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No, he allows the wedding, then proceeds to allow you to continue the questline and conquer Solitude. If you do it the other way around, then the Dark Brotherhood questline also halts and the person giving you the quest pretty much tells you to finish conquering Solitude because you are screwing up their plans.
I'm getting the feeling you only bothered reading up on a fraction of the lore. Hammerfell was actually supported by "invalidated" legionaires, basically "we aren't saying they are ours, so it's no business to us if they support Hammerfell". So Hammerfell technically only regained it's territory through off the record Imperial help. The Empire also lost a lot of it's power since the Oblivion Crisis, and that's largely internal, as the Medes dynasty is nowhere near as well run as the Septim one. You also need to consider that quite frankly, fighting the Dominion in the Summerset Isles has historically not been a good idea, and it took Talos using a giant freaking robot to do it. The Empire does not have that advantage anymore. So the Dominion being in a weakened state, doesn't mean much since the Empire would have a very hard time closing the war.
"No, Torygg had to go like Balgruuf. They were the same"
Why? Nothing ingame supports this. Several characters noted Torygg probably would have declared independence if Ulfric asked.
The Thalmor are actually behind the civil war. Ulfric was unknowingly used as a Thalmor pawn to start it:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Thalmor_Dossier:_Ulfric_Stormcloak
Ulfric starting the civil war was the best thing the Thalmor could hope to happen.
The Emperor says he must die, not that he deserves to. He believes it's pointless to fight back against the Dark Brotherhood.
As for what happens if you do a Stormcloak victory before finishing the main quest, which I think is what you are asking?
Legate Rikke appears in Sovrngarde and basically says that the civil war just pointlessly made Alduin stronger, but she doesn't blame anyone in particular or give any indication she changed her mind after death. Tullius does not make it into Sovrngarde, but he isn't a nord so that's to be expected.
Try finding the Cyrodil Imperial who actually says the Empire is crumbling and Skyrim is his home. He wanders the rode. I found him only once. Then there is you...
But if Skyrim is wanted for the next war...okay...if that is your goal they are already in it. So what's the point of this war then?
And the court wizard in Solitude conflicts when she says that Torygg would have seceded, but instead she says he didn't because he still believed in the empire. Balgruuf and everyone else are wishy washy, know the Empire was evil and wrong and close to slaves to the Thalmor, yet they just don't want Ulfric on the throne or for any bloodshed. Sentiments shared by Ulfric himself if you pay attention. But this is fear of war. Stupid pacifism for pacifism sake.
Empire shouldn't be around after humanity as three separate nations, hsmmerfell, the Medes empire, and Skyrim beat the dominion. Do you plan to conquer hammerfell for the Empire again as well? Or do you want freedom to fight the elves and live. Because the Empire cannot promise the cake and withhold it at the same time. That's hypocritical. They say they are going to do this, yet dont. I don't have faith in them, and even if I believed them...I should then destroy them for accepting the Thalmor. We might as well surrendered to them completely so it wasn't so confusing who to kill;the Thalmor and their representatives. Ulfric may have been manipulated to be angrier than the status quo, but he was at least pushed to do the right thing, and who's victory topples their plans. The Empire willingly accepts Thalmor rule and terms, and enforces them by fighting a civil war against its own people.
Online I read the dialogue, it sounded like he meant the whole of his failure with the people was deserved and that was why he was being assassinated. But I cannot remember well enough, so I'll trust you for now.
And it's the civil war, not the cause that is helpful to them. I could say the White Gold Concordant actually was the first step of that plan, since without it the Thalmor wouldn't have Imperial permission to enterskyrim, to motivate Ulfric by egging him on with the truth of Imperial betrayal, to cause the crackdown on Talos, civil war, and unchecked Thalmor presence. Isn't killing Talos worship and men their plans? Who is more lenient to Dominion rule and conquest, ulfric, or the Empire who always sacrifices the province first and is pliable itself?
