Modding fiasco with Nexus' Vortex

[elcerain]

I’ve always moded Skyrim without a problem. Today I added a hair texture that had no requirements, and a Middle earth Skyrim remake. The game wouldn’t load after the main launch screen so of course I deleted both new mods. But the game still wouldn’t run. So I deleted all mods, and it wouldn’t run. I uninstalled and reinstalled it. I got only three basic mods that never gave me trouble before. I ran the game but it crashed within seconds of playing. I removed everything and it ran…

Let me be clear that I deleted every mod after uninstalling it down to the core files. But now my Skyrim is moded… without a single mod file installed or even downloaded. Texture mods, and a few others I could see from the start are present in the game. But it’s buggy. I ran through Vortex and I found not a single mod file. I tried installing them again and it wouldn’t run. I deleted them all again and they were still there afterwards.

Any help would be great.

[BarbarianHeart]

You need to do a clean reinstall. A regular reinstall won't get rid of the extra files that mods leave behind. See the pinned topics at the top of this forum for help.

[elcerain]

Originally posted by BarbarianHeart:

You need to do a clean reinstall. A regular reinstall won't get rid of the extra files that mods leave behind. See the pinned topics at the top of this forum for help.

Hi. I don't see anything pinned but I went online to see how to fully uninstall.

[MultiMuse]

Where is this mysterious info on doing a "Clean Reinstall"? Is it hiding off site somewhere else?

[@Ixxmantisxxl]

You need to learn Mod Organizer 2 and eliminate the use of your actual install directory. MO2 uses a virtual mod install location and virtualizes the Data Folder in a separate location. I have 144+ mods all of which work wonderfully and my game is highly scripted. I have no issues turning off a simple mod opening ReSaver cleaning the Unattached Instances and String Forms. And playing :)

Edit:
To Sum it up! Delete the install. Redownload. Google Mod Organizer 2 and ReSaver from the nexus. xEdit64 and learn to use all of them in conjunction with each other. :) Will make your Skyrim life a billion times better.

[Unchangeling]

Originally posted by Plague Dr. Reiss:

You need to learn Mod Organizer 2 and eliminate the use of your actual install directory. MO2 uses a virtual mod install location and virtualizes the Data Folder in a separate location. I have 144+ mods all of which work wonderfully and my game is highly scripted. I have no issues turning off a simple mod opening ReSaver cleaning the Unattached Instances and String Forms. And playing :)

Edit:
To Sum it up! Delete the install. Redownload. Google Mod Organizer 2 and ReSaver from the nexus. xEdit64 and learn to use all of them in conjunction with each other. :) Will make your Skyrim life a billion times better.

Vortex... works exactly the same way?

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by MultiMuse:

Where is this mysterious info on doing a "Clean Reinstall"? Is it hiding off site somewhere else?

• Making Skyrim vanilla again.
  If nothing else helps, try to make a clean reinstall for Skryim SE.
  
  Resetting SkyrimSE to Vanilla or A Clean Reinstall by grimus
  http://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/312265589446940121/
  

[lupus_hegemonia]

Originally posted by elcerain:

I’ve always moded Skyrim without a problem. Today I added a hair texture that had no requirements, and a Middle earth Skyrim remake. The game wouldn’t load after the main launch screen so of course I deleted both new mods. But the game still wouldn’t run. So I deleted all mods, and it wouldn’t run. I uninstalled and reinstalled it. I got only three basic mods that never gave me trouble before. I ran the game but it crashed within seconds of playing. I removed everything and it ran…

Let me be clear that I deleted every mod after uninstalling it down to the core files. But now my Skyrim is moded… without a single mod file installed or even downloaded. Texture mods, and a few others I could see from the start are present in the game. But it’s buggy. I ran through Vortex and I found not a single mod file. I tried installing them again and it wouldn’t run. I deleted them all again and they were still there afterwards.

Any help would be great.

Just removing the mods doesn't mean you fixed the issue.
After million times I modded Skyrim and re-start doing it (over 100+ times!!!!), I learned these and I'm sharing my experience:

1) Keep always a backup somewhere of a FRESH PURE installation, THE ENTIRE game root folder with everything - and the master files CLEANED. So, you can simply copy-paste them back and you'll have a pure clean installation again. That's helpful also with the COUNTLESS STUPID Bethesda's "updates", that "kills" your SKSE mods. So... roll back to the stored .exe and master files and you're done.

2) Don't use VERY OLD mods or VERY NEW ones. The very old ones are outdated and with lot issues now, while they'll be surely not compatible with a lot other stuff. The very new ones are... new. Meaning, without too much testing, with bugs, with... so you don't need to be yourself a "beta-tester" of those mods.

3) The 95% of the LE issues was/is the LACK OF MEMORY issue. In SE, the major issue are the MESHES/TEXTURES. Almost all my CTDs are from bad meshes or wrong (not compatible) textures (for example _s.dds or _msn.dds of NPCs or characters, causing issues).

