Crossbow is the best weapon

[Magic Spazm]

Don't even try to disagree, it is better than any melee weapon, bow, or spell.

[lupus_hegemonia]

But... but... I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE GAME, just above!!! I wrote you, my last night experience.

Long bow is BY FAR THE BEST weapon in the game. In close combat, a very very good one-handed sword (or axe) with a very good shield, gives you victory.

But WHY to come so close to a Troll or Giant or... what ever, when I can kill them almost instantly from 200+ yards far away?

[Locklave]

Originally posted by lupus_hegemonia:

But... but... I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE GAME, just above!!! I wrote you, my last night experience.

Long bow is BY FAR THE BEST weapon in the game. In close combat, a very very good one-handed sword (or axe) with a very good shield, gives you victory.

But WHY to come so close to a Troll or Giant or... what ever, when I can kill them almost instantly from 200+ yards far away?

Did I say you were wrong? No, bows are better. But you are talking about anecdotal reasons and history, both of which prove nothing in the game.

The wiki has the damage numbers and weapon rate of fire. Bows can do nearly 50% more damage and fire far faster then crossbows.

Bow>Crossbow

[Zulu]

Originally posted by Locklave:

Originally posted by Robosium:

Crossbow is a fight starter weapon not crowd control also falmes and lightning are better than bows in crowd control

1. Who cares if it's a starter weapon, it's not a better starter weapon then the bow. Bows can do more damage.
2. You clearly don't know what crowd control is.
3. Lightning and flames suck balls because magic doesn't scale in damage. All destruction magic sucks. Again these aren't crowd control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_control_(video_gaming)

Please don't talk when you are clueless.

Originally posted by Magic Spazm:

Good to see that everyone accepts the fact that the crossbow is the best weapon.

No.

Originally posted by Robosium:

you are just A: using a bad crossbow AND/OR B: bad bolts

Max Bow base damage with best arrows is 44 damage.
Max Crossbow base damage with best bolts is 36 damage.

Learn to use wiki. Dragon bone bows outclass crossbows completely in terms of "opener damage" which is the only claim to fame crossbow has. Lets not forget that that far higher base damage bow also fires far faster.

"3. Lightning and flames suck balls because magic doesn't scale in damage. All destruction magic sucks. Again these aren't crowd control."
You are wrong here. I killed the Ebondy Warrior and Karstaag with Destruction spells and they died quite easily. Not to mention the dozens of dragons (including revenant) that i have killed with destruction spells, as well as the thousands of other enemies that have died by desctruction magic.

[Rotiart]

Personally, I think the best weapon is either an upgraded and double enchanted Warhammer with the right perks, or an upgraded and double enchanted Sword with a good shield, again, with the right perks.

[Pig Mac]

I don't understand the 'crossbows takes longer to reload' statement in the game.
Just started vampire hunting quests yesterday, and the normal crap x-bow you get for free, feels like a gatling gun compared to the bows.
The crossbows are generally ugly and the 'quiver' floats along behind you when sneaking, and I will not use them unless forced to.
But I checked out the enhanced dwarven one, upgraded with 272 smithing, and some special bolts on top of that. (had one of those in good old Morrowind)
And it actually felt insane! A gatling rocketlauncher! I put it in a storage box in my house for safekeeping..
But I'll stick with my homecrafted upgraded Nord Bow, with no enchants, (for RP reasons)

[Zulu]

Originally posted by Pigmachine:

I don't understand the 'crossbows takes longer to reload' statement in the game.
Just started vampire hunting quests yesterday, and the normal crap x-bow you get for free, feels like a gatling gun compared to the bows.
The crossbows are generally ugly and the 'quiver' floats along behind you when sneaking, and I will not use them unless forced to.
But I checked out the enhanced dwarven one, upgraded with 272 smithing, and some special bolts on top of that. (had one of those in good old Morrowind)
And it actually felt insane! A gatling rocketlauncher! I put it in a storage box in my house for safekeeping..
But I'll stick with my homecrafted upgraded Nord Bow, with no enchants, (for RP reasons)

You must have mods on because a crossbow only fires once every 2-3 bow shots.

[Pig Mac]

No mods at all!.. no cranking it up, just fire, ~½ a second 'animation' of replacing the bolt, then fire again. That's why I thought it were weird!?
I have enchants on my armor with fortify archery and twohanded +45 on both, on some parts, (but only the parts that you can enchant without mods, as I'm playing a totally different game with my new char) but still it's a faster than fully drawing a normal Nord Bow! Not as much zoom maybe, but faster.

