CTD during combat, frequently happens in dungeons

[Robinfire]

As the title says, I am constantly crashing during combat inside a dungeon. To complete one I have to save constantly after every small fight and slowly progress. Meanwhile, in the outside world I have gone about 3 hours without a crash before entering a dungeon and crashing. Went through all of my mods and can't find any obvious mods that might be conflicting. About to start testing each of the mods individually for a problem but if anyone sees an issue could you point it out please?

I am using Vortex and Loot to manage/sort my mods, and use wyre bash to create a bashed patch already.


Active Mod Files:
00 Skyrim.esm
01 Update.esm
02 Dawnguard.esm
03 Hearthfires.esm
04 Dragonborn.esm
05 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp [Version 4.1.9]
06 Ecotone Dual Sheath.esl
07 Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader.esp [Version 1.0]
08 Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp [Version 1.1]
09 Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp [Version 1.0]
0A Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Skyrim.esp [Version erb]
0B SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
0C Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
0D Vivid WeathersSE.esp
0E dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
0F dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
10 dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp
11 Cutting Room Floor.esp [Version 3.1.5]
12 Qw_ISC_CRF Patch.esp
13 SkyUI_SE.esp
14 Book Covers Skyrim.esp
15 Qw_BookCoversSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
16 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
17 Lore Weapon Expansion.esp [Version 1.4a]
18 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
19 BetterQuestObjectives.esp
1A BetterQuestObjectives - BCS Patch.esp
1B BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
1C BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp
1D Cloaks.esp
1E Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
1F Gildergreen Regrown.esp [Version 2.0.1]
20 Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp
21 Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp
22 Landscape Fixes For Grass mods - Cutting Room Floor Locations.esp
23 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
24 Qw_CloaksOfSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
++ Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
25 VioLens SE.esp [Version 2.22]
26 ScopedBows_ArrowTweaks.esp
27 Vivid Weathers SE - Extended Snow.esp
28 Vivid Weathers - Extended Rain.esp
29 Ecotone Dual Sheath Patch.esp
2A ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
2B RLO - Interiors.esp
2C MysticismMagic.esp
2D RLO - Exteriors.esp
2E OBIS SE.esp
2F skyBirds_SSE.esp
30 EBT - skyBirds Patch (short).esp
31 RLO - Effects.esp
32 RLO - CRF Patch.esp
33 Footprints.esp
34 LeftHandRings.esp
35 LeftHandRings-1stPersonView.esp
36 RaceMenu.esp
37 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
38 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
39 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
3A XPMSE.esp
3B ogSplendorDragons.esp
3C RLO - VIS Patch.esp
3D CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp
3E Dragon Souls To Attributes.esp
3F RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
40 CBBE.esp
41 DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
42 Splendor-DDCse patch.esp
43 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
44 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
45 Point The Way.esp [Version 2.0.5]
46 Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp
47 Immersive Patrols II.esp
48 SofiaFollower.esp
49 WICO - Immersive People.esp
4A WICO - USSEP Compatible Patch.esp
4B Immersive Weapons.esp
4C ScopedBows.esp
4D Qw_WICO_CRF Patch.esp
4E notice board.esp
4F Qw_SofiaFollower_USSEP Patch.esp
50 Qw_SofiaFollower_RDO Patch.esp
51 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp [Version 2.0.1]
52 My Home Is Your Home.esp
53 OBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.esp
54 RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp
55 RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
56 Unique Uniques.esp [Version 1.8]
57 Ars Metallica.esp [Version 2.0.5]
58 Qw_ArsMetallica_SMIM_MergedAll Patch.esp
59 AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp
5A Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp
5B Ish's Souls to Perks.esp
5C OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp
5D FNIS.esp
5E WICO - Immersive Dawnguard.esp
5F WICO - Immersive Character.esp
60 Runandwalkpaces.esp
61 icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
62 sandboxcylinderheight.esp
63 BetterQuestObjectives-AFTPatch.esp
64 BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
65 MLU.esp
66 ISC Morrowloot Ultimate Simplified Patch.esp
67 MLU - Summermyst.esp
68 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
69 ICOW_WICO_Patch.esp
6A CWICRFSEPatch.esp
6B MLU - WICO.esp
6C MLU - Unique Uniques.esp
6D MLU - Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
6E MLU - CRF.esp
6F MLU - Ars Metallica Patch.esp
70 MLU - Immersive Armors.esp
71 ScopedBows_MLU Patch.esp
72 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
73 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
74 CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp
75 MysticOrdinator.esp
76 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
77 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 4.1.1]
78 Landscape Fixes For Grass mods - Alternate start Locations.esp
79 RAO - Alternate Start Patch.esp
7A BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
7B Open Cities Skyrim.esp [Version 3.1.4]
7C CWIOCSSEPatch.esp
7D notice board - open cities patch.esp
7E RealisticWaterTwo.esp
7F RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
80 RealisticWaterTwo - Open Cities.esp
81 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[DPMR]

I would look to the PC, make sure it is not overheating.

I would also check the ram, maybe pull it and rub down the contacts with a pencil eraser and re-seat.
Maybe run a ram check on them.