4) Even you followed like "Bible" several tutorials to convert an "Oldrim" mod, most of them are not made for SE and they won't be perfectly converted to SE unless the author RE-CREATE THEM from scratch in SE. Trust me, I have tested over 2,000 mods and most of the "Oldrim" mods causing some issues, some small issues, others some major ones. So, stick with the SE mods (mostly).

[@Ixxmantisxxl]

Originally posted by Baron Offswitch:

Originally posted by Plague Dr. Reiss:

You need to learn Mod Organizer 2 and eliminate the use of your actual install directory. MO2 uses a virtual mod install location and virtualizes the Data Folder in a separate location. I have 144+ mods all of which work wonderfully and my game is highly scripted. I have no issues turning off a simple mod opening ReSaver cleaning the Unattached Instances and String Forms. And playing :)

Edit:
To Sum it up! Delete the install. Redownload. Google Mod Organizer 2 and ReSaver from the nexus. xEdit64 and learn to use all of them in conjunction with each other. :) Will make your Skyrim life a billion times better.

Vortex... works exactly the same way?

In theory yeah. Sure you are right. In practice. No. Screw Vortex. yeah made by the same dude yada yada but seriously IMHO Vortex is is a Vorno.

[Unchangeling]

Originally posted by Plague Dr. Reiss:

Originally posted by Baron Offswitch:

Vortex... works exactly the same way?

In theory yeah. Sure you are right. In practice. No. Screw Vortex. yeah made by the same dude yada yada but seriously IMHO Vortex is is a Vorno.

Easiest mod manager to use, does everything the others do. Dunno what people's issues with it are, other than historical.

[@Ixxmantisxxl]

Originally posted by Baron Offswitch:

Originally posted by Plague Dr. Reiss:

In theory yeah. Sure you are right. In practice. No. Screw Vortex. yeah made by the same dude yada yada but seriously IMHO Vortex is is a Vorno.

Easiest mod manager to use, does everything the others do. Dunno what people's issues with it are, other than historical.

One moment while I load the application "Vortex" brb


Yes I see now where it has the similar features; And one ups a non-existent one, Drag and Drop. I mean I could agree its the same Mod Manager; But I would just be lying. There is small details that make the switch from MO2 to Vortex not as nice as you think.Though I digress, Let's agree to disagree. Only recourse here. I've been on the forums way to much here this morning, I need to mod my Oblivion Install. :P

[DPMR]

Ye gads, talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Which mod manager you use has nothing to do with the issue.

First off you don't delete mods because of a possable issue, you disable them.

Try creating a folder called games in the C drive, then put Steam and your games there, that will stop a lot of issues.

[elcerain]

Originally posted by Plague Dr. Reiss:

You need to learn Mod Organizer 2 and eliminate the use of your actual install directory. MO2 uses a virtual mod install location and virtualizes the Data Folder in a separate location. I have 144+ mods all of which work wonderfully and my game is highly scripted. I have no issues turning off a simple mod opening ReSaver cleaning the Unattached Instances and String Forms. And playing :)

Edit:
To Sum it up! Delete the install. Redownload. Google Mod Organizer 2 and ReSaver from the nexus. xEdit64 and learn to use all of them in conjunction with each other. :) Will make your Skyrim life a billion times better.

I'll try Mod Organizer tonight. I'm not great with tech other than with the basics so I hope I manage. Thanks!

[@Ixxmantisxxl]

Originally posted by elcerain:

Originally posted by Plague Dr. Reiss:

You need to learn Mod Organizer 2 and eliminate the use of your actual install directory. MO2 uses a virtual mod install location and virtualizes the Data Folder in a separate location. I have 144+ mods all of which work wonderfully and my game is highly scripted. I have no issues turning off a simple mod opening ReSaver cleaning the Unattached Instances and String Forms. And playing :)

Edit:
To Sum it up! Delete the install. Redownload. Google Mod Organizer 2 and ReSaver from the nexus. xEdit64 and learn to use all of them in conjunction with each other. :) Will make your Skyrim life a billion times better.

I'll try Mod Organizer tonight. I'm not great with tech other than with the basics so I hope I manage. Thanks!

MO2 is not hard to learn. Just open it and install mods from there, if they don't require anything extensive like Fores (FNIS, XMP32) Animation and Skeleton replacement mods, then you should just be able to plug sort and play.

[Grumpy]

Originally posted by DPMR:

Ye gads, talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Which mod manager you use has nothing to do with the issue.

First off you don't delete mods because of a possable issue, you disable them.

Try creating a folder called games in the C drive, then put Steam and your games there, that will stop a lot of issues.

the UAC of the program files folder has even less to do when skyrim stop working after mod installation.

[DPMR]

Ah ok, that wasn't my point, but ok.