Way of The Wise

[Loukingree]

So, I'm suffering with some bosses on way of the wise.. To be fair I can deal with instakill in ANY hit from anyone, but I'm not even dealing damage anymore.

My gear is God in previous ways. Hayabusa set, Dragon Sword 220+22 reforged with essence A boost, and the other recomended ones. My status goes 99 essence, 50 strengh, 50 energy and so on. Using omnyo, ninjutsus (all the good ones).

The bosses just take an insane amount of damage and hit kill.. It's just annoying to be honest.

For example I won over the Warrior of the west fisrt encounter (Kelley), but It was a pain, took really long.. I made a calculation and he had about 200.000 HP and with buffs..

I'm struggling with centipede!! CENTIPEDE!
I think it's ok if the boss is faster and whatever but not only hitkill, I'm fighting tanks with sticks I feel?!

And not to speak about umi bozu.. Blighttown ♥♥♥♥♥♥ boss.

So, anyway to make this more entertaining? If I could deal enough damage at least.

[Tooth Fairy]

Set Confusion on them. As long as you are using Weakness + Carnage (or even better Leeching Talisman), and using the most updated weapon you can find (don't be the guy that tries to update his old weapon), you should do more than enough damage.

Worst case scenario add Sloth and/or summon. Living Weapon might help add some damage too, but it's probably going to be a minor boost unless you have a lot of your build revolving around it (helps as a "free KI mode" rather than its raw bonus damage).

[Noeat]

Originally posted by Tooth Fairy:

Set Confusion on them. As long as you are using Weakness + Carnage (or even better Leeching Talisman), and using the most updated weapon you can find (don't be the guy that tries to update his old weapon), you should do more than enough damage.

Worst case scenario add Sloth and/or summon. Living Weapon might help add some damage too, but it's probably going to be a minor boost unless you have a lot of your build revolving around it (helps as a "free KI mode" rather than its raw bonus damage).

he is at WotW..
i doubt Sloth help there :-D
weak talisman can help for few sec for LW burst
Great Centipede
Weakness: Wind
Resistances: Earth, Poison, Paralysis

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/comments/5u4nzn/yokaiboss_weakness_resistances_incomplete/

then u can go with wind GS and try burst her by LW / use wind talisman for your Dragon Sword

stats for Dragon Ninja are Heart>Skill>Strength
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2328873118

but actually better idea is just finish sidemissions to get to final mission in WotW and go to WotN
Kelley clones and thousands eyes are easy (ok, not rly easy, but u know.. its doable :) )

and ofc, u can bait centipede to go up.. and lead her on part where she just make circle around stone pillar.. then u will run away from her mouth and keep damaging her tail :)
use quick scrolls and u can everytime just jump down, heal yourself, or clear debuff/renew buffs and then go back from other side

[Tooth Fairy]

Sloth can probably double the amount of hits you can get in with each opening, even on WotN, so it can definitely still help.

Gale Shot and a Kato with Guardian Talisman would be much more effective for Confusion against that particular boss.

The Centipede specifically is also quite weak to KI damage and depletion, so that's an easy option too (loop this: parry against his chomp, dodge the followup, then attack his KI/set Confusion. Once out of KI go for the big damage burst).

Something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lltrp2-oRao

[Loukingree]

Originally posted by Tooth Fairy:

Set Confusion on them. As long as you are using Weakness + Carnage (or even better Leeching Talisman), and using the most updated weapon you can find (don't be the guy that tries to update his old weapon), you should do more than enough damage.

Worst case scenario add Sloth and/or summon. Living Weapon might help add some damage too, but it's probably going to be a minor boost unless you have a lot of your build revolving around it (helps as a "free KI mode" rather than its raw bonus damage).

I'll make some study on Consfusion. I've been using carnage, strengh pills, weakness and I get boosts whenever I use ninjutsus and get amrita. And now that you mentioned.. As I'm taking hitkill in everything I just realized I could be using Leeching talisman always as it won't make a difference.

As for living weapons I've been choosing a guardian spirit based on the element the boss is weak . I've been leveling them up to max as well.. I also have Kato maxed and atack bonuses for using it. But living weapon is just like you said, it doesn't do that much. I'm using the Wind Bat spirit as secondary.

And of course I always use sloth. I have my first space with Sloth, Weakness, paralitic ground fire and elixir. Second has Strengh pills, quick change scrolls (3), Rejuvenation talismans and Elixir (always on spot 1). Third space has spirit stones and amrita boosters and elixir. last has carnage, elixir and No sound No visibility.

