Tullius ticked me off just now

[Wehr Wulf]

Decided id side with the Empire for the civil war questline. I started the civil war questline after finishing the main story line ( which was WAY WAY shorter than I expected/hoped ) , during the negotiation quest at High Hrothgar I favored the Empire.

Now, Tullius has tasked me with regaining the Reach. As I walked toward the door to begin my mission I heard Tullius say, in a condescending tone, something like.. " You had better make sure we capture Markarth...Afterall, it was YOUR smart strategy to give it away in the first place".... Uhhhh, what?! I never suggested anything of the sort buddy. I didnt so much as say the word Markarth during that meeting!!!
Markarth was demanded by Ulfric as terms for making a temporary peace...I wasnt even given the option of saying "we shouldnt surrender Markarth", i was only asked what I thought should be traded for Markarth. I didnt even suggest Ulfric should ask for a city, it just came out of the blue! He has the audacity to blame me for giving up Markarth and say it was MY strategy?!?!
That ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥......
He completely rewrote the narrative in his head and put the blame on me. I wonder how often this guy does this to people. Some leader he is....
I have half the mind to do the Black Sacrament and have Tullius die in a traggic carraige racing accident.

[MysticMalevolence]

I mean.
The treaty conference was your doing. So, it was kind of your fault.

[Wehr Wulf]

Originally posted by Dylan the Cartographer:

I mean.
The treaty conference was your doing. So, it was kind of your fault.

Damnit, thats a valid point.
UGH

[Legion]

Originally posted by Xepheon<3:

Originally posted by Dylan the Cartographer:

I mean.
The treaty conference was your doing. So, it was kind of your fault.

Damnit, thats a valid point.
UGH

True sons of Skyrim make their own faction and kill both leaders.

but seriously..like both sides are ♥♥♥♥ in their own ways, but both have the same goal in mind.

[Feelsbadman]

My ancestors are smiling upon me imperial can you say the same?

[fmalfeas]

The Empire lacks a legitimate leader, as the nexus of it's strength was always a Dragonborn leader to fuel the compact with Akatosh.

Ulfric would destroy the empire completely given the chance, even though the means to restore both its legitimacy and its nordic heritage /called both sides to a truce meeting/.

Yeah, I'm saying you should take the Imperial Throne, it's the only way to keep the Daedra at bay and make the crazy Thalmor back down.

[Wehr Wulf]

Originally posted by fmalfeas:

The Empire lacks a legitimate leader, as the nexus of it's strength was always a Dragonborn leader to fuel the compact with Akatosh.

Ulfric would destroy the empire completely given the chance, even though the means to restore both its legitimacy and its nordic heritage /called both sides to a truce meeting/.

Yeah, I'm saying you should take the Imperial Throne, it's the only way to keep the Daedra at bay and make the crazy Thalmor back down.

I know its called the "Imperial" Legion and all, but clearly other races are able to join, correct? Nords, Bretons.... in Morrowind I remember Orcs and Dark Elves even. Skyrim would benefit from the Empires military support. Why not allow them to come in, and then install a Nord leader? AKA, have a Nordic "General Tullius"....A Nord would be on the throne, a Nord would be General.... Dont see the problem. Guess its because they had to make a peace treaty with the Thalmor and the Thalmor banned Talos worship as part of the treaty....im sure other stuff in the treaty wasnt fair either.

If the empire wasnt in Skyrim, would there still be a rule against Talos worship? Or is it only enforced within the Imperial Legion and since the Legion is occupying Skyrim, its citizens are forced to obey a treaty the imperials signed?

