The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition

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Invader Apr 17, 2019 @ 7:28pm
If the player doing every quest is completely canon, the dragonborne is a sociopath.
This is one of those topics i really wish the devs would spring and make some sort of comment. Let bring up a few things that we know about the dragonborn overall. Most of this is copy and paste from the wiki.

Regardless of race and gender, he/she starts with arcane magic. Meaning at some point he has study a little bit of it.

Later in a mission, "No One Escapes Cidhna Mine" we get asked about our family. The response is either they're dead or he doesn't want to talk about them. This is one of the few times we ever get to know about the actual character.

When asked about their life being chain up, besides helgan we get an option to say since we were young always been in trouble.

In The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, The Making of Skyrim, Emil Pagliarulo states that the Last Dragonborn was a "criminal and accused of some crime." which would explain why the Last Dragonborn was captured.

-This is however contradicted by Mark Lampert, who says that they have wiped the Dragonborn's history clean.

Legate Fasendil indicates that the Last Dragonborn originally came from Cyrodiil, but it is unclear if the Dragonborn is using the word "home" as in "their home" or "Fasendil's home."

During a dialogue with Serana about her family, Serana asks about the Dragonborn's family. The following are the available answers:

"They were good people. I miss them."
"We're very close. I can't wait to see them again."
"We didn't really get along. Best that I haven't seen them in a while."
"I never knew them. I grew up alone."

Of course this is one of those "it up to the player" on the character background but far as we know, none of it is wrong answer but let us not forget in our adventures, we're known to lie. So a combination could his real history, only one or none of them.

It is implied through dialogue with Thalmor Justiciars that the Last Dragonborn believes Talos is a god, as when they are asked if they believe in Talos, there is no dialogue option stating they don't believe in Talos.


Next up, Eola says, "You were young when you first tasted human flesh. A brother or sister who had died...""

Once dev said the main dude was accuse crime, npc saying we eaten brother or sister. *rubs chin*

Let move on, is every quest we complete consider canon? The thing is, if that true we're a complete sociopath. We go out of our way to help both evil and good people. Why does he do this? If he consider to be this chosen good guy, why would he go and complete a mission to slaughter some innocent man? If he's evil, why would he help others and the only thing that comes to mind is the dragonborn is a sociopath whose simply doing it all because he's curious to see the end result and earn that gold.

We spend a lot of time as the dragonborn but we don't really know him. I also understand a lot of things is left to the player, don't have to accept or do this evil things, it not him, it us players. But in terms of continuation canon, what is canon exactly?
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terry Apr 17, 2019 @ 8:01pm 
Canon is cringy
fauxpas Apr 17, 2019 @ 8:08pm 
What is typically canon is that the main storyline as well as the DLCs are done by the main character, and the guild quests are completed by a vague "someone" who may or may not be the main character.
fauxpas Apr 17, 2019 @ 8:12pm 
Now, as for the motives of the Dragonborn, remember Parrs' dialogue that mentions what it means to have a dragonic soul? The neverending thirst for domination and power? The will for power in all of its forms?

So no, the Dragonborn is NOT a "good guy", she is immortal fury and will distilled and trapped into a thankfully mortal form.
fauxpas Apr 17, 2019 @ 8:15pm 
So yeah, even if played as "good" as possible, if you aren't afraid of the dragonborn, you are a fool, because in her heart of hearts, she is a monster that eats men and mer alike.
alexander_dougherty Apr 18, 2019 @ 12:59am 
Technically only the Main quests (including ones from the DLC) and maybe the Civil war will be canon, in the previous games only the Main quests were reflected in the later games.

The various quests are there for fun, not to be canon.
Lothic Apr 18, 2019 @ 2:03am 
Originally posted by Genocide:
This is one of those topics i really wish the devs would spring and make some sort of comment.
do you realise the current year and the year of the first skyrim release?
DrNewcenstein Apr 18, 2019 @ 3:17am 
Mention was made in Oblivion of the Player from Morrowind who won the title of leader of Thirsk Mead Hall, though it was described as an isolated reference, and not "...and he also wound up being..." whatever you ended up being after the Main Quest.

In Oblivion, it was initially suggested in magazine articles that you start the game as an accused horse thief, which is why you're in jail.

Mention is made of the Player's actions in Oblivion in Skyrim by Sheogorath (the Player from Oblivion, which means The Shivering Isles is canon).

I don't recall if the Player can achieve enough fame as Dragonborn, or through any other means, to get any other response from Vilkas than "I've never even heard of this person" when you join the Companions.

IIRC, there is an option to use your Dragonborn status to get into the College.
You can also use your Dragonborn status, or Faction titles from Dark Brotherhood or College Of Winterhold, to enter Shor's Hall.

One would think it's logical that the Player would be well-known across Skyrim for their public deeds. Orc strongholds are made aware of your Blood-Kin status, and Guards will address you with a hushed "Hail Sithis" after becoming Listener, but court wizards are not made aware of your title of Arch Mage.

As for the Player's background; it's never been about the Player, it's about Skyrim. Who you were and why you were on the cart is of no consequence. Good, evil, somewhere in between. It doesn't matter. What matters is what you do from that point.
You are free to make your own background story for YOUR character that does not apply to anyone else's character.

