I STILL DON'T GET IT

[madgamer2]

OK all you young guys(and others) how stupid this old guy is as long as someone can explain in simple language whaT I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING

I have no idea what making a skill legendary is all about and what it is suposed to do. Yesterday I rfead a post that said that when you make a skill legendary it returns to 15 (which it dose for me) and I receive no skill pts in return( which the popup window says I am to get.
I then read a post that I did not understand about skill pts & and character pts. I thought when you make a skill legendary you got the skill pts back to use ands the skill is reduced to 15. Is this not true?
To add to the problm I went to the skill tree on going up a level and there was the skill back to 100%. I amnot making this up.. Also if You do not get skill pts back when you make a skill legendary why does it say that you do and if you do not get skill pts back what good is it to change the status of a skill.

[MysticMalevolence]

It's supposed to return any skill points you have invested in the skill, and thus allow you to level further and gain more perk points.
You need to have invested perk points into the skill.
If you are not getting them back, it is a bug.

[LAG]

why do you say 100% and not lv 100? where doyou get % from?

anyway you only get skill points refunded(back) if you spent skill points in them.

if you didn't light up any of the stars in the tree you make legendary you don't get any of thoose refunded when you make it legendary.

the message says you get your skill points refunded, if you spent 0 points you get 0 points back not that hard to understand.

To add to the problm I went to the skill tree on going up a level and there was the skill back to 100%.

have no clue what you mean here, did you level it back up to 100?

why not provide a screenshot of the skill you're trying to make legendary?

[watchdog79]

Originally posted by madgamer2:

OK all you young guys(and others) how stupid this old guy is as long as someone can explain in simple language whaT I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING

I have no idea what making a skill legendary is all about and what it is suposed to do. Yesterday I rfead a post that said that when you make a skill legendary it returns to 15 (which it dose for me) and I receive no skill pts in return( which the popup window says I am to get.
I then read a post that I did not understand about skill pts & and character pts. I thought when you make a skill legendary you got the skill pts back to use ands the skill is reduced to 15. Is this not true?
To add to the problm I went to the skill tree on going up a level and there was the skill back to 100%. I amnot making this up.. Also if You do not get skill pts back when you make a skill legendary why does it say that you do and if you do not get skill pts back what good is it to change the status of a skill.

When you make a skill legendary, you do not get SKILL POINTS back, you get the PERK POINTS that you have spent in that skill back.

Skill point - use the skill (like sneak a lot without getting detected) and the skill goes up one point (you hear a sound and "Sneak increased" appears on your screen), gain enough of these skill level ups and your character gains a character level

Perk point - that is the point that allows you to buy one special perk (such as "Ebony Smithing") per character level up.

The whole point is, that if you maximize all your skills to 100, you won't be able to level up any further, which used to be the case in the old Skyrim before a certain patch, because you reached 100 in all skills at character level 81 and that was it. No more character levels could have been gained.

If you just rush a skill to 100 (like by crafting a huge amount of items at the Forge to raise your Smithing) and you do not spend any perk points in it, you get nothing back when you make it legendary, since there is nothing to return to you. You simply get an option to use that skill for levelling progress again, because it gets reset to 15 again.

[madgamer2]

the light goes on? OK if I use the muffle spell over and over and over and only spend maybe i perk on the novice skill for illusion does that mean:

A. that it can't be made legendary?

B. Once it gets to 100 and I buy skills in illusion can I cast them at the best level or do I have to actually spend skill pts to get to cast a spell at any given level that was purchased by using skill pts?

[watchdog79]

Originally posted by madgamer2:

the light goes on? OK if I use the muffle spell over and over and over and only spend maybe i perk on the novice skill for illusion does that mean:

A. that it can't be made legendary?

B. Once it gets to 100 and I buy skills in illusion can I cast them at the best level or do I have to actually spend skill pts to get to cast a spell at any given level that was purchased by using skill pts?

Even a skill you have no perks in can be made legendary as soon as it reaches 100, however, you get nothing back, since you spent nothing in it. There is nothing to return to you.

Example 1:

You play a character that uses a certain Illusion spell a lot, but you have not spent any perk points in the skill tree. Your Illusion reaches 100. Now, those 85 points above the starting 15 meant a welcome addition to your character levelling speed by adding to the character levelling progress bar from time to time. This won't happen any more, since Illusion cannot be raised above 100 by using using it.

You then set Illusion to legendary. It drops to 15, and since you had no perks in that tree, you naturally do not get any perk points back. Nevertheless, this means you can now start working on your Illusion again, adding to your character levelling up progress.

Example 2:

Your Smithing reached 100 and you have, say, 10 perk points in the skill tree (Steel Smithing, Elven Smithing, etc.). You have your best armour, your best weapon, you do not need to create or upgrade any item in the near future, part from spending found resources to make stuff and sell it. Your Smithing won't progress any more now, even if you create 10,000 Ebony warhhammers.

At the same time, your Archery is at 90, but you could only afford to spend 5 perk points in it before.

You then set your Smithing to legendary. It drops to 15 and you get your 10 perk points back. Yay, you can now spend those perk points in Archery, and as you craft more stuff to sell, your Smithing will again raise towards 100, adding to your character levelling up progress. And you can spend perk points in it again.

[Tavman (4)]

When you train a skill to 100 you get an option to make it legendary.

If you spent perk points in the tree of the skill you trained to 100 then made the skill legendary you get those points back. If you didn't, then you don't get anything back.