Im probably not even making sense, I dont even know if my history is correct. I guess I dont know why the gold white treaty was even signed. I wonder if it even had anything to do with Skyrim at all.... Also, I wonder if Talos actually did become a god and should be worshipped. He was mortal, the Aedra dont have any real power left...the Daedra wouldnt have made him an equal, I dont think they could if they wanted to. Im curious how he even became known as a god or if he is just worshipped because of his actions. Im going to Google it now

[Wehr Wulf]

I guess its the simple fact that the imperials / cyrodil have different rules and such that the nords dont want to have to follow. if thats the case, the empire should allow them to follow their customs and such, but still be part of the empire. Guess that causes problems when you have the issue of the white gold treaty though doesnt it.... hmmm....maybe the empire should just leave them be. Focus on cyrodil. build up defenses, make better armor, train better soldiers and let skyrim fend for itself and fall apart.

[tulle040657]

Originally posted by Xepheon<3:

Decided id side with the Empire for the civil war questline. I started the civil war questline after finishing the main story line ( which was WAY WAY shorter than I expected/hoped ) , during the negotiation quest at High Hrothgar I favored the Empire.

Now, Tullius has tasked me with regaining the Reach. As I walked toward the door to begin my mission I heard Tullius say, in a condescending tone, something like.. " You had better make sure we capture Markarth...Afterall, it was YOUR smart strategy to give it away in the first place".... Uhhhh, what?! I never suggested anything of the sort buddy. I didnt so much as say the word Markarth during that meeting!!!
Markarth was demanded by Ulfric as terms for making a temporary peace...I wasnt even given the option of saying "we shouldnt surrender Markarth", i was only asked what I thought should be traded for Markarth. I didnt even suggest Ulfric should ask for a city, it just came out of the blue! He has the audacity to blame me for giving up Markarth and say it was MY strategy?!?!
That son of a ♥♥♥♥♥......
He completely rewrote the narrative in his head and put the blame on me. I wonder how often this guy does this to people. Some leader he is....
I have half the mind to do the Black Sacrament and have Tullius die in a traggic carraige racing accident.

you should have sided with the Forsworn noone else has a valid claim on Skyrim

[Wehr Wulf]

Originally posted by tulle040657:

Originally posted by Xepheon<3:

Decided id side with the Empire for the civil war questline. I started the civil war questline after finishing the main story line ( which was WAY WAY shorter than I expected/hoped ) , during the negotiation quest at High Hrothgar I favored the Empire.

Now, Tullius has tasked me with regaining the Reach. As I walked toward the door to begin my mission I heard Tullius say, in a condescending tone, something like.. " You had better make sure we capture Markarth...Afterall, it was YOUR smart strategy to give it away in the first place".... Uhhhh, what?! I never suggested anything of the sort buddy. I didnt so much as say the word Markarth during that meeting!!!
Markarth was demanded by Ulfric as terms for making a temporary peace...I wasnt even given the option of saying "we shouldnt surrender Markarth", i was only asked what I thought should be traded for Markarth. I didnt even suggest Ulfric should ask for a city, it just came out of the blue! He has the audacity to blame me for giving up Markarth and say it was MY strategy?!?!
That son of a ♥♥♥♥♥......
He completely rewrote the narrative in his head and put the blame on me. I wonder how often this guy does this to people. Some leader he is....
I have half the mind to do the Black Sacrament and have Tullius die in a traggic carraige racing accident.

you should have sided with the Forsworn noone else has a valid claim on Skyrim

if i could i probably would~

[tulle040657]

Originally posted by mpd1958:

I believe all of the continent of Tamriel was occupied by elves before humans ever came.

The only elves that mattered are gone

[Wehr Wulf]

Originally posted by tulle040657:

Originally posted by mpd1958:

I believe all of the continent of Tamriel was occupied by elves before humans ever came.

The only elves that mattered are gone

You said forsworn had true claim over skyrim, and then mpd1958 made the point that elves were around before any version of human/man which includes forsworn...by that he means elves have more of a claim to skyrim than any nord if we are following your logic.
I dont get your statement that the elves are gone...theyre still around...thalmor, bosmer, dunmer.... they all have claim more than the forsworn. theyre all closer related to their ancestors than any man. again, if we are following your logic that is...they hold more claim than forsworn.


