do it, though it's not known if Daedra can even interact with them.



Did the Dragons even know though? The first dragon you kill didn't know you were dragonborn until you kill him and it's too late. Him being the first it could be they didn't know. You would assume they would because Paarthurnax says he can feel it in you, as the DragonBorn has the soul of a Dragon, yet again Mirmulnir doesn't realize until too late. Maybe only exceptionally strong dragons can?

Maybe I’m remembering wrong but I don't think a dragon break happened to start the war? From what I know the war started because the Nords rebelled then Miraak ALSO rebelled on his own, he didn’t cooperate with the Nords and was doing his own thing at the time. He refused to help the ancient heroes by using Bend Will so they had to invent Dragonrend and use an Elder Scroll.

Paarthurnax did indeed teach men to shout but Dragonborns don't need to be taught, they know a word upon seeing it once, and after absorbing some power from a Dragon use it to shout without any training at all. However many powerful Draugr can shout, so maybe priests and their followers could shout as well, maybe Paarthurnax ment he thought this secret to the Nords rebelling. I have to assume that's the case because Miraak only rebleed AFTER he learned Bend Will so he must have already had the knowledge to shout, and I doubt the Dragons didn't notice that.

The prophecy on Alduin’s wall was created in the First Era, while the Dragon war happened in the Merethic Era, so unless the Dragons can actually see into the future I doubt the knew about that.
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DrNewcenstein Nov 11, 2018 @ 7:55pm 
Valid points there. I sit corrected.
MysticMalevolence Nov 11, 2018 @ 8:14pm 
Originally posted by HoBoMiKe:
why would the dragons allow a dragonborn to be a dragon priest? thats the thing i never got...


why would you worship something that is within your power to not only kill, but to SUBJUGATE?
They might have not known.
Or alternatively, they may have thought Miraak was worthy of their respect due to being the only human with a dragon soul, or else they felt it was safer to keep him as an ally--presumably the dragonborn's ability to eat other dragon souls is something all dragons have, so they might have felt it was better to appease him rather than challenge him.

Remember, this was before any prophecies. This was the first ever dragonborn. Not even Alduin would have known what he was truly capable of, what he would do when Hermaeus Mora whispered in his ear. Until Herma-Mora's influence, Miraak probably walked like a god among men--but still felt like a man among gods when it came to the dragons.

Originally posted by DrNewcenstein:
However, Miraak calls himself the first Dragonborn, but who initiated the Dragon Break: the war between mortals and dragons? Did it start as a simple rebellion, or did Miraak instigate it upon receiving the power? The word walls in the crypt that the historian leads you through seems to indicate this, as Miraak is stated as being a traitor.
Miraak's lore is a bit of a clusterflack, as it's clear he was kind of inserted into the established continuity after the fact. However if you slay Alduin before meeting him, he mentions that the three heroes that fought Alduin approached him for help first.
That tells us three things:
1) That the heroes had reason to believe Miraak would want to help them; he likely turned traitor before this point.
2) That Miraak was already under the influence of Hermaeus Mora; likely why he turned traitor.
3) Miraak was not part of a concentrated rebellion effort. He wasn't helping anyone. He was just a traitor for his own megalomaniacal reasons.

It's possible that he inspired the rebellion by turning traitor, and showing the people that dragons could be beaten, but It's not likely that he personally instigated it. After all, his intention was to enslave Solstheim.

the prophecy of the Akavir, which had to have been known by dragons of the time.
Why? Akavir was across an ocean and, as far as I know the prophecy doesn't show up in tamrielic history until the 28th century of the first era (by comparison, Forelhost, the last Dragon Cult stronghold, fell in the 2nd century). Thus we have no reason to believe it existed during the dragon empire. The prophecy also specifies the last dragonborn, so there is no reason to suspect the first of being dangerous.
Rez Elwin Nov 11, 2018 @ 8:21pm 
Originally posted by #2_:3:
Originally posted by Rez Elwin:
Paarthurnax says he can feel it in you, as the DragonBorn has the soul of a Dragon, yet again Mirmulnir
It may be possible that the dragon soul Paarthurnax can feel in you is in fact the soul of Mirmulnir which you absorbed.

Never thought of that but I don’t think so. A "Dragonborn" is described as a being with the blood and soul of a dragon in a mortal body. While we might not have actual dragon blood(both are red though) we do have the Soul of one. Mirmulnir’s soul might become part of our soul, but Paarthurnax would only be referring to the Dragonborn in my opinion.
jancawa55 Nov 12, 2018 @ 1:59am 
wow, you guys sure read between the lines
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