Dark Face Bug

[rogere1164]

I am having an issue with vampires having a dark face. I have read all the posts and found that most are outdated. I have tried the mod "Dark Face Fix" and have tried GECK Ctrl F4 and tried deleting the .esm file from the facegen folders (all that did was give more random npc's the problem). Using setnpcweight does work but its useless on vampires because they are trying to kill you
This is my load order :
0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
254 FE 0 ccbgssse002-exoticarrows.esl
254 FE 1 ccbgssse014-spellpack01.esl
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
6 6 3DNPC.esp
7 7 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
8 8 Forgotten DungeonsSSE.esm
9 9 BOSSE.esm
10 a Campfire.esm
11 b SexLab.esm
12 c FlowerGirls SE.esm
13 d OSA.esm
14 e ZaZAnimationPack.esm
15 f Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
16 10 SkyUI_SE.esp
17 11 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
18 12 ELFX - Exteriors.esp
19 13 Immersive Wenches.esp
20 14 TrueStormsSE.esp
21 15 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
22 16 KS Hairdo's.esp
23 17 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-L2.esp
24 18 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Darker.esp
25 19 JKs Skyrim.esp
26 1a MagicalCollegeofWinterhold.esp
27 1b ProudspiremanorTNF.esp
28 1c Cutting Room Floor.esp
29 1d ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
30 1e SimplerKnock.esp
31 1f Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp
32 20 Dawnguard Delayed - Level 30.esp
33 21 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
34 22 CBBE.esp
35 23 FNIS.esp
36 24 BOSSE_SOSpatch.esp
254 FE 2 3DNPC0.esp
37 25 SexyMannequinsFemale_SSE.esp
38 26 SOS - Female Pubics.esp
39 27 runandwalkpaces.esp
40 28 SOSRaceMenu.esp
41 29 SeranaDialogAddon.esp
42 2a Rayg_NoBYOHAttacks.esp
254 FE 3 Black Books Begone.esp
43 2b SexyMannequinsFemaleHF_SSE.esp
44 2c RM Light Glass.esp
45 2d AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
46 2e Delayed Dragonborn.esp
47 2f Footprints.esp
48 30 SilentSneakAttack.esp
49 31 icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
254 FE 4 MeridiaRevoiced.esp
50 32 HearthfireMultiKid.esp
51 33 AI Overhaul.esp
52 34 BreezehomeByLupus.esp
53 35 lamposts of skyrim.esp
54 36 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
55 37 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
56 38 hearthfireextended.esp
57 39 point the way.esp
58 3a HF_Lakeview_PHB_EX.esp
59 3b Immersive Weapons.esp
60 3c Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp
254 FE 5 Qw_AIOverhaul_CRF Patch.esp
61 3d Bijin Warmaidens.esp
62 3e TKAA.esp
63 3f Thora.esp
64 40 male npc overahul se.esp
65 41 MBWSFollowersReplacer.esp
66 42 ai overhaul patch.esp
67 43 SexLabDefeat.esp
254 FE 6 SexlabLightMeUp.esp
68 44 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
69 45 Craftable Crossbows x2.esp
70 46 JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
71 47 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
72 48 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
73 49 DibellasCompulsion-NudeSpell-1-1.esp
74 4a Nieve.esp
75 4b se_dontrecruitme.esp
76 4c cloaks&capes.esp
254 FE 7 Qw_CloaksAndCapes_CRF Patch.esp
77 4d 50 more perk points.esp
78 4e lefthandrings.esp
79 4f ModularArmorSE.esp
80 50 LazyItemEdit.esp
81 51 LazyBodyEdit.esp
254 FE 8 GoToBed.esp
82 52 QuickLight.esp
254 FE 9 fox-DisableAutoAim.esp
83 53 voidLetsGetNaked.esp
84 54 No Killmoves, No Killcams, No Killbites.esp
85 55 RaceMenu.esp
86 56 XPMSE.esp
87 57 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
88 58 sptdiverseguardsskyrimse.esp
89 59 Dracos Hearthfire Homes Lakeview.esp
254 FE a Qw_3DNPC_USSEP Patch.esp
90 5a Raven Rock Reborn.esp
91 5b Orlando Heljarchen Walls - Buildable Ver02b.esp
92 5c DoubleBedsAreForTwoPeople.esp
93 5d HF_Windstad_PHB_EX.esp
94 5e Dracos Hearthfire Homes Windstad.esp
254 FE b HotChicks have HotSisters.esp
95 5f HF_Heljarchen_PHBXB1_EX.esp
96 60 LADX_SSE.esp
254 FE c JKs Skyrim_Cutting Room Floor_Patch.esp
97 61 dragon home.esp
98 62 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
99 63 middenexpandedlitesse.esp
100 64 MS Lein Followers.esp
101 65 DisarmorShout.esp
254 FE d Delphine's Map Reveals Dragon Mounds.esp
102 66 HFE-CRF-Patch.esp
103 67 College students.esp
104 68 SexLab Romance.esp
105 69 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
106 6a alternate start - live another life.esp
107 6b ELFXEnhancer.esp
108 6c RealisticWaterTwo.esp
109 6d Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
254 FE e RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp

[rogere1164]

What is VHR ? And @DarkestLight my load order is on page 1 of this post and just to emphasise it is random no name vampires only that have the issue

[DarkestLight]

Publicado originalmente por rogere1164:

What is VHR ? And @DarkestLight my load order is on page 1 of this post

Check out my 2nt post on page 2. The causes for your problems and DEADs problems are completely different. VHR is Vanilla Hair Replacer, but its not causing your issues.

[rogere1164]

Yeah I have already tried deleting the .esm files in facegendata but that just caused the same problem with any npc so I'm leaving that one alone

[rogere1164]

OK so it looks like I'll have to find a user manual for xEdit then use it to find out what is causing this issue............yay

[DarkestLight]

Publicado originalmente por DEAD RaNgEr 888:

both pandorable and bijin is placed under VHR and other npc overhaul mods, both mod and eps.

I installed VHR and am already running everything Pandorable and Bijin, all of them work flawlessly for me (except I did note 1 vampire cattle with a problem. VHR has a patch for 3 npcs in Pandorables Dawnguard, it was probably one of those 3 NPCs as I did not test with that patch).

Are you absolutely sure you don't have unmanaged facegen files in your data folder? Except for some freak combination of mods causing a problem with SSEs finicky facegen its the only explanation I can think of for your problems.

Outside of that your only last ditch efforts to fix this problem would be to redownload and reinstall Pandorable/Bijin/VHR, to completely purge SSE (including manually deleting the data folder) and start over, or to try abandoning Pandorable/Bijin or VHR.

[DEAD RaNgEr 888]

Publicado originalmente por DarkestLight:

Publicado originalmente por DEAD RaNgEr 888:

both pandorable and bijin is placed under VHR and other npc overhaul mods, both mod and eps.

I installed VHR and am already running everything Pandorable and Bijin, all of them work flawlessly for me (except I did note 1 vampire cattle with a problem. VHR has a patch for 3 npcs in Pandorables Dawnguard, it was probably one of those 3 NPCs as I did not test with that patch).

Are you absolutely sure you don't have unmanaged facegen files in your data folder? Except for some freak combination of mods causing a problem with SSEs finicky facegen its the only explanation I can think of for your problems.

Outside of that your only last ditch efforts to fix this problem would be to redownload and reinstall Pandorable/Bijin/VHR, to completely purge SSE (including manually deleting the data folder) and start over, or to try abandoning Pandorable/Bijin or VHR.

when i click on an npc while in console command then it says that last reference was changed by skyrim.esm. i have cheched my data folder and there is no facegen files there since i have deleted them before. would there be some files in appdata folder?

ps: i use diversity a character overhaul as main npc overhaul, all the faces are brown but they have their hair when i use VHR, even with the correct patch

[rogere1164]

Um I don't use Pandorable and the only Bijin is warmaidens (and I had this issue long before using this) and I don't use VHR and this play through was a complete reinstall of skyrim including deleting the main game folder and uninstalling all the mods from Vortex.