There are some questions that should have had some resolution, like "Why is the DB sending assassins after you?"
Ommamar Apr 18, 2019 @ 7:40am 
One thing I liked in Daggerfall was that there was actually a back story given to your character depending on how you started the game. It didn't really have an effect on how the world initially reacted to you but it was cool they took the time to make 10 or so different histories explaining how you ended up linked to the emperor. From Morrowind on the player is a prisoner of some unspecified crime. One of the laziness trends that has happened as the elder scroll universe has been developed.
Zsrai Apr 18, 2019 @ 7:51am 
Originally posted by fauxpas:
What is typically canon is that the main storyline as well as the DLCs are done by the main character, and the guild quests are completed by a vague "someone" who may or may not be the main character.

It's pretty much this. Every quest is canonically completed, and it's "rumored" to be that the Dragonborn/Hero of Kvatch/Nerevarine/Blade Agent/Forgotten Hero did all of them but it's left vague on purpose.
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Zsrai Apr 18, 2019 @ 7:52am 
Originally posted by Ommamar:
One thing I liked in Daggerfall was that there was actually a back story given to your character depending on how you started the game. It didn't really have an effect on how the world initially reacted to you but it was cool they took the time to make 10 or so different histories explaining how you ended up linked to the emperor. From Morrowind on the player is a prisoner of some unspecified crime. One of the laziness trends that has happened as the elder scroll universe has been developed.

Daggerfall is the only one with that background, because in Arena you were... just a prisoner. It has nothing to do with the games being "dumbed down".
Vomit Heart Apr 18, 2019 @ 8:19am 
They could just have a dragon break and skyrim never happened.
Zsrai Apr 18, 2019 @ 8:34am 
Originally posted by HappyerbS:
They could just have a dragon break and skyrim never happened.

We may, considering how they handle canon outcomes for quests in TES games. Both sides of the Civil War won, Paarthurnax is alive and also dead, the Emperor was killed in Skyrim by the DB while at the same time the DB was destroyed, etc. It depends on how they set up the next game and how many years have passed (in universe, not IRL) between the two.
Invader Apr 18, 2019 @ 8:55am 
Originally posted by Zsrai:
Originally posted by HappyerbS:
They could just have a dragon break and skyrim never happened.

We may, considering how they handle canon outcomes for quests in TES games. Both sides of the Civil War won, Paarthurnax is alive and also dead, the Emperor was killed in Skyrim by the DB while at the same time the DB was destroyed, etc. It depends on how they set up the next game and how many years have passed (in universe, not IRL) between the two.
I really hope it not too far with the thalmor playing both sides so the empire is weaken. Like ulfric is working with the elves with getting in power and all that, while the elves are also working with the empire. One mission they say this is all calm before the storm or something along those lines. Like, i was sadden at the fact we never truly stop the thalmor doing their crap. It also possible the thalmor was going to make their move already but dragonborn? Oh no that OP ♥♥♥♥♥♥. We'll wait this out lol. So i really hope the next game has something to do with them and we can finally break them. Ha.
Zsrai Apr 18, 2019 @ 9:35am 
Originally posted by Genocide:
Originally posted by Zsrai:

We may, considering how they handle canon outcomes for quests in TES games. Both sides of the Civil War won, Paarthurnax is alive and also dead, the Emperor was killed in Skyrim by the DB while at the same time the DB was destroyed, etc. It depends on how they set up the next game and how many years have passed (in universe, not IRL) between the two.
I really hope it not too far with the thalmor playing both sides so the empire is weaken. Like ulfric is working with the elves with getting in power and all that, while the elves are also working with the empire. One mission they say this is all calm before the storm or something along those lines. Like, i was sadden at the fact we never truly stop the thalmor doing their crap. It also possible the thalmor was going to make their move already but dragonborn? Oh no that OP ♥♥♥♥♥♥. We'll wait this out lol. So i really hope the next game has something to do with them and we can finally break them. Ha.

I doubt they will skip the 2nd Imperial-Dominion war honestly. It's mostly, for me, a question of it TES6 is immediately after Skyrim or if it's 10-20 years after.
Originally posted by Zsrai:
Originally posted by Genocide:
I really hope it not too far with the thalmor playing both sides so the empire is weaken. Like ulfric is working with the elves with getting in power and all that, while the elves are also working with the empire. One mission they say this is all calm before the storm or something along those lines. Like, i was sadden at the fact we never truly stop the thalmor doing their crap. It also possible the thalmor was going to make their move already but dragonborn? Oh no that OP ♥♥♥♥♥♥. We'll wait this out lol. So i really hope the next game has something to do with them and we can finally break them. Ha.

I doubt they will skip the 2nd Imperial-Dominion war honestly. It's mostly, for me, a question of it TES6 is immediately after Skyrim or if it's 10-20 years after.

If teaser even in slightest resembles future game. We might not be even in Tamriel in next game, rather Akavir or even Aldmeris.
Sun shines from the east on the teaser, wich means camera moves north alongside coastline.
If game happens in Tamriel it means we will be on eastern side of the continent.
Otherwise its eastern side of Akavir, Aldmeris or Pyandonea.
In teaser you can see a small/big town in the distance near the coast right next to water. There is no such town in Tamriel(maybe except Tear wich is in Black Marsh or [wich is already speculated]Leyawiin).
So there are 5 possible locations for next game.
1)Valenwood and part of Cyrodill
2)Black Marsh
3)north-east part of Akavir
4)north-east part of Aldmeri
5)Pyandonea
Though judging by the way how shattered coast line is in teaser. it looks most likely as part of Akavir.
Feel free to correct me if im wrong.
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