Lore Question: Can a Daedra produce off-sprint with a mortal?

[StuckInWashingMachine]

I'm not the biggest on the lore in this game. Skyrim was my first TES game, I find reading many of the books to be very confusing because they tend to talk about events using alot of terminology that assumes that I know about alot of the lore. Which I don't because this is my first elder scrolls game. I've put many hours into the xbox version of this game, and many more on the PC version testing out dozens of mods. Aside from watching several youtubers and playing every single quest in this game several times over. That is about as far as my understanding goes of the TES universe. I find the lore to be interesting however there is just way too much of it for me to bite onto.

Anyways I just thought up something and was wondering if anyone had a take on it. Is it possible for a Daedra to re-produce with a mortal. If so, what would happen to the off-spring?

[Draescan]

I'm fairly certain there's nothing stopping it from happening. After all there are many reports of humanoid races all over nirn that appear to be hybrids of pre existing and usable races in the other games.So clearly there's very little restriction on the types of beings that are produced in this universe. After all Orcs aren't natural ( not in the scientific sense ) occurances. They are in fact children of Malacath. So theoretically I'd say it would depend on which Daedra you're talking about more than anything.


Just so I'm 100% clear, Malacath didn't create the Orcs through reproduction.....I believe the story is that Boethiah corrupted someone and turned them into Malacath, thus resulting in his followers becoming Orcs, I just meant that there's very little stopping the creation of races in this world :P


EDITED Because of redundencies :P I'm a derp

[Col Com Dante]

Given how Nirn (the world) formed, and without getting too deeply into the insane backstory, no, daedra and mortals cannot reproduce in the conventional sense. Mortal souls are fundamentally different from Aedra and Daedra. Daedra can manipulate pre-existing races, but not create new ones.

The Malacath example above is from Trinimac, an incredibly popular Aldmer deity of war, who was eaten by Boethia (for reasons), and basically shat out as Malacath. The elvish followers became Orsimer (pariah folk) and Chimer. The Chimer, in turn, were cursed by Azura at... some point, and turned further into the Dunmer.

So, to answer your question, no, the closest they get to interbreeding is manipulating things that already exist.

If you're interested in the backstory these may help you get a handle on it
www.uesp.net and for a funnier version
www.1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls
Hope that helps.

[Mormacil]

Vivec by using the Heart of Lorkhan you could say absorbed some of it's energies and therefor got on closer footing with any of the Daedra then mere mortals.

There is evidence TES races always follow the mother's race. So a female orc having a baby with a male Dunmer would produce an orc. Albeit with some racial quirks of the Dunmer but still basically an orc.

Now if Daedra could mate with mortals we can assume the same thing happens. However the Daedric Princes have no set gender. Some manifest as male or female or both but none have a set gender.

What you need to understand is that the Princes are their realm of Oblivion and every creation in it. This is why mortals are so fascinating to them. All Dremora are in fact extensions of the Princes. They lack full free will as they're always part of the larger realm of the Princes. Mortals on the other hand can be donimated, conquered.

This also means the Princes aren't living beings with a specific body.

[Col Com Dante]

Originally posted by Mormacil:

Vivec by using the Heart of Lorkhan you could say absorbed some of it's energies and therefor got on closer footing with any of the Daedra then mere mortals.

There is evidence TES races always follow the mother's race. So a female orc having a baby with a male Dunmer would produce an orc. Albeit with some racial quirks of the Dunmer but still basically an orc.

Now if Daedra could mate with mortals we can assume the same thing happens. However the Daedric Princes have no set gender. Some manifest as male or female or both but none have a set gender.

What you need to understand is that the Princes are their realm of Oblivion and every creation in it. This is why mortals are so fascinating to them. All Dremora are in fact extensions of the Princes. They lack full free will as they're always part of the larger realm of the Princes. Mortals on the other hand can be donimated, conquered.

This also means the Princes aren't living beings with a specific body.

The Daedric planes are their bodies in the same way that the planets in the skies above Nirn are the Aedra. Those planets are infinite in size and mass, but mortals can't understand what they're seeing, so you get planets. But you're right, no deadra has a gender in their natural state. They look the way they do because that's what mortals expect them to look like. So they can't really reproduce in the conventional sense.

So i guess it is technically possible to kill daedric princes, by destroying them utterly, they would presumably simply reform elsewhere in reality or escape to Aetherius to be wild and free again.

Also, with Vivec, you have to remember he's a pathological liar.

Oh, and if you're wondering, the Dwemer disappeared after their race attempted CHIM, thus seeing themselves in relation to every other thing in existence, and instead of allowing themselves to integrate back into the universe, like Talos and Vivec, they "zero-summed" by seeing they were not real. (I exist + I do not exist = 0)

The gods create code unaware of what they're actually doing, beings that have transcended are vaguely aware of the restrictions in the games code. Vivec mentions rituals to change reality, that is, he used the construction set. This is all confirmed by the devs btw. Along with time travelling cyborgs. (Pelenial Whitestrake)

[Mormacil]

If a Daedric Prince is killed on Nirn their body is the only thing that dies. To my knowledge the rest of their being gets thrown back into the Sea of Oblivion. There it needs to recollect itself after that traumatic event to regain concious control of their realm.

Oh I love Pelenial, the best terminator ever.