[DarkestLight]

Publicado originalmente por DEAD RaNgEr 888:

when i click on an npc while in console command then it says that last reference was changed by skyrim.esm. i have cheched my data folder and there is no facegen files there since i have deleted them before. would there be some files in appdata folder?

ps: i use diversity a character overhaul as main npc overhaul, all the faces are brown but they have their hair when i use VHR, even with the correct patch

Refs are rarely changed by anything other then the mod that they are from. The ref ID just controls the spawn location of the NPC/item for the most part. The base ID should be registering as last edited by Pandorable, Bijin or a patch, its the base ID that needs to match the facegen data.

Are you testing with VHR, Pandorable and Bijin active?

Publicado originalmente por rogere1164:

Um I don't use Pandorable and the only Bijin is warmaidens (and I had this issue long before using this) and I don't use VHR and this play through was a complete reinstall of skyrim including deleting the main game folder and uninstalling all the mods from Vortex.

Anything I post in response to DEAD RaNgEr 888 is more or less just for them. You two have the same symptoms but different causes. I apologize for any confusion I have caused you and for using your thread so casually.

In your case I would disable all of your mods in Vortex. I'm not talking about disabling esps, disable the mods in Vortex and deploy to completely remove the esps, meshes, textures, etc in the data folder. After that launch the game and see if the issue persists without any mods.

If you have no issues then reintroduce 5-10 mods at a time, launch SSE and see if your issue is back. If not introduce 5-10 more and test again.

Once you have an issue again you will have narrowed down the mods causing your issue.

[DEAD RaNgEr 888]

Publicado originalmente por DarkestLight:

Publicado originalmente por DEAD RaNgEr 888:

when i click on an npc while in console command then it says that last reference was changed by skyrim.esm. i have cheched my data folder and there is no facegen files there since i have deleted them before. would there be some files in appdata folder?

ps: i use diversity a character overhaul as main npc overhaul, all the faces are brown but they have their hair when i use VHR, even with the correct patch

Refs are rarely changed by anything other then the mod that they are from. The ref ID just controls the spawn location of the NPC/item for the most part. The base ID should be registering as last edited by Pandorable, Bijin or a patch, its the base ID that needs to match the facegen data.

Are you testing with VHR, Pandorable and Bijin active?

yes. i have also tried to test my main npc overhaul mod on a test profile with bijin and pandorable disabled. didnt work there too. atleast the npcs had hair.

[rogere1164]

Let me read up on xEdit and learn how to use it so I can check for conflicts

[DarkestLight]

Publicado originalmente por DEAD RaNgEr 888:

yes. i have also tried to test my main npc overhaul mod on a test profile with bijin and pandorable disabled. didnt work there too. atleast the npcs had hair.

I'm at a loss. You seem to be doing everything correctly, even before my advice. Does completely removing VHR and its patches fix your NPCs?

[Uncle64]

@rogere1164 how do it go for you.

If I was you, I should tell Vortex to turn off all your mods.
And manually delete your Data folder in steam. Let steam download it again.
Clean your masters.
Start over.

I think you can export your modlist in Vortex and remake it.

And when you install your mods again. Make sure that you install them in the order they must be installed.

I also did find this page on Nexus for you.
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/articles/1034

[rogere1164]

Publicado originalmente por rogere1164:

Um I don't use Pandorable and the only Bijin is warmaidens (and I had this issue long before using this) and I don't use VHR and this play through was a complete reinstall of skyrim including deleting the main game folder and uninstalling all the mods from Vortex.

I have already done this and interesting thing is according to xEdit KS Hair does not conflict with anything (although I did drop it down the load order). Unfortunately it's the main DLC's that conflict but I'm not going to try a make a patch (because if I could we wouldn't be having this discussion )

And thank you for giving me a better understanding of xEdit

[rogere1164]

Good news. The mod Immersive College of Winterhold has a Black Face Patching guide that has some very good information in it