CTD After Leaving Cave From Helgen

[Stalin's Organ]

I've been having problems recently since I tried starting a new game where a little bit after leaving the cave from Helgen the game will just crash to the desktop with no warning or error message, it normally occurs a little bit before the guardian stones. I've been trying trying to figure this out for a couple days now but I can't find a solution, so any help is greatly appreciated.

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
254 FE 0 Peacekeeper Armour.esl
6 6 WARZONES - SSE - Civil Unrest.esp
7 7 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
8 8 Cutting Room Floor.esp
9 9 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
10 a Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
11 b SkyUI_SE.esp
12 c TouchedbyDibella.esp
13 d RaceMenuMorphsTBD.esp
14 e Immersive survival Armors.esp
15 f Unlimited Shouting.esp
16 10 RaceMenu.esp
17 11 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
18 12 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
19 13 CBBE.esp
20 14 YsoldaAll.esp
21 15 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
22 16 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
23 17 map unlocked.esp
24 18 OwnCivilWar.esp
25 19 Immersive Patrols II.esp
26 1a AFT_ManagedFollowerBoost.esp
27 1b Checkpoints of Skyrim.esp
28 1c armored-horses.esp
29 1d guardianarmorlagrie.esp
30 1e Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
31 1f BGSMerpsGondorianArmament.esp
32 20 CiriOutfit.esp
33 21 DragonBoneEbonsteel.esp
34 22 FNIS.esp
35 23 TW3_femaleArmors_zzjay.esp
36 24 FNISspells.esp
37 25 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
38 26 KS Hairdo's.esp
39 27 Kynreeve Armor.esp
40 28 Perfect Legionnaire - Troops Re-equipment.esp
41 29 Raxys_DaenerysTargaryenFollower - Normal Hair.esp
42 2a RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp
43 2b TalosHousecarl.esp
44 2c Black Mage Armor SE.esp
45 2d 50 more perk points.esp
46 2e TrissMerigoldW3.esp
47 2f big_more_kill_moves_and_decapitations_sepc_sp0ckrates.esp
48 30 Geralt.esp
49 31 RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
50 32 LV_Cirilla.esp
51 33 Levionte_Yennefer.esp
52 34 dragon souls to attributes.esp
53 35 elven eternal non glow weapons.esp
54 36 elven eternal shine armor non glow.esp
55 37 frost white glass armor and weapons.esp
56 38 icepenguinworldmap.esp
57 39 more training.esp
58 3a newarmhorse.esp
59 3b noldorarmor.esp
60 3c perk points at skill levels 50-75-100.esp
61 3d RealisticWaterTwo.esp
62 3e RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp


here is my mod list sorted with LOOT.

[marstinson]

I'll try to dig through this in some more detail after I get done running a couple of errands, but "50 more perk points" and "perk points at levels 50-75-100" both require Ordinator, which I don't see in the load order. I don't know if or why this would cause a CTD rather than failing to initially load due to missing dependecy, especially between Helgen and the Guardian Stones, but there you go.

[Stalin's Organ]

I'll try disabling those and see if that fixes it, but I've used those for a awhile and this didn't affect my older characters.

nope sadly didn't fix it.

[craigsters]

Don't use perk mods, I use Skyrim Skill Uncapper[www.nexusmods.com] which requires a dll loader and my SkyrimUncapper text document is modified so it go past level 82 and I get up to level 166 now !..

unfortunately I forgot what I altered in the SkyrimUncapper text to get past level 82 and have backed up my SkyrimUncapper text to my external hard drive because of this!..

[marstinson]

OK, back from errands and another look at the list.

If the CTD is happening consistently between the cave exit near Helgen and the Guardian Stones, then my first inclination is to look at what's happening in that area and whether it's being modified by anything. The only potential suspect that I see is Realistic Water Two, but you've got it and its optional mod in a good place in your load order (dead last). The mod itself is really stable and you don't seem to be running anything else that would require a compatibility patch for it, so I don't see any further reason to suspect it. It wouldn't hurt to disable it, head down the road to Riverrun, and see if the crashing goes away. If so, then I'm wrong and should have looked closer.

You're also running Relationship Dialogue Overhaul and both Hadvar and Ralof are pretty chatty as you head down that path. Since that mod restores some cut content, there might be some flaky interaction with Cutting Room Floor, but RDO should be winning any conflicts based on the load order. I've never used RDO and can't say what it's doing or should be doing at any given point in the game, so take that with a grain or two of salt, but the same idea should work: disable it (and the patch), head down the path, and see if the crashing goes away.

If you're traveling along with Hadvar, Perfect Legionnaire might be doing something. It's another mod that I've never used, but it has a CTD patch that should be loading right after the main esp.

That's all that I'm seeing at the moment based on what should be happening at that stage of the game. Hopefully one of those will fix the problem.

[Stalin's Organ]

I tried disabling RDO and Realistic Water and started a new game but it still crashes, I'm thinking about doing a clean install then activating mods one at a time to try to figure this out now.

[Metadragon]

Checkpoints or civil war related.

[Stalin's Organ]

Tried disabling both of those and it still crashed.

[Stalin's Organ]

So I figured out which mod it was though I'm not quite sure on why it was causing the issue, but I was able to reach Riverwood with it disabled and then enabled it crashed. Here's the mod, probably was using the wrong files.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/26894

[Metadragon]

Originally posted by Brave Sir Robin:

So I figured out which mod it was though I'm not quite sure on why it was causing the issue, but I was able to reach Riverwood with it disabled and then enabled it crashed. Here's the mod, probably was using the wrong files.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/26894

Ah well then when you were reaching the stones it was loading NPC data and crashing. Says to put it last. But id say go wity skmething nicer like Bijin or some other NPC appearance overhaul.

[dwharper]

Originally posted by marstinson:

You're also running Relationship Dialogue Overhaul and both Hadvar and Ralof are pretty chatty as you head down that path. Since that mod restores some cut content, there might be some flaky interaction with Cutting Room Floor, but RDO should be winning any conflicts based on the load order. I've never used RDO and can't say what it's doing or should be doing at any given point in the game, so take that with a grain or two of salt, but the same idea should work: disable it (and the patch), head down the path, and see if the crashing goes away.

Hopefully one of those will fix the problem.

I just had this happen to me. I have been trying to eliminate the CTDs from my game and I thought I had them fixed, so I started a new game. No sooner than I leave the cave, the game crashes. I tried again from my last save and it happened almost immediately.

I found this article and you mentioned RDO. So I uninstalled it and three patches for it. Started it up again and progressed until I just killed the Dragon with no problems. Thank you for one of the easiest fixes I've had!

It also fixed another crash I was having as I went up the mountain to see the Greybeards. That was pleseant to find out!