Khajiit is not a race of furries, technically.

[Reptile Man]

Sorry in advance for this being so long, I just get obsessed easily over things, and I wanted to really prove my point. Also, only read the last paragraph if you want to, the first two are the important ones.

I am a new player to the Elder Scrolls game series, and only started playing Skyrim a couple of days ago. When I was creating my character I saw the Khajiit race and thought that they looked cool but decided to just make a Nord instead. While playing I found the caravan of Khajiits and thought that they had funny accents and saw videos with J'Zargo in them so I thought it would be cool to make a Khajiit character. Later on I noticed that people were calling them furries, and I kinda despise the furries and didn't like the thought of playing as one, so I didn't really want to play as Khajiit anymore. So I did some research to find out if it was true that they are furries.
First I looked at the definition of a furry and since different definitions say different things, I'm just going to summarize it. Furries are people that dress up as animals with human characteristics, or animals with human characteristics, and since if it was just animals with human characteristics then humans, and maybe even ostriches would be furries since humans are animals with human characteristics and ostriches are animals that stand up on 2 feet, so lets just say that it only counts with animals that don't normally have human characteristics being portrayed with human characteristics. Now Khajiits wouldn't count because they are their own race of creatures with a feline-like appearance. They are not like furries like bugs bunny (Yes, he is a furry) because bugs bunny is just a bipedal rabbit, and not his own race of bipedal rabbit-like creatures.
So, the Khajiit are not furries. If you still think that all animals with human characteristics are furries, then you should know that that would mean that we all are just as much or maybe even more of furries than the khajiit are since we are animals/primates with human characteristics. If you say that since we are human so we don't count, then think about how there were many different species of humans on the earth before we were, so aren't we (♥♥♥♥ Sapien) just another animal with some characteristics of the first ever human species?

[fauxpas]

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Then limit yourself to Nord, Imperial, or MAYBE Breton in your playthroughs, because the story is written from the strict perspective of a human, and even then stretches once you attempt to stray from Nordic flavored characters.

Khajiits still aren't furries. Just a race of bipedal creatures that resemble felines.

No, belonging to a species of "furries" doesn't make them exempt from being a race of furries.


Like it or not, in the games they are portrayed as nothing more than humans with a funny dialect and fur. And that places them squarely in the land of funny hats, or to use your term, furries.

[Sinsling]

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Khajiits still aren't furries. Just a race of bipedal creatures that resemble felines.

Because even though it may be written in the perspective of a human you still pick your race and people in the game refer to you as the race you have chosen, not as a human pretending to be what race you have chosen.

What people call you "in game" is irrelevant unless you are roleplaying. To you as a human being of earth they are furries. No 2 ways to split it.

[fauxpas]

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Автор сообщения: Shing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Because even though it may be written in the perspective of a human you still pick your race and people in the game refer to you as the race you have chosen, not as a human pretending to be what race you have chosen.

What people call you "in game" is irrelevant unless you are roleplaying. To you as a human being of earth they are furries. No 2 ways to split it.

I'd disagree IF they were portrayed with the depth a different, completely alien species (compared to us primates) should have.

[Reptile Man]

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Автор сообщения: Shing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Because even though it may be written in the perspective of a human you still pick your race and people in the game refer to you as the race you have chosen, not as a human pretending to be what race you have chosen.

What people call you "in game" is irrelevant unless you are roleplaying. To you as a human being of earth they are furries. No 2 ways to split it.

He was saying that since I don't like furries I can't play as the elves or beast folk and only the humans, since he says the game is strictly from a point of view of a human.

[Trehek]

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Автор сообщения: fauxpas

Then limit yourself to Nord, Imperial, or MAYBE Breton in your playthroughs, because the story is written from the strict perspective of a human, and even then stretches once you attempt to stray from Nordic flavored characters.

Khajiits still aren't furries. Just a race of bipedal creatures that resemble felines.

Even that resemblance is partially debatable. Particularly the Ohmes variety (seen in TES: Arena) can pass as human. However, they usually paint their faces to give themselves a feline aspect / resemblance. The Ohmes-Raht (seen in TES: Daggerfall) are also similarly humanlike but are covered in light body fur and have a tail. The Suthay, Cathay, Tojay and their -Raht varieties are the humanoid cat varieties seen in the recent TES games. There are others as well, a few of which were mentioned earlier.

Bottom line is, you can't call all of them bipedal felines, as some don't look feline and some aren't bipedal.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Khajiit#Morphology

[Sinsling]

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Автор сообщения: Sinsling

What people call you "in game" is irrelevant unless you are roleplaying. To you as a human being of earth they are furries. No 2 ways to split it.

I'd disagree IF they were portrayed with the depth a different, completely alien species (compared to us primates) should have.

Furry is really just a matter of personification relative to perspective though isn't it?

If a humanoid cat made a game with khajit in it the khajit would not be a furry.

If a humanoid cat made a game with a personified dog when the only dogs they have are what we consider dogs, that dog race is a furry.

If a humanoid cat bases a humanoid dog on a humanoid dog, then that humanoid dog is not furry.