[Zeno]

Well, Molag Bal and Vivec apparently produced offspring, so I guess, though the latter was still technically a "god" at the time afaik. I don't think there's anything that absolutely says that cannot happen, though it would be very unusual.

[alexander_dougherty]

Um, Knights of the Nine DLC for Oblivion, bad guy was half Daedra, so yes, but probably very rare.

Originally posted by Toast:

Mer (elves) are the descendants of the Aedra.

Slightly misleading, the first elves (Aldmer) were weakened Aedra who transformed into mortal form because otherwise they would die. The Elves are the descendents of these Transformed Aedra, but that is not proof that interbreeding is possible because the Aedra had to transform into mortals first.

Now if the Daedra could shed their immortality and become mortal, then they could reproduce just as easily, but their descendents would not be half Daedra , merely half (or wholely if two exDaedra parents) whatever the Daedra chose to turn into.

[Draescan]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Um, Knights of the Nine DLC for Oblivion, bad guy was half Daedra, so yes, but probably very rare.

Originally posted by Toast:

Mer (elves) are the descendants of the Aedra.

Slightly misleading, the first elves (Aldmer) were weakened Aedra who transformed into mortal form because otherwise they would die. The Elves are the descendents of these Transformed Aedra, but that is not proof that interbreeding is possible because the Aedra had to transform into mortals first.

Now if the Daedra could shed their immortality and become mortal, then they could reproduce just as easily, but their descendents would not be half Daedra , merely half (or wholely if two exDaedra parents) whatever the Daedra chose to turn into.

Well correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the very concept of Aedra a bit blurry? After all a man became a god in this universe despite nothing god like being presented about him before his death. Damn good warrior don't get me wrong, but not a god in the sense of the elder scrolls. That being said, I wouldn't necessarily say that Daedra NEED to physical take a hand in the creation of a species either. They have so much more pull with mortals and take a much more direct role in their lives than the Aedra do. Just as an idea to mull around in everyone's mind, if Sheogorath for instance can make the hungers....And one of the divines gave the dragonblood to mortals, then it's not too far fetched to say that a physical presence of a daedra could have the potential to create a larger change and result in a different being altogether.

Also once again correct me if I'm wrong, but Daughters of Coldharbour?

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Mantis:

Well correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the very concept of Aedra a bit blurry? After all a man became a god in this universe despite nothing god like being presented about him before his death. Damn good warrior don't get me wrong, but not a god in the sense of the elder scrolls. That being said, I wouldn't necessarily say that Daedra NEED to physical take a hand in the creation of a species either. They have so much more pull with mortals and take a much more direct role in their lives than the Aedra do. Just as an idea to mull around in everyone's mind, if Sheogorath for instance can make the hungers....And one of the divines gave the dragonblood to mortals, then it's not too far fetched to say that a physical presence of a daedra could have the potential to create a larger change and result in a different being altogether.

Also once again correct me if I'm wrong, but Daughters of Coldharbour?

Well technically the Aedra are the spirits that created the Mundus (Material Plane and World), Talos became one of the Divines but not technically an Aedra. While all the other Divines are Aedra, there is a degree of seperation between Divine and Aedra, it's just people blur it.

The Daughters of Cold Harbour are not Daedra either, they are infected with Molag Bal's blood, but do not become part Daedra. Similarly Werewolves and other Vampires are not part Daedra either, infected by the Daedra but not actually of them.

Also as I said, the main Villian in the Knights of the Nine was half Daedra, so Daedra could definately interbreed with mortals. It's just not very common.

[Mutare]

I dont recall except for Nights of the Nine any in Tamriel. Actual lore on Daedra/Aedra and "others" isnt reallly set into reality? Sheog changes reality every time the Jyggalag happens..Who is to say what could and may happen outside of known reality? Rather be more concerned that Dibella herself doesnt have kids on Nirn. Just because a parent is Aedra..doesnt mean the kids will be. Could be a Aedra halfbreed and be evil. And the daughters of Cold harbour...wasnt Lamae infected by a drop of blood from Molag Bal after her "event"...SO not a halfbreed she is bloodborne infected?

[Draescan]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Originally posted by Mantis:

Well correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the very concept of Aedra a bit blurry? After all a man became a god in this universe despite nothing god like being presented about him before his death. Damn good warrior don't get me wrong, but not a god in the sense of the elder scrolls. That being said, I wouldn't necessarily say that Daedra NEED to physical take a hand in the creation of a species either. They have so much more pull with mortals and take a much more direct role in their lives than the Aedra do. Just as an idea to mull around in everyone's mind, if Sheogorath for instance can make the hungers....And one of the divines gave the dragonblood to mortals, then it's not too far fetched to say that a physical presence of a daedra could have the potential to create a larger change and result in a different being altogether.

Also once again correct me if I'm wrong, but Daughters of Coldharbour?

Well technically the Aedra are the spirits that created the Mundus (Material Plane and World), Talos became one of the Divines but not technically an Aedra. While all the other Divines are Aedra, there is a degree of seperation between Divine and Aedra, it's just people blur it.

The Daughters of Cold Harbour are not Daedra either, they are infected with Molag Bal's blood, but do not become part Daedra. Similarly Werewolves and other Vampires are not part Daedra either, infected by the Daedra but not actually of them.

Also as I said, the main Villian in the Knights of the Nine was half Daedra, so Daedra could definately interbreed with mortals. It's just not very common.

I never said they were daedra?