Nioh: Complete Edition

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Bobbers Feb 26, 2019 @ 12:11pm
Am I doing something wrong? (Hino Enma) (Got Better)
I had to summon help to beat the boss with the two giant ball-chains and now I'm stuck on the third boss (weird demon spider creature woman thing) and I can't even deal 25% HP in damage. Her attacks are all so damn quick that I can't even imagine how to properly react to any of them and two hits are enough to put me dangerously close to death while she takes a 50th of her HP from a basic attack. Not only that but there doesn't seem to be a decent window to attack. Her quick moves leave me low on KI from dodging or blocking.
So how do I go about this?

I tried again this morning and beat her first try. One hit away from death but a victory nontheless. So that's cool!
Last edited by Bobbers; Feb 26, 2019 @ 10:05pm
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Leon Feb 26, 2019 @ 12:18pm 
Get close to her, she will attack you, dodge to the side to get behind her, attack, dodge, repeat.
LPM Feb 26, 2019 @ 12:25pm 
u can collect fragments to make easier the fight, hiragumo fragments

about dps, what is ur main weapon? stats, gear, etc

the first boss, yeah, is normal. but after some bosses u will learn how to deal with them

about the spider, well, as usual, learn her attack patterns. her back, tail, is the weak point

but first lets check ur build
Bobbers Feb 26, 2019 @ 12:38pm 
This is my first time so I dont know what I'm doing, I'm using a sword as my main weapon
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1667700634
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1667705172
Leon Feb 26, 2019 @ 12:43pm 
you're level 20, using a crap lvl 5 sword, that is one of the things lacking. now... idk how but aren't you a bit under leveled to be lvl 20 only at that map already?
Fel Feb 26, 2019 @ 12:43pm 
All of the early bosses seem to have a weakness in their moveset, but it's not always easy to notice i and they can change during the second phase.

The balls boss nearly seems to be designed to kill dark souls players (where you usually are safe when behind the early bosses), but his mid-range opions in front of him are very limited and telegraphed, so it's more of a waiting game, landing a hit here and there and keeping at mid range and in front as much as possible to avoid triggering the "sweep".

The bat lady on the other hand is extremely dangerous at mid and long range (the hard to dodge paralysis being something that can often mean death) but her close combat is surprisingly normal and short range (you need to learn about her grab, the rest is fairly easy to avoid if you can manage the big red demons and the cyclops that are everywhere right before the boss).

What I found helpful against her were spears, specifically the mid stance's heavy attack (thrust), but anything that outranges her arms and can land a thrust or similar attack without needing the high stance.

Depending on how it goes, remember that you have your living weapon, and the consumables that give amrita can be used to recharge it, so while you can't exactly use that strategy all the time it is a good way to deal a fairly large amount of damage without risking death too much.
You can also use the living weapon mode (without consumables) to give yourself a bit more time if you want to learn her moves as it lets you take a few more hits.

But yeah, the bosses in this game can be really frustrating and their high damage often means that you can die from a single combo if it fully lands, so as someone that already rage quit the game for months once I can only tell you "good luck", because the game is really worth it when you can finally access more and more content.
Leon Feb 26, 2019 @ 12:49pm 
wait a min, i thought he was talking about Joro-Gumo the spider lady boss lol... i guess he means Hino - Enma, makes sense now.

OP chance your title or your thread to mention Hino enma so people wont get confused when helping you, at least i did.

you need to learn her close combat attack pattern, there is an item u can use to cure paralysis, cant remember the name but it is called Anti-paralytic Needle if im not mistaken, if she ever paralyzed you, just use the item, it activate instantly, and u can dodge or move around safely again.
Bobbers Feb 26, 2019 @ 12:56pm 
The attack I'm struggling with is her spinning move, which gets me 99% of the time. Other moves I can semi-reliably evade at this point. Her paralysis attacks are easy to dodge, however.
Last edited by Bobbers; Feb 26, 2019 @ 12:58pm
LPM Feb 26, 2019 @ 1:07pm 
ahhhhh, hino enma

i hater her hahaha

yeah, that spin attack. when flying, when shooting the para attack


mmmm, if dash toward her when spinning? dont remember well what attacks can be dodged doing that

for example, there is an ice lady boss, when she throws her weapon, dodge toward her

mmmm, there is a magic to slower her. sloth talisman is the name? it can help u a lot


kill some graves, revenants, to get some gear. is the best way to farm gear in ur current NG
Last edited by LPM; Feb 26, 2019 @ 1:08pm
bgm.1 Feb 26, 2019 @ 1:55pm 
Can't use Sloth at that early game , not available. If desperate get someone to help. That's how the games been designed.

