Allegations against jeremy soule

[President Donald Trump]

What do you guys think about this? Im not too caught up on the details but im just completely baffled by this news. I knew the guy couldn't have been an angel after the whole kickstarter fiasco but this... man.

[Hellbishop]

Holografix eredeti hozzászólása:

So what's the break-down of people on this thread? Like what's the count of people that are defenders of Soule and those that believe Lawhead and Brighton?

Am neutral but am not ignoring the "subtle" negative signs the accuser seems to be sending out.

[Glitterclaw]

Sexual assault accusations without proofs... Typical...

[Holografix]

Hellbishop eredeti hozzászólása:

Holografix eredeti hozzászólása:

So what's the break-down of people on this thread? Like what's the count of people that are defenders of Soule and those that believe Lawhead and Brighton?

Am neutral but am not ignoring the "subtle" negative signs the accuser seems to be sending out.

Yeah it's tough to read this kind of stuff...always leaves me perplexed and hoping that I will be fair minded when learning about the story.

Glitterclaw eredeti hozzászólása:

Sexual assault accusations without proofs... Typical...

Personal testimony not proof enough for you?

“As things went on, he started to become more misogynistic and sexist.
He talked about the mystical power women hold over men with sex. How men are helpless and they need sex. How he needs sex, and a relationship, so he can write his music. He talked about how composing is sexual, and how he will write about sex as inspiration in his music. He talked about how performing music is very sexual. He wrote songs about women that he had relationships with this way. What he does to women, is what inspires his music. The work he composed for video games is based on this. . .

He made advances on me and I explained that I didn’t want this and wanted a friendship. He was very threatening, and didn’t listen. He made it clear that it’s ‘him or bust.’ He raped me. Throughout this time Jeremy acted like a victim, and blamed women he was in relationships with (or forced relationships on) for what he was doing.”
-- from Lawton's blogpost

[Jo]

Holografix eredeti hozzászólása:

So what's the break-down of people on this thread? Like what's the count of people that are defenders of Soule and those that believe Lawhead and Brighton?

Tbh I don't care... Jeremy Soule produces amazing, moving music and that's all I care about. What people do with others in private is their business. If a relationship goes awry for whatever reason then people shouldn't air their dirty laundry in public, it's unclassy.

And if I had been raped by someone I wouldn't sit on it for 10 years. I would have gone to the police the next day and had a medical examination. When you delay, your case weakens. What's her motive for bringing this all up now?

[Holografix]

Jojo eredeti hozzászólása:

Holografix eredeti hozzászólása:

So what's the break-down of people on this thread? Like what's the count of people that are defenders of Soule and those that believe Lawhead and Brighton?

Tbh I don't care... Jeremy Soule produces amazing, moving music and that's all I care about. What people do with others in private is their business. If a relationship goes awry for whatever reason then people shouldn't air their dirty laundry in public, it's unclassy.

And if I had been raped by someone I wouldn't sit on it for 10 years. I would have gone to the police the next day and had a medical examination. When you delay, your case weakens. What's her motive for bringing this all up now?

So you can separate the artwork from the artist? Sometimes I find that hard to do.

Yeah the motivation for bringing this kind of thing up after so many years is always hard to discern. Could be that now the 'time is right' or could be that it took 10 years for someone to muster the courage to make the accusation. Who knows?

[Jo]

Holografix eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah the motivation for bringing this kind of thing up after so many years is always hard to discern. Could be that now the 'time is right' or could be that it took 10 years for someone to muster the courage to make the accusation. Who knows?

The impression I got from reading this woman's lengthy and self-pitying post on the subject was that she chose to "be nice" in a workplace that she regarded as "abusive". If that's not lying down and taking it, I don't know what is.

I've worked in very male-dominated situations in the past (I'm a musician myself) and not ONCE have I felt threatened by any of my male colleagues or people with influence or power, I always felt respected.

[Holografix]

Jojo eredeti hozzászólása:

Holografix eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah the motivation for bringing this kind of thing up after so many years is always hard to discern. Could be that now the 'time is right' or could be that it took 10 years for someone to muster the courage to make the accusation. Who knows?

The impression I got from reading this woman's lengthy and self-pitying post on the subject was that she chose to "be nice" in a workplace that she regarded as "abusive". If that's not lying down and taking it, I don't know what is.

I've worked in very male-dominated situations in the past (I'm a musician myself) and not ONCE have I felt threatened by any of my male colleagues or people with influence or power, I always felt respected.

Lucky you, I guess. But you know, different experiences with different people.
I suppose if she hadn't made the accusation people wouldn't be getting all upset about it...maybe she should've kept on 'lying down and taking it?' I don't know.

[Hellbishop]

Jojo eredeti hozzászólása:

Holografix eredeti hozzászólása:

So what's the break-down of people on this thread? Like what's the count of people that are defenders of Soule and those that believe Lawhead and Brighton?

Tbh I don't care... Jeremy Soule produces amazing, moving music and that's all I care about. What people do with others in private is their business. If a relationship goes awry for whatever reason then people shouldn't air their dirty laundry in public, it's unclassy.

Same here and the reason i never look into the private lives of those whose creative works i admire. The few times i have it was usually the same old same old negative story of too much partying, anger problems and addiction issues. I'll stick to their creative gifts and keep the magic they put in my life alive. Everything else is none of my business.

[Jo]

Mozart was supposed to be a sexual philanderer. I wonder if the descendants of any of his "victims" will press posthumous charges.