I'll use leeching from now on.

[Loukingree]

Originally posted by Noeat:

Originally posted by Tooth Fairy:

Set Confusion on them. As long as you are using Weakness + Carnage (or even better Leeching Talisman), and using the most updated weapon you can find (don't be the guy that tries to update his old weapon), you should do more than enough damage.

Worst case scenario add Sloth and/or summon. Living Weapon might help add some damage too, but it's probably going to be a minor boost unless you have a lot of your build revolving around it (helps as a "free KI mode" rather than its raw bonus damage).

he is at WotW..
i doubt Sloth help there :-D
weak talisman can help for few sec for LW burst
Great Centipede
Weakness: Wind
Resistances: Earth, Poison, Paralysis

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/comments/5u4nzn/yokaiboss_weakness_resistances_incomplete/

then u can go with wind GS and try burst her by LW / use wind talisman for your Dragon Sword

stats for Dragon Ninja are Heart>Skill>Strength
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2328873118

but actually better idea is just finish sidemissions to get to final mission in WotW and go to WotN
Kelley clones and thousands eyes are easy (ok, not rly easy, but u know.. its doable :) )

and ofc, u can bait centipede to go up.. and lead her on part where she just make circle around stone pillar.. then u will run away from her mouth and keep damaging her tail :)
use quick scrolls and u can everytime just jump down, heal yourself, or clear debuff/renew buffs and then go back from other side

YES lol First time I saw a sunbro using sloth I was amazed it worked on bosses Now I even forget it sometimes as it barelly shows effect and the combat is more and more focused on ... IDK godmode.

I'm around level 300.. Not a fan of farming if the spot isn't efficient. Mystats> Body 39, Heart 99, Stamina 46 (I was planning on heavy armor at the beggining, don't really like watching spoiler full tutorials), Strengh 58, Skill 46, Hability 46, Dex 33, Magic 23, Spirit 19. I noticed the stats you mentioned leveled my katana damage yes.

I was doing a coop on the centipede and the person went to the spot you mentioned (or close enough). I used to it similar but on the big ladder to the right. The new thing I learned wich is great is the fact that I can block or stop the centipede running atack without dying. I might try that but honestly... Now you said by completing the side missions I can unlock the new areas, let's just move on lol

[Loukingree]

Originally posted by Louys:

Originally posted by Noeat:

he is at WotW..
i doubt Sloth help there :-D
weak talisman can help for few sec for LW burst
Great Centipede
Weakness: Wind
Resistances: Earth, Poison, Paralysis

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/comments/5u4nzn/yokaiboss_weakness_resistances_incomplete/

then u can go with wind GS and try burst her by LW / use wind talisman for your Dragon Sword

stats for Dragon Ninja are Heart>Skill>Strength
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2328873118

but actually better idea is just finish sidemissions to get to final mission in WotW and go to WotN
Kelley clones and thousands eyes are easy (ok, not rly easy, but u know.. its doable :) )

and ofc, u can bait centipede to go up.. and lead her on part where she just make circle around stone pillar.. then u will run away from her mouth and keep damaging her tail :)
use quick scrolls and u can everytime just jump down, heal yourself, or clear debuff/renew buffs and then go back from other side

YES lol First time I saw a sunbro using sloth I was amazed it worked on bosses Now I even forget it sometimes as it barelly shows effect and the combat is more and more focused on ... IDK godmode.

I'm around level 300.. Not a fan of farming if the spot isn't efficient. Mystats> Body 39, Heart 99, Stamina 46 (I was planning on heavy armor at the beggining, don't really like watching spoiler full tutorials), Strengh 58, Skill 46, Hability 46, Dex 33, Magic 23, Spirit 19. I noticed the stats you mentioned leveled my katana damage yes.

I was doing a coop on the centipede and the person went to the spot you mentioned (or close enough). I used to it similar but on the big ladder to the right. The new thing I learned wich is great is the fact that I can block or stop the centipede running atack without dying. I might try that but honestly... Now you said by completing the side missions I can unlock the new areas, let's just move on lol

And I've been looking at the wiki for boss weakness yes.. It's way of the wise lol gotta really know how to do it (When possible). Ain't going through major frustrations, would rather stop playing if the challenge is unfair. gotta take care of mental health. But I'm strong, came till here and love the game. I'm saving the last DLC region for way of the Nioh, so there's still lore curiosity for me.

[Loukingree]

Originally posted by Tooth Fairy:

Sloth can probably double the amount of hits you can get in with each opening, even on WotN, so it can definitely still help.

