What is the Race of the Dragon Priests?

[☲ 火 Phoenix 火 ☲]

I plan on doing a Dragon Priest Mage but I dont know what race they are. I feel like there Nords due to the era they ruled and where there found in the crypts. Can anyone confirm this or not? I tried googling it but couldnt find anything concrete.

[Delta 1038]

Definitely not Mer.

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Delta 1038 eredeti hozzászólása:

Definitely not Mer.

Agreed, but its hard to tell if there Nord or Bretons. Again to me it make more sense if they were Nords due to the time period, but it also be interesting to say they were Bretons as from say a RP perspective thats one way there in Skyrim today along with the Forsworn, or if thats totally wrong correct me lol.

[SpeedFreak1972]

commonsense tells indeed that it must been nords

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SpeedFreak1972 eredeti hozzászólása:

commonsense tells indeed that it must been nords

Agreed, it will be a challenge with the mods i have giving nords almost no magik, but thats what i want, a challenge. Plus i feel Miraak is the best example of this. He is the only living DP and he was a Nord

[Jirki88]

Yeah they were ancient Nords that willingly submit to serve the dragons.

[sascomander]

Argonians.

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Toast eredeti hozzászólása:

The dragon priests were high ranking worshipers in the ancient Nord dragon cults. It's possible that a few of them could have been Bretons, though it's unlikely because the breeding of Man with Mer hadn't really taken a significant hold yet (Bretons are Manmeri).

I totally forgot about that Bretons are part elf and Nord, thank you for that

[Kor]

Actually it would be the Nedes, the group that was the ancestors of the Nords, and possibly brtons and Imperials.

[Diablerie]

If I recall, the dragons also ruled prominently over Akavir as well before the rise of the dragon hunters who began hunting them down, so it's not out of the question that other races served the dragons as priests, not just nords. You gotta remember that the dragons didn't like the day to day tasks of enforcing their wills on the people, so the priests were a go between, this holds true in whatever parts of the world they inhabited.

[Jirki88]

Kor eredeti hozzászólása:

Actually it would be the Nedes, the group that was the ancestors of the Nords, and possibly brtons and Imperials.

They were not Nedes. Technically they should probably be called Atmorans, because that's from where they came. As the book The Dragon War explains in-game.

Hell, the Nedes isn't even established as the ancestors of the Nords - that was Atmorans largely. Nedes may have interbred with them, but the Nedes were mainly based out of Hammerfell, and it was more of their culture that survived than their genes (through the Yokudans). They are however established as at least one part of the Cyrodiilic ancestry (in the Pocket Guide to the Empire).

[Diablerie]

Toast eredeti hozzászólása:

@Kor and @clown:

I'm a little hazy on my timeline, guys... but I'm pretty sure that during the time of the dragon priests, the Akaviri hadn't invaded yet and the Imperials weren't around either because The Empire hadn't been formed. Hell, I don't even think Reman Cyrodil's empire existed yet at that time. If you two are interested in the lore, you should maybe start looking into it a little deeper.

Now, there was a race of men in Akavir, but they were all wiped out at some point in the distant past, and the Akaviri invaders were basically snake people. If you wanted to roleplay as an Akaviri man, you'd have to invent some kind of backstory to explain why and how you came to Skyrim. Hell, you could stretch any race to work with some kind of explanation in the character's backstory, but if you wanted to be absolutely strict about it, Nord is basically the only option, with the possible exception of Breton.

My point was that the dragons existed in other parts of the world and not just skyrim, skyrim of course just happens to be where this game takes place. I was simply saying it's not unreasonable that some of the dragons may have had servants in other parts of the world, possibly priests as well since the dragons don't particularly like dealing with the masses themselves. Obviously skyrim is the center point, but I would find it a bit silly that ALL dragons centered in on this one area despite the rest of Tamriel being open to them.

[Jirki88]

Original child clown outlet eredeti hozzászólása:

If I recall, the dragons also ruled prominently over Akavir as well before the rise of the dragon hunters who began hunting them down, so it's not out of the question that other races served the dragons as priests, not just nords. You gotta remember that the dragons didn't like the day to day tasks of enforcing their wills on the people, so the priests were a go between, this holds true in whatever parts of the world they inhabited.

There is no mention of dragons ruling in Akavir. The mention of dragons in Akavir is in the book Mysterious Akavir, where it is mentioned that the Tsaesci tried to 'eat' the dragons after having eaten all the men, but they only managed to enslave the Red Dragons and make the Black Dragons flee to Po Tun, and after a war between Ka Po' Tun and Tsaesci the dragons of Akavir were extict. The Ka Po' Tun leader Tosh Raka is also mentioned to have managed to become a dragon.

With that book as basis, which is the only lore basis of dragons on Akavir, it's impossible to say whether the dragons of Tamriel and the dragons of Akavir were even the same species. There certainly is no indications of any contact between Tamriel and Akavir that would indicate that the dragon priests of Skyrim were anything but Atmorans (Nords).

[Kor]

Jirki88 eredeti hozzászólása:

Kor eredeti hozzászólása:

Actually it would be the Nedes, the group that was the ancestors of the Nords, and possibly brtons and Imperials.