Look at the Grey-Mane and Battle-Borns...no I'm not comparing decadence. Do the Battle-Borns really get to decide that the Grey-Mane get to lose their son so the Empire can decide on peace right when it did instead of fighting for better terms? And why are you surprised someone says the Empire isnt protecting anyone, so what's the point?
Multiple times the stormcloaks say true sons and daughters of Skyrim to you...if you are a high elf. They ask you the same with Galmar who says he is not interested in sell swords, he wants true sons of Skyrim who bleed for the land. And racism is pointless. Everyone is racist in tamriel except for slight tolerance of Imperials who ignore most others! That is why the Cyrodil walks to windhelm. Denying someone's freedom just for racism is racist. Slaves in the American Revolution anyone? Plus, you are now saying hammerfell was wrongbtoo, or us, who aren't racist like all of the nords ironically recruited by the legion, and who play the game and know, along with many imperials in game who say the same thing, including Hadvar, that the treaty is wrong and was a bad thing from the empire. Forget racism!it's a hot topic the game throws in from our modern messed up culture now. That was just trying to confuse things, and has little relevancy.
He didn't because he was pro Empire. Several characters stated he might have changed his stance and seceded if Ulfric asked him since he looked up to Ulfric.
Hammerfell's secession was essentially a loophole that allowed Hammerfell to reclaim lands without breaking the peace treaty.
Also stop with the "we" and "you" crap because we aren't ingame, and you aren't living in Tamriel.
The civil war was because a united Empire is stronger than a divided one. I mean I can just flip around what you've been saying:
"Ulfric is evil because he turned his back on the empire in their time of need and started a bloody war killing his own people despite the risk of an upcoming war with the actual instigators of his stated cause for rebellion."
Even ingame the pro-Empire nords essentially refer to Ulfric's revolution as being fair weather friends with the Empire, essentially abandoning it the moment it's not doing so well.
Doesn't change the fact that Ulfric was basically a pawn for the Thalmor, their dossier on him essentially treats him as a game piece to further their own agenda. They knew what he would do, and let him go do it. All the blood in the civil war is on his hands, and the only people really helped by the whole thing are himself and the Thalmor.
You keep talking about how the Empire betrayed it's people, but you are completely ignoring that it's heavily hinted that the Empire is just biding it's time for a second great war, and that the Empire didn't even enforce the Talos ban in Skyrim until the Thalmor forced them after the start of the civil war.
Imperium > All
protected and essantial is better option then haveing npc die.. and then revive.
protected is set with setprotect (ingame formid) 1
essential is set with setessential (ingame formid) 1
to check status for:
protected: setprotect (ingame formid)
essential setessential (ingame formid)
to get ingame formid type help (npc name , item name, ....)
protected can only be killed by player.
essential can only go down to knee and will never die.
Here is the real math: Empire = Nine provinces. -3 for the Dominion gets us six. Subtract Black Marsh and Morrowind since they weren't in the Great war. 4 human provinces left.
Then hammerfell secede as both a loophole and because hammerfell didn't want to be in the empire or stop fighting. It was the reason the Empire had to let them outside of their protection, to maintain their own false peace. You left that out. They calculated things differently than the empire and won the Great War in hammerfell five years later. That is fact. Whether the invalid legion vets were involved at that point is as doubtful as every nord fighting for Ulfric against the empires wishes. But we don't know.
Either, three provinces vs. Three. Still cannot get rid of Skyrim because it's uneven? Pay attention.
Ulfric removes skyrim from the empire, so you have two. But wait...only half will follow. So one half is Imperial, the other is Stormcloak. Precise numbers on both sides are unknown. Once the civil war is over, half is defeated the other half victorious but a bit used. So the province is at a fraction of unknown amount of its strength. This is the piece either the Empire or Stormcloaks get, right? Everyone gets this right? They only get a weakened version of the old province either way in the end. But you need to end t by email war so either Ulfric or the Empire get wise about the secret stuff the Thalmor are doing and the real reason they started the civil war. Not just to weaken and divide, but for asecret mission. And both the treaty of the empire and Ulfric caused it with their help. This asset thing isn't one sided in any case since the Empire fought back and signed the Concordat, then enforced it. More about that later.