Gale Shot and a Kato with Guardian Talisman would be much more effective for Confusion against that particular boss.

The Centipede specifically is also quite weak to KI damage and depletion, so that's an easy option too (loop this: parry against his chomp, dodge the followup, then attack his KI/set Confusion. Once out of KI go for the big damage burst).

Something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lltrp2-oRao

Sloth is great indeed.
I never used magic shots, but they are probably the way to go for setting elemental effects(?). Kato is my main. Gonna keep the confusion concept in mind.

Great video. I see why use kusarigama, much faster. Katana is annoying when it doesn't deal great damage as it doesn't even have the best range. Do you use the blade arcanun for your kusarigama?
Oh you are using Wind on your weapon and fire with the GS.

Those were all great knowledge for The Way of the Wise
Gonna go give the video a like as well.
Edit: You have some vids on Nier! Great taste.. Sad game though. Ever watched SkillUp review on the game? fantastic.

[Tooth Fairy]

Word of advice: if you can't handle the normal story bosses on WotW you really shouldn't go for WotN on the DLC. I see it all the time, first-timers with no real build who do chip damage to the weakest of skeleton enemies, they get stuck playing DLC missions for the first time right on WotN, and end up summoning for someone to bail them out. Clueless players one after the other who are just going to either sit there and watch you clear the mission for them, or run ahead and get killed because they don't even know the mission layout. Don't be like that, do at least one explorative run on the lower difficulties to get your Kodamas out of the way and see what the new bosses are made of.

Knowing the elemental weaknesses isn't remotely as useful as knowing what patterns to exploit and what combos to use. Weaknesses only come into play for Confusion. Adding a bit of elemental damage to an already-low damage output won't change anything per-se. Also, the wikia pages are sometimes a bit misleading in which attacks you can/should use. For example the White Tiger boss (like most bosses) can be Confused with Gale Shot & Kato's Guardian Talisman fairly easily, but according to the wikia pages you'd probably try to use Water instead.

Side missions have arguably more forced fighting than story missions, if you are just running through the levels and fighting only the bosses. That's just personal preference I guess, but I'd rather have to learn one fight 1v1 than a bunch of stronger enemies clustered together who are likely more dangerous than one single boss. Either way, going for side missions seems kinda pointless since you're just postponing the figuring of a strategy for one more difficulty setting. I mean, soon enough you will be on WotN and you'll have to fight those bosses. Might as well start practicing now on a lower difficulty, and if you find something that works it will likely work on the highest difficulty too (this applies to the jump from WotW to WotN, anyway, since it's not a major jump). Your call, I guess.

I don't know what Blade Arcanum is (its English name must be something different). That Kusarigama was the latest one I had found. It was just a bit lower level than the sword you mentioned earlier. I can double-check, but it likely had no bonuses on it. The only bonus on that video was probably the +10% from the Iga Ninja bonus set, and as you can tell from the damage done it didn't matter (boss would have died even without that bonus).

If you use Leeching, make sure you have something with Tenacity on first.

Oh and if you are committed to dying in one hit, then consider a Critical build (Sanada's Crimson set and Hikoemon Hichimonji katana for another set). Not necessary, but it will help for sure with that style of play.

[Loukingree]

Originally posted by Tooth Fairy:

Word of advice: if you can't handle the normal story bosses on WotW you really shouldn't go for WotN on the DLC. I see it all the time, first-timers with no real build who do chip damage to the weakest of skeleton enemies, they get stuck playing DLC missions for the first time right on WotN, and end up summoning for someone to bail them out. Clueless players one after the other who are just going to either sit there and watch you clear the mission for them, or run ahead and get killed because they don't even know the mission layout. Don't be like that, do at least one explorative run on the lower difficulties to get your Kodamas out of the way and see what the new bosses are made of.

Knowing the elemental weaknesses isn't remotely as useful as knowing what patterns to exploit and what combos to use. Weaknesses only come into play for Confusion. Adding a bit of elemental damage to an already-low damage output won't change anything per-se. Also, the wikia pages are sometimes a bit misleading in which attacks you can/should use. For example the White Tiger boss (like most bosses) can be Confused with Gale Shot & Kato's Guardian Talisman fairly easily, but according to the wikia pages you'd probably try to use Water instead.

