mod that lets you play the dragonborn dlc without being dragonborn?

[Pokemon_Kid]

i use alternet start mods and i want to be able to get the black books and everything but i dont want to have to do the main skyrim quest up to the normal point (i would use "timeing is everything" but its not ported) any ideas? (edit:TIE HAS A PORT!!!!! WOO HOO!!!) but still would what i ask be possable?

edit: to be clear i want to be able to unlock the dwarven ruin that gets unlocked by neloth in the DB main questline and get its black book without killing that dragon for whiterun/get the dragonstone/going to helgen cause i use Alt start LAL. i want to do this cause my next charater will be a dwemer lover that loves exploring dwemer ruins and that ruin is something my character will want to go to.

[Silent Protagonist]

i dont know but i know time is everything doesnt let you do the dragon born dlc in theory it (to my knowledge) let you start learning the dragon born stuff til what ever you set it to so maybe i dont have all the answers

[Unchangeling]

if I understand what you're asking, I don't think you need a mod?

"Dragonborn" (the very first mission of the main DLC quest chain) won't start until you've completed the Skyrim main quest "The Way of the Voice" - or at least, until you complete that you won't get attacked by the cultists, which starts Dragonborn*.

Anyway, you should still be able get to the island and do most of the other things just fine, inc. the Black Books; you will need to pay the ship captain 250 gold (which is actually cheaper than if you can't persuade/intimidate him once you've been attacked).

* It's ALSO possible to advance in the main Dragonborn questline by going to the Temple of Miraak and talking to Frea (which starts the second mission "The Temple of Miraak"), even if you never get attacked, so you probably want to avoid doing that.

[Unchangeling]

Update: I checked UESP, and it says you can be attacked on Solstheim by the cultists, but it's not stated if the same condition - Way of the Voice completed - applies. I'd assume so, but letting you know just in case. I think if it happens, you just have to avoid searching the bodies & you should be fine.

[Grubbs008]

Or... you know. Like maybe use the console and use the setstage option to start quests?

[Unchangeling]

Originally posted by Grubbs008:

Or... you know. Like maybe use the console and use the setstage option to start quests?

They are specifically asking about starting the other missions on the island WITHOUT starting that quest, though.

And the good news for them is Dragonborn already works that way!

[Jouni]

You can do everything in Solstheim except the final battle against Miraak before starting the main quest if you get one dragon soul. That one dragon soul can be obtained by killing a named dragon called Vulthuryol in Blackreach but you need use an unintended way to trigger him to spawn. Then you can just go to Solstheim, unlock Bend Will shout and release the Skaal and the dunmer of Raven Rock from Miraak's enslavement. Then get your Black Books, Stalhrim weapons and whatever else you want.

In order to spawn Vulthuryol without being able to shout:
1. Get the Ritual Stone power. That power can summon almost all enemies in the game and most importantly it doesn't turn summoned enemies to dust afterwards so they can be summoned again.
2. Get access to Blackreach and open the Great Lift at Alftand.
3. Clear the area between the lift and the Dwarwen fortress as well as the Hall of Rumination.
4. Go back to surface and enter Forsaken Cave which is close to the Great Lift at Alftand. In that cave find a draugr which can shout, kill it, summon it with Ritual Stone power and lead it back to Blackreach.
5. Lead the draugr you summoned to the lift in the Hall of Rumination and you are on a ledge above the big lamp.
6. Now you just need to punch the draugr a few times so that it becomes hostile and position yourself between it and the lamp before it shouts. And now you have a dragon you can kill and can unlock Bend Will to progress the quest in Dragonborn DLC without even knowing that you are a dragonborn.

[Unchangeling]

ok seriously I love that someone worked this exact scenario out.

[Pokemon_Kid]

Originally posted by Jouni:

You can do everything in Solstheim except the final battle against Miraak before starting the main quest if you get one dragon soul. That one dragon soul can be obtained by killing a named dragon called Vulthuryol in Blackreach but you need use an unintended way to trigger him to spawn. Then you can just go to Solstheim, unlock Bend Will shout and release the Skaal and the dunmer of Raven Rock from Miraak's enslavement. Then get your Black Books, Stalhrim weapons and whatever else you want.

In order to spawn Vulthuryol without being able to shout:
1. Get the Ritual Stone power. That power can summon almost all enemies in the game and most importantly it doesn't turn summoned enemies to dust afterwards so they can be summoned again.
2. Get access to Blackreach and open the Great Lift at Alftand.
3. Clear the area between the lift and the Dwarwen fortress as well as the Hall of Rumination.
4. Go back to surface and enter Forsaken Cave which is close to the Great Lift at Alftand. In that cave find a draugr which can shout, kill it, summon it with Ritual Stone power and lead it back to Blackreach.
5. Lead the draugr you summoned to the lift in the Hall of Rumination and you are on a ledge above the big lamp.
6. Now you just need to punch the draugr a few times so that it becomes hostile and position yourself between it and the lamp before it shouts. And now you have a dragon you can kill and can unlock Bend Will to progress the quest in Dragonborn DLC without even knowing that you are a dragonborn.

wow. thank you for that greatly detaled explanation. so to be clear:if i use your guide i will be able to unlock the dwarven ruin that gets unlocked by neloth in the DB main questline and get its black book without killing that dragon for whiterun/get the dragonstone?

[Unchangeling]

Yep, that's exactly right - you can get that far with only the single word of Bend Will, looks like. Again, I *love* that someone worked out this scenario!

But I got to point out that the book in that ruin gives you a choice of three bonuses... which are only useful with specific Shouts you won't have (Fire Breath, Frost Breath, and Unrelenting Force). A lot of work to get there for something that's not much use!

[Pokemon_Kid]

Originally posted by Baron Offswitch:

Yep, that's exactly right - you can get that far with only the single word of Bend Will, looks like. Again, I *love* that someone worked out this scenario!

But I got to point out that the book in that ruin gives you a choice of three bonuses... which are only useful with specific Shouts you won't have (Fire Breath, Frost Breath, and Unrelenting Force). A lot of work to get there for something that's not much use!

its mostly for the roll play. this character will be more rollplay and fun then story and plot and quests so the fact that i cant use the book's reward is not important.

thanks for the help everyone

[Jouni]

Another named dragon will also spawn when you get out of the ruin after learning the second word but it seems that Miraak will always appear to steal its soul. At least you get some more dragon bones and scales.

[Pokemon_Kid]

for dragon souls the mod "the true dragon threat" makes dragons spawn from the start but well it adds way to many dragons. unbound might work but i dont know