Also, what do you mean the only elves that mattered? Which ones mattered? Why didnt they all matter? Do you mean the original race of elves or something like that?

[HoBoMiKe]

tullius is a diamond in the rough: he's well intentioned, and cares about everyone equally, but also is condecsending towards those who are closest to him and doesn't care about talos as much as he should.



ulfric is much the same: he's a brave, fierce warrior, and values his heritige and history more than anyone else in skyrim. however, he's also a bit xenophobic and racist.



once the dragonborn chooses sides though, it's pretty much this in a nutshell:
https://youtu.be/GNP25AQPYuI

[tulle040657]

Originally posted by Xepheon<3:

Originally posted by tulle040657:

The only elves that mattered are gone

You said forsworn had true claim over skyrim, and then mpd1958 made the point that elves were around before any version of human/man which includes forsworn...by that he means elves have more of a claim to skyrim than any nord if we are following your logic.
I dont get your statement that the elves are gone...theyre still around...thalmor, bosmer, dunmer.... they all have claim more than the forsworn. theyre all closer related to their ancestors than any man. again, if we are following your logic that is...they hold more claim than forsworn.


Also, what do you mean the only elves that mattered? Which ones mattered? Why didnt they all matter? Do you mean the original race of elves or something like that?

Only the Dwemer mattered and they left. All other elves are inferior and do not command respect
Skyrim is a game that is supported by steam, and Dwemer used steam. therefor the best elves

(I hope you know I am being silly, you cannot even back the forsworn in the game)

[fmalfeas]

The Empire was founded by Talos of Atmora/Tiber Septim, a Nord. It started in Skyrim, moved the capital to Cyrodil later due to the central location, and absorbed (both peacefully and violently) EVERY other nation around. All of Tamriel was Imperial land.

After the events of Oblivion, the Thalmor overthrew the governor of Summerset and took over, then launched an archmage-backed war upon the Empire. Thanks to the Empire having /dissolved the Mage's Guild/ they really weren't in a state to resist such a mage-heavy army.

They were being ground down, and while odds are they would have won in the long term if they fought to the bitter end, they'd be so crippled by the effort that they may as well have lost anyway, as there would likely be no Legion left to speak of, and the land would be ruined and the people starving. So they got a truce treaty that really sucked, but let them have a chance to build their forces back up, this time /knowing/ what kind of foe was in store.

However, they obviously didn't correct the issue of the mage's guild, still leaving those jokers who do nothing but hoard artifacts and not understand them to be the replacement. So their magical R&D is pathetic.

Putting a fresh Dragonborn on the throne, particularly one actually filled with Shouts and dragon souls, would seriously change things for them.

[Kjas]

Originally posted by Xepheon<3:

Decided id side with the Empire for the civil war questline. I started the civil war questline after finishing the main story line ( which was WAY WAY shorter than I expected/hoped ) , during the negotiation quest at High Hrothgar I favored the Empire.

Now, Tullius has tasked me with regaining the Reach. As I walked toward the door to begin my mission I heard Tullius say, in a condescending tone, something like.. " You had better make sure we capture Markarth...Afterall, it was YOUR smart strategy to give it away in the first place".... Uhhhh, what?! I never suggested anything of the sort buddy. I didnt so much as say the word Markarth during that meeting!!!
Markarth was demanded by Ulfric as terms for making a temporary peace...I wasnt even given the option of saying "we shouldnt surrender Markarth", i was only asked what I thought should be traded for Markarth. I didnt even suggest Ulfric should ask for a city, it just came out of the blue! He has the audacity to blame me for giving up Markarth and say it was MY strategy?!?!
That son of a ♥♥♥♥♥......
He completely rewrote the narrative in his head and put the blame on me. I wonder how often this guy does this to people. Some leader he is....
I have half the mind to do the Black Sacrament and have Tullius die in a traggic carraige racing accident.

Rember the beginning of the game? He's the one who tries to kill you with out a trial. Freedom for Skyrim!