Side missions have arguably more forced fighting than story missions, if you are just running through the levels and fighting only the bosses. That's just personal preference I guess, but I'd rather have to learn one fight 1v1 than a bunch of stronger enemies clustered together who are likely more dangerous than one single boss. Either way, going for side missions seems kinda pointless since you're just postponing the figuring of a strategy for one more difficulty setting. I mean, soon enough you will be on WotN and you'll have to fight those bosses. Might as well start practicing now on a lower difficulty, and if you find something that works it will likely work on the highest difficulty too (this applies to the jump from WotW to WotN, anyway, since it's not a major jump). Your call, I guess.

I don't know what Blade Arcanum is. That Kusarigama was the latest one I had found. It was just a bit lower level than the sword you mentioned earlier. I can double-check, but it likely had no bonuses on it. The only bonus on that video was probably the +10% from the Iga Ninja bonus set, and as you can tell from the damage done it didn't matter (boss would have died even without that bonus).

If you use Leeching, make sure you have something with Tenacity on first.

I've been playing all the missions except for the last I want to save. Once there I'll start practicing it on lower levels. That's just strategy for keeping interest.
Now I'm no noob who relies on others, I saw that once yes when I guy was waiting while I killed the boss, wasn't very nice. But I'm close to 200 hours actually playing through the game, not just staring at others. Didn't mean to bother.

Now you've got great knowledge, the type wich is hard to get. Thanks for sharing.
As for getting bonuses or not, sides missions first or not, that's preference. If we all play the same there's no fun. I personally hate tanks, I like to deal damage. I'm good with my combat skills dodging and fighting along with enemies pattern. I Don't use the Hit n Run strategy.

As for jump from way of the wise to way of the nioh, There is more reasons to do that other than just skipping stuff. new wepons, new levels, a mission we like now being harder, etc.
After all this is just a game, entertainment. I'm just playing my way, not rellying entirelly on anyone. I like to cooperate, help n get help as well. But also paying attention to mental health, If I get to a point where I can't handle the dificulty I would rather quit, no reason to get to the end (just to say I did it? no).
I've seen how this game handles difficulty and moving forward is not going to make it easier I know, Rellying on others to complete the mission has no meaning to me.

Now aside from all that.. I've seen a LEVEL 1 Revenant appearing (a player) as I move forward.. Do you think this guy is seriouslly making a SL1 run through all Ways? lol that would be crazy, But I wonder how much stats matter.

[ungi.35]

hi, if you deal low damage i would suggest you get a good endgame build first.actually you wont get any new weapon s/items in wotn so you can already assemble the complete endgame build in wotw. with a decent build the damage should be fine even against higher difficulty bosses. first of all respec your stats (respeccing is really easy). dont waste points in stamina unless you really need it (which you dont in a dragon ninja build). get yasakani magatama .use 6 pieces dragon ninja and 3 pieces of a grace you like (i suggest izanagi for the 3piece bonus which provides a damagebuff whenever you get healed. there are ways to trigger it with every hit you do such as life recovery from amrita absorbtion on armour+extraction talisman or close combat attack life drain on weapon). stuff like sloth are worse at higher difficulties unless you invest in them (high magic stat and extend duration (sloth) on accesoires)because they last very little time but buffs for yourself are great (leeching and carnage are the best especially great during lw. for leeching roll tenacity(recurrent damage) on armour so you dont die from it). use a good gs. roll good effects on your weapons.

for more detailed information i suggest you take a look at this guide:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2271422479

[ungi.35]

also if you need any help getting your build together (for example defiling in the abyss) you can add me as a friend and i can help

[Tooth Fairy]

Well, he's a Revenant now. Seems being level 1 didn't do him much good, at least on that particular run lol

But yea, levels themselves aren't necessarily the most important factor, although they do limit the options in terms of Onmyo you can use. Maybe he was just farming drops from other Revenants. Maybe he forgot to re-level after respeccing. Or maybe it was a legit attempt, it's definitely possible. Bit weird to see someone attempting a lv 1 challenge on the non-highest difficulty, but whatever I guess.

There's nothing wrong with summoning to get someone to help. The annoying thing is when those players bite WAY more than they can chew, and they know it, and instead of being humble and lowering the difficulty they will just pray and wait for someone to bail them out just so they can see a checkmark on the mission's icon, saying that "they" cleared it. Which isn't a problem on its own either, except when they make someone else waste their time because they keep re-summoning and dying over and over in coop. At least a few of them have the decency to literally hide away in a corner and do nothing at all, so the fight can go down like a normal 1v1 (minus the fact you probably have the wrong build for that particular fight). Some others, instead, will do the dumbest sh-it, like hitting the enemy it took a whole minute to knock down for a finishing blow, just so that the enemy can get back up because of that one stupid hit. Or, you know, just flat out get killed and ending the mission there and then. Anyway.