These two things are really taxed in a dungeon.

[Robinfire]

Originally posted by DPMR:

I would look to the PC, make sure it is not overheating.

I would also check the ram, maybe pull it and rub down the contacts with a pencil eraser and re-seat.
Maybe run a ram check on them.

These two things are really taxed in a dungeon.

I don't think its hardware related. Running a 1070 with a Ryzen 1600 and 16GB ram. I used Skyrim performance monitor to see if it was GPU/CPU related and didn't see anything. About to run a ram test to see if it is my ram is the culprit

[Robinfire]

Update, was not memory related, ran a memory test and it came out fine.

I'm starting to think it's an issue with Violens.
I did some research into some of the mods and found out that Enhanced blood and Realistic Rag Dolls might conflict if the load order is not right, which seemed to be true. I moved Rag dolls to load first and I was able to go through my first dungeon without a CTD in a while.

However, later on I was in a fight (not inside a dungeon) and was about to die in a fight from a kill move and then had a CTD as soon as the animation started

[Ihateeverybody]

If you have an up to date (Current) xmpse it comes with the changes of Realistic Ragdoll force. This sounds like it might be your problem. IF you decide to remove it be sure to clean your save at the very least. Make sure you have backups. If you keep it for your current game then move it above xmpse (Again, not a reliable fix, new games are always advised when removing mods, cleaning saves will help but not guaranteed)

EDIT: It's definatly sounding like animation related issue. You also might want to specify which options your have checked in fnis. Rerun it and see if their are any issues.

[Robinfire]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

If you have an up to date (Current) xmpse it comes with the changes of Realistic Ragdoll force. This sounds like it might be your problem. IF you decide to remove it be sure to clean your save at the very least. Make sure you have backups. If you keep it for your current game then move it above xmpse (Again, not a reliable fix, new games are always advised when removing mods, cleaning saves will help but not guaranteed)

EDIT: It's definatly sounding like animation related issue. You also might want to specify which options your have checked in fnis. Rerun it and see if their are any issues.

Alright, removing Ragdolls and rerunning FNIS
Only options I have enabled on FNIS are the SKELETON patch and File redirection with vortex.
Gonna make a new save, only got to lvl 7 so far so its not to bad.

[tulle040657]

With my old GPU I would sometimes crash during a fight when there were a lot of magic effects happening. I don't have that problem with my new card

My load out did not change only my GPU

[Robinfire]

Alright, stuff I did:

1.Removed Ragdolls
2.Since it might have been animation related, I grabbed the FNIS Creatures and Spells addon
3.Reran FNIS

Just to try it out I loaded my current save (cleaned with resaver, not that there was much to clean) and tried to complete the dungeon I was in. I also created a new character and cleared another 2 dungeons and did not have a crash.

It seems to be fixed now, but it will likely require some more testing to make sure its all good

Thanks for all the help!

[Robinfire]

Whelp, guess that did not fix it. Had another CTD in a dungeon while fighting. Might just live with it for now.

Thanks again for the help everyone

[Robinfire]

Huh, did some more investigating and I think I found the cause. I always crash when using shock spells. Did some research online and it seems to be an issue with RDO and SMIM using certain keywords that cause a CTD when using shock spells (How a dialog overhaul and mesh mod cause shock spells to CTD or why they are even related is beyond me). Going to look for fixes otherwise I might just uninstall those and see if I can't get rid of this bug

[Robinfire]

So, still having the crash, but holy ****. RDO apparently was breaking so many other mods. I used TESVedit to take a look at what it conflicted with and it was basically everything. Turned it off and all of my graphical mods are working correctly now (I thought I just had a crap PC that could not run it even with a 1070). Why does a dialog overhaul need to modify these things?

[Robinfire]

Found the issue, racemenu was causing it.
There were 3 updates since I last installed it a little bit over a week ago that addressed the issue. I am going to try and install RDO but seeing how much it is modifying for something that is supposed to be a dialog overhaul, I might just skip it

[tulle040657]

I have RDO and can't remember crashing with my current computer setup

[Ihateeverybody]

I have RDO and I have a few crashes. Like maybe 1 in 20 hours (if that). I woudln't necessarily say RDO is the cause. One difference I would note is I use EFF for companions vice AFT.

It is likely a combination of things given. Which makes tracking these things down so mind boggling.

Check the birds and weather mods. Is where I would focus. Whether to eliminate them or not depending on the findings.

[tulle040657]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

I have RDO and I have a few crashes. Like maybe 1 in 20 hours (if that). I woudln't necessarily say RDO is the cause. One difference I would note is I use EFF for companions vice AFT.

It is likely a combination of things given. Which makes tracking these things down so mind boggling.

Check the birds and weather mods. Is where I would focus. Whether to eliminate them or not depending on the findings.

Yes getting RDO to play nice with AFT is ah challenging, I did manage it though, I had to have RDO for the twin boys follower mod I made for myself (just to make it easy to have the right conversation lines needed for a follower )

[lupus_hegemonia]

Generally, although is very "must have" now, the FNIS is causing A LOT issues to every build.