Final equations: empire + skyrim is 2 plus 1, giving the Empire a total of 4 provinces to fight with against the Thalmor. But if Skyrim is independent, then that is empire - skyrim= 3 -1 which is still four to fight with. That's the math.
How? Hammerfell and Skyrim both still have intent and grudges to kill the Thalmor. Imperial skyrim is no different outcomes than independent skyrim.
Now choose. Either the Empire who may play things too weekly, being fairweather fighters themselves, or the Nords who are hardier. You can keep a treaty and empire that is generally agreed to be bad on both sides and came from the enemy, or the ability to live and wait because treaties don't matter. If both sides are too weak to fight, the Thalmor cannot fight because they are long term fighters too. Equal sides still, all things considered. But no Thalmor in skyrim and hammerfell. Just Cyrodil and high rock. No abuse of citizens or sacrificing them for a false peace ands lie. Some on both side, from The Great War book, flea clearly like hammerfell it wasn't necessary. No mistakes this time, its to the death. Why do you think the Empire didn't kill the thalmor before they fought the war, took three provinces from them. Do you thin that after a couple chances they will kill them next time. I do. But only because they learned from their mistakes and understand they were mistakes.
If the High King wasn't declaring independecne and was pro-Imperial...Then how are you condemning Ulfric's cause particularly. If he won't join despite knowing what should be done, then yes, he has got to go. If he would have turned and joined Ulfric, then join him. Why argue this? We offer the axe to Balgruuf, he says no. If he would've been turned to the cause, then why are we arguing this? Ulfric could know that no better than you and me could tell who will change their mind is this debate. That is a difficult choice, to offer an oppurtunity or fight. And Ulfric made his.
As for Ambition...Go to Windhelm. No...First go to Riften and talk to the Jarl's son. Then everywhere else in Skyrim, then go to Windhelm. Listen to what he first says, and what the real man does appear to be. He speaks of retirement from it all, the cost of war, reluctance to fight, giving people time to decide things in their heart, asking why Galmar fights, if not for HIM then what?, and goes on a tirade of reasons, from the Great War to then, about why the Emperor was an idiot. Do the first quest and listen again to his reluctance to fight Balgruuf. His desire for no bloodshed. You've heard what he says to Leggate Rikka at the end. Wait til the Jagged Crown, then decide for real.
And again, you really think he just killed Torygg to have the crown? Good luck. Liten to the guy, unless irritated against him, you can tell he is sinceere and on his last leg after his father, twice imprisoned, no Talos, and no true freedom, but peace! Lots of peace! For what its worth. Would you have advised peace over fighting back in America against British rule during the Revolution? Just to live longer...
You go to war expecting the possibility of death and hazarding it. Ulfric is familiar with war and knows not everyone is. Those of the empire who are mad he just made war, are not willing to hazard their lives to gain anything.
They made both sides sincere, both sides equal, and both sides can be considered hypocritical. The only problem is the Great War is the tipping point. The question of either fighting the Thalmor sincerely or defending a morally and militarily confused and poor Empire answers the debate. There is no stronger, or greater good, for the Empire. Ulfric and them agree on what did happen, just how to handle it. One says fight, then keep fighting, until the Thalmor are dead. The other says to die, and keep dying, until you aren't dead anymore.
If there was no Thalmor there wouldn't have been a Civil War.
Just figured we'd stop right there before launching through another misguided wall of text.
But let's be clear. Why not let Skyrim go like Hammerfell, then offer help to both provinces if the Empire can give more than it takes. Because we say Skyrim needs the Empire, but Empire says the opposite, even though in The Great War and you guys have said, "Oh...Well the empire helped with discharged legion vets." So who needs who, when everyone is fighting later, and two provinces decided to stick it alone in order to escape the treaty and thalmor. The Empire can handle its own treaties, let the provinces go so they can stay alive peacefully and truly for a few years before they come back into the fold (if they should) or help out in the War to come.