Dragonsreach: Main quest crash

[Thanatos]

Not used to modding, have a bunch of mods enable. Problem is everytime I walk up to the Jarl in Dragonreach (first time approaching him), which triggers Irileth to approach you, it crashes. The rest of the game works perfectly, I can go into other cities and do missions, but the everytime i come back to do the main quest, it still crashes. Has anyone had this problem before? I can't figure it out, but it may be because (like a noob modder I am) I reinstalled XPMSE. I don't want to have to uninstall all my downloads, only if its the last possible options. Any thoughts? I can give more details if someone is interested to help me.

[DPMR]

Well post (mod list) the order in which mods are loaded. Using loot is the best way. Loot has a menu that will give you a list for us.

[Thanatos]

I do used LOOT, but again I am not an experienced with modding (still a noob), but heres the list. Theres a lot... and thanks for replying

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
6 6 ApachiiHairFemales.esm
7 7 CreatureFramework.esm
8 8 SexLab.esm
9 9 SexLabAroused.esm
10 a Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
11 b Devious Devices - Assets.esm
12 c ApachiiHair.esm
13 d BBLuxurySuite.esm
14 e Falskaar.esm
15 f ZaZAnimationPack.esm
16 10 daymoyl.esm
17 11 FlowerGirls SE.esm
18 12 Immersive Wenches.esp
19 13 SkyUI_SE.esp
20 14 Joy of Perspective.esp
21 15 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
22 16 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
23 17 TouringCarriages.esp
24 18 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
25 19 JoP - Immersive Armors Patch.esp
26 1a XN_MicroBikini.esp
27 1b FlowerGirls SE - IW Patch.esp
28 1c FlowerGirls SE - Bathing Beauties Patch.esp
29 1d BBLS_SKSE64_Patch.esp
30 1e Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
31 1f SkyrimSewers.esp
32 20 Run For Your Lives.esp
33 21 SimpleSlavery.esp
34 22 Immersive Patrols II.esp
35 23 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
36 24 Drinking Fountains of Skyrim for SSE.esp
37 25 WICO - Immersive People.esp
38 26 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp
39 27 TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp
40 28 ForgottenCity.esp
41 29 Immersive Weapons.esp
42 2a MoreNastyCritters.esp
43 2b Bijin_AIO-SV 2018.esp
44 2c Toccata.esp
45 2d Toccata as Elisif.esp
46 2e The Ordinary Women.esp
47 2f Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
48 30 FlowerGirls SE - Adventures.esp
49 31 SOS - Shop.esp
50 32 SexLab Eager NPCs.esp
51 33 BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp
52 34 ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp
53 35 TrueStormsSE.esp
54 36 SexLabDefeat.esp
55 37 SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp
56 38 TDF_AP_IndHookersPlug_In.esp
57 39 SLALAnimObj.esp
58 3a HentaiCreatures.esp
59 3b SexLab Sound FX Replacer.esp
60 3c sr_FillHerUp.esp
61 3d SLSO_F_VP_The Girl Next Door.esp
62 3e SLSO_F_VP_Eliz.esp
63 3f SLSO.esp
64 40 TAWoBA - JOP Patch.esp
65 41 SLSO_F_VP_Maria.esp
66 42 WICO - Wild Hunt Gears.esp
67 43 WICO - Immersive Dawnguard.esp
68 44 WICO - Immersive Character.esp
69 45 RaceMenuHH.esp
70 46 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
71 47 SOSRaceMenu.esp
72 48 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
73 49 RaceMenu.esp
74 4a XPMSE.esp
75 4b RaceMenuPlugin.esp
76 4c CBBE.esp
77 4d RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
78 4e FNISSexyMove.esp
79 4f SLAnimLoader.esp
80 50 SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp
81 51 SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
82 52 Simple Slavery Defeat.esp
83 53 IB - All-in-One.esp
84 54 Immersive Wenches -Apachii hairs- Patch.esp
85 55 FNIS.esp
86 56 Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp
87 57 BDArousalSpells.esp
88 58 BDIC.esp
89 59 High Level Enemies - SIC SE Edition.esp
90 5a High Level Enemies - SIC SE Edition - Falskaar.esp
91 5b RichMerchantsSkyrim_x10.esp
92 5c Werewolves.esp
93 5d Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
94 5e Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
95 5f Immersive Citizens - TC patch.esp
96 60 Immersive Wenches -Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch-.esp
97 61 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
98 62 BBLS-ASLAL.esp
99 63 Open Cities Skyrim.esp
100 64 Immersive Citizens - OCS patch.esp
254 FE 0 OCS + Skyrim Sewers.esp
254 FE 1 OCS + DFoS Comp Patch.esp
101 65 ELFXEnhancer.esp
102 66 Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp
103 67 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

[DPMR]

To many body mods for me, I am lost when they are used.

Hope somebody who knows them can help.

[Thanatos]

Everything helps, since I have no idea where to look. Thanks again, will try disabling a few!

[DPMR]

A thought, have you used xEdit to clean the masters. The master files have some issues that need to be cleaned out, some mods will crash game because of this.

[Thanatos]

Trying that out right now. Got a couple to do, see how it goes.

