can not upgrade the second time

[LazySpace]

i upgraded my nordic bow once. but when i tried to it for the second time the game says that i lack the skill. even though i have the 1st perk in smithing

[Rez Elwin]

If it is a Nordic bow and not an ancient nordic bow that is the problem, Nordic weapons require the Advanced Armor perk.

Also how much higher is your skill since the last time you upgraded? You need a minimum skill with or without the perks to reach the next tempering "tier" It doesn't mean you can temper somthing twice.

[Chaotic Harmony]

How much you can improve weapons and armor is based on your level and the material. So if you're only level 30 then you're not going to be able to improve weapons above fine-superior

[Perplex]

Originally posted by Chaotic Harmony:

How much you can improve weapons and armor is based on your level and the material. So if you're only level 30 then you're not going to be able to improve weapons above fine-superior

It is based on your smithing skill not your level.

Also OP if you previously used smithing gear/potions to boost the skill level and you are not doing that now you might actually have lower skill this time around than you did before.

[SpeedFreak1972]

Originally posted by Perplex:

Originally posted by Chaotic Harmony:

How much you can improve weapons and armor is based on your level and the material. So if you're only level 30 then you're not going to be able to improve weapons above fine-superior

It is based on your smithing skill not your level.

Also OP if you previously used smithing gear/potions to boost the skill level and you are not doing that now you might actually have lower skill this time around than you did before.

That depends on mods really I can name a few mods that alter those requirements. I mean I know mods were you need certain perks.

[LazySpace]

it is still shown i lack the skill. i cant temper any weapon for the 2nd time. even though i have the perk to upgrade twice

[Garatgh Deloi]

Smithing in the base game: How effective tempering items will be are based on your smithing level (can be boosted with enchantments, rare magical effects and potions) and on the perk for the material (there is 1 perk that makes a difference for each material, there are no perk to "upgrade twice" nor are such a perk needed).

Scenario 1: If the second upgrade does not make enough of a difference then the game won't allow you to do it, it needs to reach a new threshold (from Flawless to Epic for example). That said, there are thresholds after legendary that does not have a name (With enough boosts you can upgrade a legendary item further but it will still have the legendary quality/title/whatever).

Scenario 2: If you enchanted the item and do not have the perk that allows you to upgrade enchanted equipment then the game will not allow you to do it (The perk is called "Arcane Blacksmith: You can improve magical weapons and armor"). You can upgrade items and then enchant them without that perk, but not upgrade already enchanted equipment.

[Chaotic Harmony]

Originally posted by Perplex:

Originally posted by Chaotic Harmony:

How much you can improve weapons and armor is based on your level and the material. So if you're only level 30 then you're not going to be able to improve weapons above fine-superior

It is based on your smithing skill not your level.

Also OP if you previously used smithing gear/potions to boost the skill level and you are not doing that now you might actually have lower skill this time around than you did before.

I should have been clearer "your current smithing level" is what i was intending.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by LazySpace:

it is still shown i lack the skill. i cant temper any weapon for the 2nd time. even though i have the perk to upgrade twice

As I stated in my original post that perk does NOT mean you can temper somthing twice. All it does is essentially double your smithing skill when you do improve that item. You need to increase your skill some more on order to make the weapon stronger.

[Chaotic Harmony]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

Originally posted by LazySpace:

it is still shown i lack the skill. i cant temper any weapon for the 2nd time. even though i have the perk to upgrade twice

As I stated in my original post that perk does NOT mean you can temper somthing twice. All it does is essentially double your smithing skill when you do improve that item. You need to increase your skill some more on order to make the weapon stronger.

And without mods or exploits you won't be able to improve it past a certain point anyway; don't remember exactly where the cutoff is but I remember Dwarven swords being able to be improved well past Steel with identical perks and smithing skill.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by Chaotic Harmony:

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

As I stated in my original post that perk does NOT mean you can temper somthing twice. All it does is essentially double your smithing skill when you do improve that item. You need to increase your skill some more on order to make the weapon stronger.

And without mods or exploits you won't be able to improve it past a certain point anyway; don't remember exactly where the cutoff is but I remember Dwarven swords being able to be improved well past Steel with identical perks and smithing skill.

Weapons can be improved to "Flawless" without perks and "Legendary" with them. It depends entirely on your skill of course but both steel and dwarven can be brought to that quality however dwarven has a higher base damage so it might seem better but in reality that is just because the weapon is of a higher tier not because you can improve it further. That being said you DO need better smithing to work with dwarven material which may also factor into that.