The unrealistic immersion behind Frostfall-Hypothermia

[Blonde Travolta]

Some people complain that they can't play Skyrim without Frostfall. Because it only makes it so much realistic to get frost bitten and hypothermic when swimming in the glacial waters of the north Skyrim sea. Hallelujah.

And these folks swear they cannot play Skyrim with the vanilla realism so they take extensive measures to overcome the difficulties.

Like for example they will visit the beaches of Winterhold fully prepared with food, drinks, bedrolls, cooking pots, you name it. They would say that now they could swim from the beach of Winterhold to one of the nearby islands if they eat a good one or two of hot potato soups. All hail the hot potato. Then after they come out of the frigid waters they will quickly set up a fire and a whole camp with the supplies they muled over the water with them.

I can say only one thing. Please don't try this at home.

[Ihateeverybody]

Anyone who thinks a Video Game prepares them for real life is a lost cause. It's called natural selection. In my day we had unlabled cleaning products and accessible power outlets to thin the herd. Now we just have Smart Phones and the inability to look away to get rid of stupid people.

I really hate humans.

[Blonde Travolta]

Frostfall just replaces one unrealistic system with another unrealistic system. And by doing so actually makes the game very tedious. And at the end it is as unrealistic as vanilla.

Skyrim was never meant to be realistic. No game is meant to be such. Just enjoy it as is on your couch and don't bother yourself with tedious repetitive tasks.

[RadCon One]

Originally posted by obidogo:

Frostfall just replaces one unrealistic system with another unrealistic system. And by doing so actually makes the game very tedious. And at the end it is as unrealistic as vanilla.

Skyrim was never meant to be realistic. No game is meant to be such. Just enjoy it as is on your couch and don't bother yourself with tedious repetitive tasks.

There may be unrealistic components to it, but it increases the realism overall by a large factor.

[Blonde Travolta]

Originally posted by Entropy:

There may be unrealistic components to it, but it increases the realism overall by a large factor.

And it also makes the game very tedious by even a larger factor.

[RadCon One]

Originally posted by obidogo:

Originally posted by Entropy:

There may be unrealistic components to it, but it increases the realism overall by a large factor.

And it also makes the game very tedious by even a larger factor.

The tedium part is subjective, I personally am ok with having to place down a campfire and shelter in bad storms and having to think through how to get to where I am going as just diving headfirst into a river will lead to me freezing faster.

[Blonde Travolta]

Originally posted by Entropy:

The tedium part is subjective, I personally am ok with having to place down a campfire and shelter in bad storms and having to think through how to get to where I am going as just diving headfirst into a river will lead to me freezing faster.

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy setting up a campfire too. But not every 500 feet.

The mod is largely unoptimized. The parameters feel wrong, the speed feels wrong, the distance feels wrong and so on.

It has to be fine tuned considerably but the author is likely long time inactive nor cares. It feels like a mod without proper testing, hastily done, hastily uploaded, poorly tested for playability. Bear in mind Skyrim is a huge and very long game.

It feels more appropriate to tune down the parameters so that for example if you take a walk from Winterhold to Windhelm, you should need to setup a camp only once.

Realism can be achieved with little effort. Just once and there is the realism the same level. You got your camp, you warmed up and can continue.

But the parameters are so off reality that you have to set up camps every 3 minutes or so. Every 500 feet. Laughable. Like I said the mod itself introduces a bunch of unrealistic parameters. It needs testing and more rigorous work, not just throwing out a bunch of meshes to the public.

[Uncle64]

I give you this. This is the only time I agree whit you.
Frostfall is CRAP and should not be used since it is NOT immersive. It is one terrible crap mod that dont work at all, I did take my car and run over it.
You will not freeze to death when running between Ivarstead and Helgen. That is by nature impossible. But whit frostfall you can do that. Omg.

That comes from one person that lives in the North.

[Ihateeverybody]

Anybody remember when Pentium Chips first came out and old games that would run on a 386-486 chipset ran too fast? Had to use Moslo and other utilities to add cycles to give the processor more to do?

The human mind SOMETIMES runs on a similar rythem (not the word I want but will do for my statement). Some people need additional stimulation (now that's the right word) to effectively enjoy something.

Frostfall works for many people. Those it doesn't....well they don't have to use it. Campfire works just as well without Frostfall (though Frostfall doesn't work without campfire).

[RadCon One]

Originally posted by Uncle64:

I give you this. This is the only time I agree whit you.
Frostfall is CRAP and should not be used since it is NOT immersive. It is one terrible crap mod that dont work at all, I did take my car and run over it.
You will not freeze to death when running between Ivarstead and Helgen. That is by nature impossible. But whit frostfall you can do that. Omg.

That comes from one person that lives in the North.

Helgen is in an area high up enough an cold enough to snow, and you have to remember that the map you play on isn't the true map, it is significantly scaled down.

That aside, there are add on mods for frostfall that let you modify each region's general "coldness" levels (along with adding seasons and such), and the mod itself lets you edit how quickly exposure occurs overall.

[Ihateeverybody]

Originally posted by Uncle64:

I give you this. This is the only time I agree whit you.
Frostfall is CRAP and should not be used since it is NOT immersive. It is one terrible crap mod that dont work at all, I did take my car and run over it.
You will not freeze to death when running between Ivarstead and Helgen. That is by nature impossible. But whit frostfall you can do that. Omg.

That comes from one person that lives in the North.

Oh man.....Human body operates at around 90 degrees Farenheit (Look up the real number). Cold is usually considered anything below 30 (not 30 below) (Your refrigerator is around 32 degrees) again farenheit.

Next time its around 10-20 degrees FARENHEIT just go head and walk about 5-10 miles without heavy weather gear. Just a jeans jacket or something.

yes I know I am misspelling Farenheit Steam....just go with it.

[Blonde Travolta]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

Frostfall works for many people

I believe very few people are really using it for the whole playthrough. For the above mentioned reasons, excessively tedious as hell. Yes it has a lot of downloads but this does not mean it is widely played with from A to Z. Even I tried it.

[Ihateeverybody]

Funny story by the way. That modder who made Frostfall.....yeah he made Survival Mode for Skyrim CC. Goes by Chesko (sp?) I don't think he's allowed to communicate anymore if he got that job he was gunning for (with Bethesda).

[Blonde Travolta]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

Funny story by the way. That modder who made Frostfall.....yeah he made Survival Mode for Skyrim CC. Goes by Chesko (sp?) I don't think he's allowed to communicate anymore if he got that job he was gunning for (with Bethesda).

Oh cool for him, now he will learn how to make properly game features under the supervision of the masters from Bethesda.

[RadCon One]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

Funny story by the way. That modder who made Frostfall.....yeah he made Survival Mode for Skyrim CC. Goes by Chesko (sp?) I don't think he's allowed to communicate anymore if he got that job he was gunning for (with Bethesda).

That was all hearsay last I heard about it, there is no actual proof he did it, he is just the best known survival related modder, and so some people claim it is him.

[Ihateeverybody]

Originally posted by Entropy:

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

Funny story by the way. That modder who made Frostfall.....yeah he made Survival Mode for Skyrim CC. Goes by Chesko (sp?) I don't think he's allowed to communicate anymore if he got that job he was gunning for (with Bethesda).

That was all hearsay last I heard about it, there is no actual proof he did it, he is just the best known survival related modder, and so some people claim it is him.

Really, regardless it makes a good Campfire story (see what i did there, I referenced another of his mods).