WhiteLezard Feb 26, 2019 @ 10:24pm 
Hino-enma is one of my favorite bosses in the game. It's a shame how many of the bosses lack the attack variety she has.
LPM Feb 26, 2019 @ 10:28pm 
yeah, sometimes a break is the best to clear the mind and play better haha
Azura Mar 1, 2019 @ 4:05am 
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/374089833

First of all: Level doesn't matter in this game. It all comes down to gears, passives and active skills you use

On particular matter, Hino Enma can be tricky with new player. However, there are few things can help u destroy her pretty easily:
- Ki Pulse and Ki pulse while dodging to clear Yokai Realms she puts on the floor.
- Katana user can use Kick or Sword Ki pretty early to destroy her Ki Pool, Once she is downed, you can perform Iai quickdraw or Morning Moon then back off (her wake up attack can kill you)
- Find Paralysis Onamori Charm in a chest, behind a dweller who throws bombs at u (you would see 1 Yoki, 1 one eyed oni sitting together while a dweller is on a upper platform, the chest is behind that dweller). Using Paralysis Charm would prevent you from 1 hit Paralysis (but still paralysis will build up if u keep getting hit).
Cyseal Mar 1, 2019 @ 5:47am 
Originally posted by skbean02:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/374089833

First of all: Level doesn't matter in this game. It all comes down to gears, passives and active skills you use

On particular matter, Hino Enma can be tricky with new player. However, there are few things can help u destroy her pretty easily:
- Ki Pulse and Ki pulse while dodging to clear Yokai Realms she puts on the floor.
- Katana user can use Kick or Sword Ki pretty early to destroy her Ki Pool, Once she is downed, you can perform Iai quickdraw or Morning Moon then back off (her wake up attack can kill you)
- Find Paralysis Onamori Charm in a chest, behind a dweller who throws bombs at u (you would see 1 Yoki, 1 one eyed oni sitting together while a dweller is on a upper platform, the chest is behind that dweller). Using Paralysis Charm would prevent you from 1 hit Paralysis (but still paralysis will build up if u keep getting hit).

First of all; Levels DO matter in this game.
Without levels (points in attributes), you can't get skills/spells through the Dojo.
Without enough stat investing, you can't get the armor bonuses from different armor, not to mention the set armor bonuses.
Without points put into various stats, you are severely gimped early game compared to someone who HAS put points into various stats.

Levels matter quite a bit in the first half of the game, but after that, they become a small bonus instead of making you a powerhouse.

For Hino-Enma, use either a fast weapon OR low stance (the quick stance) until you know what she does and when is a time to attack her. There is no need to clear the Yokai realm puddles 'cause the arena is pretty huge and you can just fight elsewhere, unless you're naturally Ki Pulsing them as you fight. It's more important to dodge her hits than to clear some pointless pools.

Also, the most important tip; put your Antiparalytic needles on your quick bar. If you get paralyzed, you'll have plenty of time to use one and dodge her attack that is surely to follow the paralyzation.

Oh and do NOT forget to use your Living Weapon, especially if you're using Kato. You can use minor soulstones (the ones that give you 100 Amrita) to charge your Guardian Spirit or you can just kill some enemies before the boss.

And do not get greedy. She has attacks that varies; sometimes she kicks you two times, next time she kicks you three times. Always be sure to not go near her until she has finished her combo. You can block the needles she throws at you when she's up in the air, but you can't block the Paralyzation blast (she yells before throwing it).
puzzlefox Mar 1, 2019 @ 8:10am 
Kill some revnants to farm up some set pieces. Set bonuses make a huge difference.

Keep your agility at B or A

Try different weapons, see what feels right. Imo, tonfa works best against her. Low stance strong attacks in particular. Sword actually is not great against her until you unlock more skills.

She’s one of the few bosses where her elemental weakness is actually useful. She’s weak against lightning.

When you go into LW watch out for her grab attack.

Be aware that stance affects dodge invulnerability frames. Low stance having the highest, high stance having the lowest.
Fel Mar 1, 2019 @ 8:15am 
It's more of a question than an advice, but is it possible to use one of the parry skills on humanoid bosses?
I'm not exactly good enough to consistently land those even against normal enemies so I am a bit scared of trying it on a boss like that where it could spell near instant death to stand unprotected against a combo, but if it does work it might make mid stance swords a good candidate (combined with the kick "end combo" for bursting down her stamina).
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