They were not Nedes. Technically they should probably be called Atmorans, because that's from where they came. As the book The Dragon War explains in-game.

Hell, the Nedes isn't even established as the ancestors of the Nords - that was Atmorans largely. Nedes may have interbred with them, but the Nedes were mainly based out of Hammerfell, and it was more of their culture that survived than their genes (through the Yokudans). They are however established as at least one part of the Cyrodiilic ancestry (in the Pocket Guide to the Empire).

Actually, the Nedes were the people who came from Atmora, so I suppose it would be interchangable with Atmoran.

Although the origins of the Nedic peoples are hotly debated, the most widely accepted theory is that they came from Atmora in many waves, and after arriving in what is now Skyrim they soon began to spread throughout much of Tamriel. While their beginnings are murky, the earliest known traces of human presence in Tamriel have been dated to the mid-Merethic Era circa ME 1000.[5]

Straight from Uesp. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nede

Atmora (meaning Elder Wood in Ehlnofex[1]) is a continent to the north of Tamriel, and tradition holds that it was from here that the first humans came to Tamriel.[2][3] The name is a corrupted form of the Aldmeris title "Altmora", a designation for the northernmost landmass inhabited by mer.[4] The ancient Nords called Atmora "the land of truth".[5] It was the homeland of the Nedic peoples, who were the ancestors of the modern Nords, Imperials, and Bretons.[6]

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Atmora

So seeing as they very likely were from Atmora, it would not be too unlikely that they were indeed part of the Dragon Cult.

[Void#151625]

this seems to be a discussion on who ate yesterday what bread....
kinda half useless intel..... unless you base fact on fictorial fiction on guessed history....
cause who wrote these books old histories from there bedroom threw hersay and old tales. meaning those details are after lore pretty fact less and more fictonal rather then fact....

if you take these into consideration you must take these intel with part truth part fiction and read between the lines....

what im talking about are the ingame lore books that are explaining the lore..... and that are mostly based on the racials point of view who wrote it..... since it was no akaviir who wrote these books it makes all that intel mostly fiction and partly fact.....

and since no dragon priest has down documented on the situation its all wild guessing....

they only way to give a proper lore to that situation would be giving either a time traveling solution or other high plot from either deadra or aedra..... or even from dragons for that matter.....

since only the winners of wars write history that makes all documents only partly right from the winners stand point..... since its onesided intel one can not call it fact ....

but rather is biasd intel form the winners stand point.....

since one needs to hear all sides in a fight where all sides are biased to themself...

and only because in general is in one way, doesnt mean that it been like that for everyone.
a minority could have existed that had it diffrent.... but that minoraty maybe didnt document and been that wide spread from history or its documents been removed from history...
one never knows unless one meets these poeple.....


because we must remeber time can distort all facts into fiction.....

[Jirki88]

Kor eredeti hozzászólása:

Jirki88 eredeti hozzászólása:

They were not Nedes. Technically they should probably be called Atmorans, because that's from where they came. As the book The Dragon War explains in-game.

Hell, the Nedes isn't even established as the ancestors of the Nords - that was Atmorans largely. Nedes may have interbred with them, but the Nedes were mainly based out of Hammerfell, and it was more of their culture that survived than their genes (through the Yokudans). They are however established as at least one part of the Cyrodiilic ancestry (in the Pocket Guide to the Empire).

Actually, the Nedes were the people who came from Atmora, so I suppose it would be interchangable with Atmoran.

Although the origins of the Nedic peoples are hotly debated, the most widely accepted theory is that they came from Atmora in many waves, and after arriving in what is now Skyrim they soon began to spread throughout much of Tamriel. While their beginnings are murky, the earliest known traces of human presence in Tamriel have been dated to the mid-Merethic Era circa ME 1000.[5]

Straight from Uesp. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nede

Atmora (meaning Elder Wood in Ehlnofex[1]) is a continent to the north of Tamriel, and tradition holds that it was from here that the first humans came to Tamriel.[2][3] The name is a corrupted form of the Aldmeris title "Altmora", a designation for the northernmost landmass inhabited by mer.[4] The ancient Nords called Atmora "the land of truth".[5] It was the homeland of the Nedic peoples, who were the ancestors of the modern Nords, Imperials, and Bretons.[6]

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Atmora

So seeing as they very likely were from Atmora, it would not be too unlikely that they were indeed part of the Dragon Cult.

The Nedes came in waves BEFORE those who is mentioned in The Dragon War. These believed in "Celestials", e.g. the stars, not the animal cults of the latter ones where the Dragons were highest. By the time Ysgramor and other Atmorans came the Nedes were spread-out tribes with their central home in Hammerfell but with presence in Cyrodiil, High Rock and Skyrim as well, e.g. they were more or less natives by then.

I'd say the likelihood of any given Dragon Priest being Atmoran (Proto-Nord) is very close to 100%. Obviously there could have been others too, but the Nedes worshipped the stars and not the animals, so it's unlikely anything but exceptional individuals of that race would have risen through the ranks of the Dragon Cult to be actual Dragon Priests.