You might want to read the last paragraph of my previous post, which I added after you quoted/read the message.

[Loukingree]

Originally posted by ungi.35:

also if you need any help getting your build together (for example defiling in the abyss) you can add me as a friend and i can help

Thank you very much. I'll read the guide for sure.

[Loukingree]

Originally posted by Tooth Fairy:

Well, he's a Revenant now. Seems being level 1 didn't do him much good, at least on that particular run lol

But yea, levels themselves aren't necessarily the most important factor, although they do limit the options in terms of Onmyo you can use. Maybe he was just farming drops from other Revenants. Maybe he forgot to re-level after respeccing. Or maybe it was a legit attempt, it's definitely possible. Bit weird to see someone attempting a lv 1 challenge on the non-highest difficulty, but whatever I guess.

There's nothing wrong with summoning to get someone to help. The annoying thing is when those players bite WAY more than they can chew, and they know it, and instead of being humble and lowering the difficulty they will just pray and wait for someone to bail them out just so they can see a checkmark on the mission's icon, saying that "they" cleared it. Which isn't a problem on its own either, except when they make someone else waste their time because they keep re-summoning and dying over and over in coop. At least a few of them have the decency to literally hide away in a corner and do nothing at all, so the fight can go down like a normal 1v1 (minus the fact you probably have the wrong build for that particular fight). Some others, instead, will do the dumbest sh-it, like hitting the enemy it took a whole minute to knock down for a finishing blow, just so that the enemy can get back up because of that one stupid hit. Or, you know, just flat out get killed and ending the mission there and then. Anyway.

You might want to read the last paragraph of my previous post, which I added after you quoted/read the message.

Hmm now that you mentioned lol I experienced those things, specially when I paralize a revenant to backstab him and sometimes the sunbro hits it before. These things are annoying indeed, and it's frustrating to keep failling in the same mission. I understand.

[Loukingree]

Originally posted by Tooth Fairy:

Word of advice: if you can't handle the normal story bosses on WotW you really shouldn't go for WotN on the DLC. I see it all the time, first-timers with no real build who do chip damage to the weakest of skeleton enemies, they get stuck playing DLC missions for the first time right on WotN, and end up summoning for someone to bail them out. Clueless players one after the other who are just going to either sit there and watch you clear the mission for them, or run ahead and get killed because they don't even know the mission layout. Don't be like that, do at least one explorative run on the lower difficulties to get your Kodamas out of the way and see what the new bosses are made of.

Knowing the elemental weaknesses isn't remotely as useful as knowing what patterns to exploit and what combos to use. Weaknesses only come into play for Confusion. Adding a bit of elemental damage to an already-low damage output won't change anything per-se. Also, the wikia pages are sometimes a bit misleading in which attacks you can/should use. For example the White Tiger boss (like most bosses) can be Confused with Gale Shot & Kato's Guardian Talisman fairly easily, but according to the wikia pages you'd probably try to use Water instead.

Side missions have arguably more forced fighting than story missions, if you are just running through the levels and fighting only the bosses. That's just personal preference I guess, but I'd rather have to learn one fight 1v1 than a bunch of stronger enemies clustered together who are likely more dangerous than one single boss. Either way, going for side missions seems kinda pointless since you're just postponing the figuring of a strategy for one more difficulty setting. I mean, soon enough you will be on WotN and you'll have to fight those bosses. Might as well start practicing now on a lower difficulty, and if you find something that works it will likely work on the highest difficulty too (this applies to the jump from WotW to WotN, anyway, since it's not a major jump). Your call, I guess.

I don't know what Blade Arcanum is (its English name must be something different). That Kusarigama was the latest one I had found. It was just a bit lower level than the sword you mentioned earlier. I can double-check, but it likely had no bonuses on it. The only bonus on that video was probably the +10% from the Iga Ninja bonus set, and as you can tell from the damage done it didn't matter (boss would have died even without that bonus).

If you use Leeching, make sure you have something with Tenacity on first.

Oh and if you are committed to dying in one hit, then consider a Critical build (Sanada's Crimson set and Hikoemon Hichimonji katana for another set). Not necessary, but it will help for sure with that style of play.

Nice tips, I will take a look at that equipment. As I said, It fits my playstyle. I like to deal damage and receive no damage, so I usually fight and build my character in a way I can do that. But I do not like hit n run myself, so good thing It's posible to duel with these enemies most of the times.. Now for some double bosses like some in Omi region you can trully say I've been skipping.

Sanada's Crimson set and Hikoemon Hichimonji katana