Since we most definitely do not have humanoid cats on earth, pretty much anything made by a human that personifies a cat species is "furry" until we actually come across a humanoid cat species from which to draw those attributes.

[Reptile Man]

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Автор сообщения: Shing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Khajiits still aren't furries. Just a race of bipedal creatures that resemble felines.

Even that resemblance is partially debatable. Particularly the Ohmes variety (seen in TES: Arena) can pass as human. However, they usually paint their faces to give themselves a feline aspect / resemblance. The Ohmes-Raht (seen in TES: Daggerfall) are also similarly humanlike but are covered in light body fur and have a tail. The Suthay, Cathay, Tojay and their -Raht varieties are the humanoid cat varieties seen in the recent TES games. There are others as well, a few of which were mentioned earlier.

Bottom line is, you can't call all of them bipedal felines, as some don't look feline and some aren't bipedal.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Khajiit#Morphology

But the ones you play in skyrim are. I don't care what other ones exist, I'm talking about the type in skyrim, no other.

[Sinsling]

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Автор сообщения: Trehek

Even that resemblance is partially debatable. Particularly the Ohmes variety (seen in TES: Arena) can pass as human. However, they usually paint their faces to give themselves a feline aspect / resemblance. The Ohmes-Raht (seen in TES: Daggerfall) are also similarly humanlike but are covered in light body fur and have a tail. The Suthay, Cathay, Tojay and their -Raht varieties are the humanoid cat varieties seen in the recent TES games. There are others as well, a few of which were mentioned earlier.

Bottom line is, you can't call all of them bipedal felines, as some don't look feline and some aren't bipedal.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Khajiit#Morphology

But the ones you play in skyrim are. I don't care what other ones exist, I'm talking about the type in skyrim, no other.

They all come from the same lore. They are all human personifications of things that dont have those traits. Ie they are furries. Find me one picture of a cat on earth that walks* on 2 legs, speaks a comprehensible language, and uses tools.

[Trehek]

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But the ones you play in skyrim are. I don't care what other ones exist, I'm talking about the type in skyrim, no other.

But you made your decision based on them being a race, so it matters what their race is actually like, no? Even though only one variety is shown in-game to limit the amount of character models, information about the race can still be found in the game. In books, specifically.

[Reptile Man]

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But the ones you play in skyrim are. I don't care what other ones exist, I'm talking about the type in skyrim, no other.

But you made your decision based on them being a race, so it matters what their race is actually like, no? Even though only one variety is shown in-game to limit the amount of character models, information about the race can still be found in the game. In books, specifically.

I know of other varieties of khajiits, but they are all similar, show me proof that there are other types of khajiit that are that different from the ones found in skyrim, and include proof that they are the exact same race, then I will believe you.

[Trehek]

Pfff! Do your own legwork! I already linked the wiki with much of the relevant information, with screenshots from the games and with referenced sources. If you're not gonna believe my word here, go take a look your own damn self!

[fauxpas]

Автор сообщения: Sinsling

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I'd disagree IF they were portrayed with the depth a different, completely alien species (compared to us primates) should have.

Furry is really just a matter of personification relative to perspective though isn't it?

If a humanoid cat made a game with khajit in it the khajit would not be a furry.

If a humanoid cat made a game with a personified dog when the only dogs they have are what we consider dogs, that dog race is a furry.

If a humanoid cat bases a humanoid dog on a humanoid dog, then that humanoid dog is not furry.


Since we most definitely do not have humanoid cats on earth, pretty much anything made by a human that personifies a cat species is "furry" until we actually come across a humanoid cat species from which to draw those attributes.

I draw the line at the "land of funny hats"; and yes, it's a subjective standard but the issue for me at least is that they act (and look) far more human than feline.


And yes, most fantasy and sci-fi races fall into the same trap in my opinion, I want my aliens to BE alien (and almost certainly not playable by extension).

[Sinsling]

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Автор сообщения: Trehek

But you made your decision based on them being a race, so it matters what their race is actually like, no? Even though only one variety is shown in-game to limit the amount of character models, information about the race can still be found in the game. In books, specifically.

I know of other varieties of khajiits, but they are all similar, show me proof that there are other types of khajiit that are that different from the ones found in skyrim, and include proof that they are the exact same race, then I will believe you.

Game literally tells you that there are housecat khajit that are in fact khajit.

Gg no re.

[Trehek]

I mean, it's difficult to reach an agreement on things with people who decide to form their opinion based on only a conveniently chosen part of the lore (or reality, for that matter).

[fauxpas]

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What people call you "in game" is irrelevant unless you are roleplaying. To you as a human being of earth they are furries. No 2 ways to split it.

He was saying that since I don't like furries I can't play as the elves or beast folk and only the humans, since he says the game is strictly from a point of view of a human.

Yes, she did say that, and quite frankly I stand by my words, no matter what race you choose at char gen, the story treats you as a human being, or I suppose if being generous, a member of 'X' who was raised by humans, fully steeped in human culture, with human motivations and human goals.


In Skyrim your race is nothing more than what flavor of funny hat you want to wear (or more accurately, what special power you want) during any given playthrough.