[Zulu]

Originally posted by Pigmachine:

No mods at all!.. no cranking it up, just fire, ~½ a second 'animation' of replacing the bolt, then fire again. That's why I thought it were weird!?
I have enchants on my armor with fortify archery and twohanded +45 on both, on some parts, (but only the parts that you can enchant without mods, as I'm playing a totally different game with my new char) but still it's a faster than fully drawing a normal Nord Bow! Not as much zoom maybe, but faster.

Except crowsbows can't fire faster then bows unless you have mods.

[Rotiart]

Originally posted by Zulu:

Originally posted by Pigmachine:

No mods at all!.. no cranking it up, just fire, ~½ a second 'animation' of replacing the bolt, then fire again. That's why I thought it were weird!?
I have enchants on my armor with fortify archery and twohanded +45 on both, on some parts, (but only the parts that you can enchant without mods, as I'm playing a totally different game with my new char) but still it's a faster than fully drawing a normal Nord Bow! Not as much zoom maybe, but faster.

Except crowsbows can't fire faster then bows unless you have mods.

I mean, depends
A Crossbow can't fire faster than a charged Zephyr
And a Crossbow won't fire faster than just speed clicking the bow, and not charging it
But it should fire faster than a normal charged bow.

[Pig Mac]

Did some testing by digging up the Enhanced Dwaren X-bow vs my Nord bow, and fully pulled bow vs X-bow seems to be almost the same, and that is the slowest X-bow in the game vs a mediocre Bow. The reason I were so 100% convinced it were a LOT faster, is that I almost always go into slow aiming mode with the bow as soon as I have it drawn, to save arrows.

The damage on the other hand, when using fire or shock bolts on Whiterun guards, the X-bow ALWAYS force them down on their knees, instead of killing them, even when sneaking!?
While the lower dmg Nord bow, with nord arrows ALWAYS kill them in one shot!?

To make it fair I should've used normal bolts for the X-bow.. but my Box in the house is really full of stuff I don't bother to carry around, so forgot to search for them.
But I still claim the Slowest X-bow is not slower then the heaviest Bow.
(Archery perks maxed out, as dragons seem to be able to fly )

Nordic Bow base dmg 13, weight 11 <- what I use and will always use with this char
Dragonbone Bow base dmg 20 weight 20 <- Highest weight Bow=Slowest draw=best 1 shotter
Enhanced Dwarven Crossbow base Damage 22 weight 21

Do a test save and try them for yourself!

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=840387372
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=840387393

[Chaotic Harmony]

Personal opinion- Ive used Bows and Crossbows in skyrim; and there's a reason. They have two different use cases; if im on the move i really do prefer the crossbows. Along with the crossbows being really good for heavier targets due to the stablity; despite this hordes of weaker enemies can close on you when ROF matters.

This is where the bow comes in; ROF and DPS is much higher.

Quite honestly the idea of a "Best Weapon" is hilarious to me; the best weapon will be the one that fits the situation.

PS-My playtime in skyrim SE is nonexistant; this is because i played more of OG skyrim.
Also Using the SetAV and ModAV commands is safe; even with stupid numbers it's extremely hard to break the game with them. TCL and Ressurect can break the game much easier.

[r0tara]

Skyrim creation kit is better, can make whatever you want.

[Chaotic Harmony]

I used to be decent with the FO3 construction set; had my own little cell made along with simple modded weapons. i never got the hang of scripting though; after the CK came out and changed everything i just stopped.

Other peoples mods were good enough and i didnt have the time to experiment and learn; though i really miss some of the "Meltdown/Breakdown" mods from Pre-CK. Most of them now come with "Rebalancing" or "Fixes" to the smithing system. iv'e been tempted to make something fairly lightweight but updated for SSE/LE; with none of the "Fixes".

[Rotiart]

Originally posted by Chaotic Harmony:

I used to be decent with the FO3 construction set; had my own little cell made along with simple modded weapons. i never got the hang of scripting though; after the CK came out and changed everything i just stopped.

Other peoples mods were good enough and i didnt have the time to experiment and learn; though i really miss some of the "Meltdown/Breakdown" mods from Pre-CK. Most of them now come with "Rebalancing" or "Fixes" to the smithing system. iv'e been tempted to make something fairly lightweight but updated for SSE/LE; with none of the "Fixes".

You should do that.

[Chaotic Harmony]

Time is still a major factor; most of the items have multiple versions with disinct FORM ID's. This leads to picking up what seems to be a compatible item when in fact it's different; that leads to having to make 5 different recipes for a bowl etc.

I make a lot of excuses but i could do it; it's just something i never felt like struggling with.