[Thanatos]

Sadly it didn't work, though now I know how to clean my plugins now. I think I will just uninstall everything and try again. Won't take as long since I have a better idea of what to do. Thanks again for tyring to help me DPMR

[Ryksa]

Decide what mods would you like to keep. Actually I see an awful lot of body mods and a high level of libido of yours. :D They surely conflict with each other. Before downloading a certain mod, it is mostly adviseable to check the description/forum posts about it, where prominent information can hide. I also recommend creating a Bashed Patch in Wrye Bash and put it manually to the last of your mod list via Wrye Bash.

[DPMR]

You have to go back to an old save after you clean, any auto or hard save made will be corrupt.

Of course in saying that you don't really know where the coruption started, which is why you really need to start a new playthrew.

I don't know if you said plugins by mistake for masters, but never never clean a mod or its plugins unless the mod creator says its OK to.

Some things you see as dirty edits, the author has simply left because it either causes no issues or they may use it in an update to the mod.

Some mod updates are just laid onto top of the old mods instead of removing old mod, if you have cleaned out something the author knows is already in place, that could break mod.

[Thanatos]

Ryksa: I do have a lot of body mods, which DPMR said early, which probably is the issue, so the next time I am not going to put as many in... I did start to read the description, but again I am a noob modder, so I started reading them after my 50 mod... rip...I'll look into Wrye Bash this time.

DPMR: I was able to pick that up earlier on, so I have a backs up on my main character, but I am . I did mean masters, not plugins, sorry. I'll look for these dirty edits on when I finish uninstalling these mods. I haven't been modding that long to have to update anything, but I will keep that in mind.

Thanks again for the comments. I decided to uninstall all the mod and start from scratch, seeing as I don't know which mod messed up since I never started the quest till 2-3 hours in.

[Jouchebag]

Originally posted by Thanatos:

Sadly it didn't work, though now I know how to clean my plugins now. I think I will just uninstall everything and try again. Won't take as long since I have a better idea of what to do. Thanks again for tyring to help me DPMR

Thats because it never works. Cleaning the masters has always been an unncessary step recommended by people who are neither avid modders nor mod authors.

You don't need SSEdit or Wrye Bash or anything but LOOT if you simply choose mods that are compatible with each other or have compatibility patches.

My game is 120+ mods, stable, and I didn't clean any dirty edits (because you don't need to) and everything is compatible (because I made tough decisions).

If you want your cake and to eat it as well you better get deeper into understanding modding itself before you start plugging in 100+ mods.

[smr1957]

Originally posted by Jouchebag:

Originally posted by Thanatos:

Sadly it didn't work, though now I know how to clean my plugins now. I think I will just uninstall everything and try again. Won't take as long since I have a better idea of what to do. Thanks again for tyring to help me DPMR

Thats because it never works. Cleaning the masters has always been an unncessary step recommended by people who are neither avid modders nor mod authors. -snip-

That is totally and completely wrong. Only if you are not using any mods is it unnecessary to clean the masters. If you use mods, you must clean the master files.

From the guide:
Why should I do this?
The simple answer is because the original game Master files (.ESM) include multiple references to identical items, but more importantly they also include references to deleted items that can and will interfere with some mods working correctly. What we accomplish by removing these "dirty edits" is a more stable game environment if you are installing mods.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=818230170

Just because one person has not has any issues or problems, does not mean that what they observed applies to all else. We with thousands of hours of experience in the forums have seen otherwise - and that is what we base our advice on, not our individual experiences.

[Valendrion]

Clean your master files. Make sure FNIS and your Skeleton are below your patches.

If your skeleton is being over written you'll CDT going through almost any load screen.

[Jouchebag]

Sorry smr1957, I completely disagree with you.

Even a modicum of research turns over nothing but wobbly information from questionable sources. And as I said, I've modded Skyrim several times with hundreds of different mods and never bothered to clean my masters.

It's not a "it works for me so it works for everyone" thing. It's a "15 minutes of Googling gives no conclusive answer" thing. It's a "don't fix what ain't broke" thing.

Not once have I ever seen someone say "Yay! Cleaning my masters made everything work!" either.

We both know the problems are deeper and more complex than that.

[smr1957]

Originally posted by Jouchebag:

Sorry smr1957, I completely disagree with you.

Even a modicum of research turns over nothing but wobbly information from questionable sources. And as I said, I've modded Skyrim several times with hundreds of different mods and never bothered to clean my masters.

It's not a "it works for me so it works for everyone" thing. It's a "15 minutes of Googling gives no conclusive answer" thing. It's a "don't fix what ain't broke" thing.

Not once have I ever seen someone say "Yay! Cleaning my masters made everything work!" either.

Then you also disagree with Arthmoor, all the other members of the Coffee house group (who possess well over 100,000 hours of total experience), and all others such as Mator, Elminster, as well as all other prominent forum members. And, while everyone is entitled to their opinion, not everyone's opinion is equally valid.

Even a modicum of research will turn up such facts as "we never landed on the moon", "the earth is actually flat", etc, etc, etc. Should people actually believe that? Or should they believe the people who actually know, based upon literally thousands of hours of experience and research.