[Glitterclaw]

Glitterclaw eredeti hozzászólása:

Sexual assault accusations without proofs... Typical...

Personal testimony not proof enough for you?

“As things went on, he started to become more misogynistic and sexist.
He talked about the mystical power women hold over men with sex. How men are helpless and they need sex. How he needs sex, and a relationship, so he can write his music. He talked about how composing is sexual, and how he will write about sex as inspiration in his music. He talked about how performing music is very sexual. He wrote songs about women that he had relationships with this way. What he does to women, is what inspires his music. The work he composed for video games is based on this. . .

He made advances on me and I explained that I didn’t want this and wanted a friendship. He was very threatening, and didn’t listen. He made it clear that it’s ‘him or bust.’ He raped me. Throughout this time Jeremy acted like a victim, and blamed women he was in relationships with (or forced relationships on) for what he was doing.”
-- from Lawton's blogpost

Suppose you become somewhat famous in the future, and some gal you barely knew accused you of sexual assault without hard evidence, which you did not commit, what would you think? I am not saying Soule did or did not assault the lady. Maybe he did, but that is not the point. The point is if you want to incriminate him, then in front of law, actual proofs other than words should be provided. Otherwise, it is a weak accusation that proves nothing at best or a vicious gossip with some hidden agenda at worst. If he actually did not do it, then what about his tarnished reputation? Is it justice for him, should he be innocent?

[Holografix]

Glitterclaw eredeti hozzászólása:

Personal testimony not proof enough for you?

“As things went on, he started to become more misogynistic and sexist.
He talked about the mystical power women hold over men with sex. How men are helpless and they need sex. How he needs sex, and a relationship, so he can write his music. He talked about how composing is sexual, and how he will write about sex as inspiration in his music. He talked about how performing music is very sexual. He wrote songs about women that he had relationships with this way. What he does to women, is what inspires his music. The work he composed for video games is based on this. . .

He made advances on me and I explained that I didn’t want this and wanted a friendship. He was very threatening, and didn’t listen. He made it clear that it’s ‘him or bust.’ He raped me. Throughout this time Jeremy acted like a victim, and blamed women he was in relationships with (or forced relationships on) for what he was doing.”
-- from Lawton's blogpost

Suppose you become somewhat famous in the future, and some gal you barely knew accused you of sexual assault without hard evidence, which you did not commit, what would you think? I am not saying Soule did or did not assault the lady. Maybe he did, but that is not the point. The point is if you want to incriminate him, then in front of law, actual proofs other than words should be provided. Otherwise, it is a weak accusation that proves nothing at best or a vicious gossip with some hidden agenda at worst. If he actually did not do it, then what about his tarnished reputation? Is it justice for him, should he be innocent?

It's not an easy process, to be sure. It's an ugly thing but once you're embroiled in it, even strangers not party to the issue can get vicious. The way you phrase the problem makes me feel like you'd have women walk around with tape-recorders and raipe-kits ready-at-hand to collect the hard evidence required to seek justice. That's too draconian for me.

[Jo]

Glitterclaw eredeti hozzászólása:

Otherwise, it is a weak accusation that proves nothing at best or a vicious gossip with some hidden agenda at worst. If he actually did not do it, then what about his tarnished reputation? Is it justice for him, should he be innocent?

Exactly. There's more to this than meets the eye. What exactly has triggered her need to expose him NOW? She seems unhinged and a loose cannon, and it does her case no favors at all by writing about it online, on her own frickin' professional website. Just unclassy.

[Glitterclaw]

Holografix eredeti hozzászólása:

Glitterclaw eredeti hozzászólása:

Suppose you become somewhat famous in the future, and some gal you barely knew accused you of sexual assault without hard evidence, which you did not commit, what would you think? I am not saying Soule did or did not assault the lady. Maybe he did, but that is not the point. The point is if you want to incriminate him, then in front of law, actual proofs other than words should be provided. Otherwise, it is a weak accusation that proves nothing at best or a vicious gossip with some hidden agenda at worst. If he actually did not do it, then what about his tarnished reputation? Is it justice for him, should he be innocent?

It's not an easy process, to be sure. It's an ugly thing but once you're embroiled in it, even strangers not party to the issue can get vicious. The way you phrase the problem makes me feel like you'd have women walk around with tape-recorders and raipe-kits ready-at-hand to collect the hard evidence required to seek justice. That's too draconian for me.

If she had gone to the police right after, she could have been checked for rape and thus providing ample proof. Not a month later. Certainly not years later. On top of this, though not a woman myself, I think a woman is capable of identifying a harassment-prone environment and taking extra precautions. I do not think it is unreasonable (bringing some kind of recording device), considering e.g. when you cross a road where reportedly accident-ridden you would be extra vigilant. That's not overdoing. That's taking care of yourself.

[Holografix]

So there's 2 so far in favor of Soule's version of events.
The claims so far are:
- that the online confessional is suspicious;
- that there isn't enough hard evidence to believe the accusation.

I probably won't ever play Skyrim again after this because now everytime the music plays....

[Glitterclaw]

Holografix eredeti hozzászólása:

So there's 2 so far in favor of Soule's version of events: Glitterclaw and Jojo.
The 2 claims are that the online confessional is suspicious and that the 10 year delay seems iffy.

No. I say it again, accusations without proof are iffy. I don't care if it's even 100 years if there is solid proof. Just as modern law wouldn't sentence a man without it, I will not judge Soule likewise. Period.
Edit: OK. Thank you for clarifying my claim.