[White Rabbit]

Any skill can be made Legendary once it reaches 100.
I have made several legendary that i spent no perk points on, so all that happened was the skill is set back to 15.
The only advantage of this is you keep gaining XP each time that skill levels up again, seeing as it's obviously something you use all the time like Ebonyflesh or Muffle.
As to point B, not sure what you mean really.
If you want a skill to be good you have to invest the perk points you get when leveling up in the various upgrades on offer.
If you then make that skill Legendary, maybe because you've had enough of swords and want to try destruction magic for example, you will get all the perk points you spent back so you could spend them on another skill that has perks available but you havent invested in.
The perk 'Stagger' for example is crucial for destruction magic as it knocks opponents back.

[stvlepore]

My 2 cents, just dont do it. If you use smithing for example you can no longer upgrade enhanced items till you relevel to 60. It will take forever.

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by stvlepore:

My 2 cents, just dont do it. If you use smithing for example you can no longer upgrade enhanced items till you relevel to 60. It will take forever.

Um, it depends on the skill, obviously don't make smithing legendary, but Heavy/Light Armour skills can be levelled up easily, as can one/two handed skills. You need to use some judgement about which skills to make legendary, and which not to.

[Tavman (4)]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Originally posted by stvlepore:

My 2 cents, just dont do it. If you use smithing for example you can no longer upgrade enhanced items till you relevel to 60. It will take forever.

Um, it depends on the skill, obviously don't make smithing legendary, but Heavy/Light Armour skills can be levelled up easily, as can one/two handed skills. You need to use some judgement about which skills to make legendary, and which not to.

Smithing is fine to make legendary as long as you have the resources beforehand. Same goes with Alchemy and Enchanting.

Alteration is probably the easiest once you have Fortify Alteration gear and the Telekinesis spell.

[Awesome_Al360]

There are skill level-ups and there are Character level-ups. When you get a skill level-up you earn XP points towards your character level-up. When you earn enough XP to levels up your character you get to pick either additional Magic, Health or Stamina as well as a Perk point that you can invest in one of your skill tree.

So let's say you level up your illusion to 100 and while your doing that you earn enought XP to level up your character 5 times. If you invest all 5 perks in Illusion and say for example get novice, apprentice, adept , expert and master perks you will get those perk point back when you make your Illusion skill legendary. If you invest those perks in other skills like Smithing, Alchemy or One-Handed you will not get those perk points if you make your illusion skill Legendary because those skill trees are not being reset.

[madgamer2]

I do thank you all for the help even though you might be shaking your collective heads about how someone could be so dsumb. Well the lighjt HAS FINALLY gone on and it is clear now reguarding this issue. On the 12th of Dec 2016 I will be 76. I also say a little prayer because two years prior to that date I had 3 blood clots on the brain drained and am lucky to be among the living abd a rtesu+lt of the clots there were many small memory problems among them but not limited to the playing of computer games. I do it now to help me recover some of the memory use I once had and you all have had a PART IN MAKIBG MY LIFE A BIT BETTER GOD BLESS YOU ALL

[Rafael Freeman]

Skill leveling:

Developing a specific skill through practice/experience. By doing something specific you'll increase a specific skill.

Character leveling:

Improving you general level. Each time you'll level up, you'll get an opportunity to increase health, stamina or magicka by ten points. Making a skill legendary has no effect on any previous choices regarding health, stamina or magicka.

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Each time you'll level up your character, you'll also get a perk point. These can be invested in specific skills.

If you make a skill legendary, you'll reclaim the perk points you have invested in that skill.

You won't reclaim the experience for that skill. You go from level 100 in that skill to 15. You can't reinvest the 85 'points' you lost from going from 100 to 15. But if you have invested perk points, you can get those back.

So why make a skill legendary?

Possibly to reclaim perk points (not skill points, an important difference) spent in that skill, but if you haven't spent perk points in that skill, you'll reclaim nothing.

Still there might be an advantage. If you build the skill up again, you can improve health, stamina or magicka each time you level-up the skill. And you'll get a new perk point each time you'll level up.

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Basically your problem is that you are not playing the game. You're trying to level up as fast as possible.

The downside of that is that you don't really learn the game mechanics.

Since you don't do anything with illusion, you haven't spend your perk points in illusion. So you won't get them back.

Try alchemy and don't forget to spend your perk points in alchemy.

[Sarumoon]

Originally posted by madgamer2:

I do thank you all for the help even though you might be shaking your collective heads about how someone could be so dsumb. Well the lighjt HAS FINALLY gone on and it is clear now reguarding this issue. On the 12th of Dec 2016 I will be 76. I also say a little prayer because two years prior to that date I had 3 blood clots on the brain drained and am lucky to be among the living abd a rtesu+lt of the clots there were many small memory problems among them but not limited to the playing of computer games. I do it now to help me recover some of the memory use I once had and you all have had a PART IN MAKIBG MY LIFE A BIT BETTER GOD BLESS YOU ALL

Take care, do what the Doc says. And never stop gaming its really good for memory.

[Rafael Freeman]

Originally posted by Sarumoon:

Originally posted by madgamer2:

I do thank you all for the help even though you might be shaking your collective heads about how someone could be so dsumb. Well the lighjt HAS FINALLY gone on and it is clear now reguarding this issue. On the 12th of Dec 2016 I will be 76. I also say a little prayer because two years prior to that date I had 3 blood clots on the brain drained and am lucky to be among the living abd a rtesu+lt of the clots there were many small memory problems among them but not limited to the playing of computer games. I do it now to help me recover some of the memory use I once had and you all have had a PART IN MAKIBG MY LIFE A BIT BETTER GOD BLESS YOU ALL

Take care, do what the Doc says. And never stop gaming its really good for memory.

True. Gaming is a great way to either stay sharp or recover brain functions. The positive side of gaming isn't mentioned enough.