what abyss floor for futsunushi set?

[Delaborga]

kinda confused about how it all works, i did the ogress, then hino then 100 eyes then hino again and left after i killed hino, didnt get any of futsu at all, do i need to kill ogress after hino again?

talking about the lower floors 33+ or do i start at 34 and go up to 37, so confusing

[puzzlefox]

Go one more boss, after hino #2, then you fight ogress again. That is where futsunushi drops/defiles. As well as the glorious izanagi pieces.

Start at 33, this will give divines the max chance to turn ethereal.

Ogress > hino > hundy eye > hino > ogress

[montengo]

Originally posted by puzzlefox:

Start at 33, this will give divines the max chance to turn ethereal.

interesting. are you saying the chances are gimped for floors 21-32 (old graces mostly)? or in other words, are you saying that if OP starts on floor 27 and exit after beating boss on floor 31 his chances of getting futsunushi grace are much lower than if he uses higher floors? like noticeably lower than for example start at 33 and exit after boss on 37?

BTW is there a list of graces available per slot somewhere? Like what graces you should not try to defile on boots for example.

[Medusahead]

Nioh has 3 set patterns for graces that repeat every 3 floors, so say it starts at 34 the next one will be 37, then 40 etc.

Best way to get a grace on your gear is to do the following:

1. Forge a bunch of gear with NO INHERITABLE TRAIT.
2. Defile then raise defilement point on the gear to 3 by beating floor bosses.
3. Leave on the floor number that has the grace you want.
4. Not all will turn to ethereals but you can increase your odds by forging and defiling duplicates.

The one thing which not even I have the patience for is getting a bow with grace inheritance, you can defile bows but you can never forge the super rare unlimited ammo abyss trait.

Never waste your droplets of decay on forged inhertible gear. You'll just end up with one less trait on your gear. Getting some basic ethereals is straightforward, all you need to do is leave on the floor with the grace you want. Gets super tricky when you're going after special unforgable stats.

[montengo]

^^I'm honestly lost on why you posted all this. It's not helping OP or talks about anything else mentioned so far.

this: "Never waste your droplets of decay on forged inhertible gear. You'll just end up with one less trait on your gear." does not feel right. It matters not if the item has inheritable slot or not. There are 7 slots available for effects. What you want to achieve at the end is an ethereal with all 7 slots filled. No empty slot, no wasted opportunity. That's all it is to it.

More, if the item you defiled does not have any inheritable slot and all 7 slots are used, you can't inherit anything to it from your other gear via soulmatch. In this case it's really bad to waste droplets on let's say boots where 6 slots are in use, no inheritable slot and you want to add later RFD 10.9% via inheritable.

[Medusahead]

All items have an inheritable slot. But if you forge an item that already has an inheritable on it then you can't soul match an extra trait onto it. When you soul match a new trait it will overwrite your current inheritable instead of adding one onto it leaving the 7th trait blank permenantly.

This is why you should always forge gear with no inheritable trait. Otherwise you get the situation where you're stuck with an ethereal with only 6 traits after spending ages grinding for it.

And the reason I posted this is because the OP is going for futsunushi, everything I posted is pretty much how you get the most out of ethereal gear.

[montengo]

Originally posted by Medusahead:

All items have an inheritable slot.

Nope.
here 2 examples:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/d7BF4bF.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/arj3VPg.jpg[/img]

Noticed how you can't add inheritable if all 7 effect slots already taken?

But if you forge an item that already has an inheritable on it

this does not make sense, consider re-wording.

This is why you should always forge gear with no inheritable trait. Otherwise you get the situation where you're stuck with an ethereal with only 6 traits after spending ages grinding for it.

again, no. when forging gear for defiling all you should consider is 7 slots used at the end, once the item turns into ethereal, and an inheritable slot present if you want to replace it later.

And the reason I posted this is because the OP is going for futsunushi, everything I posted is pretty much how you get the most out of ethereal gear.

all you posted is some generic stuff with no connection to futsunishi and injected some misinformation. no offense.

[Medusahead]

Originally posted by montengo:

Originally posted by Medusahead:

All items have an inheritable slot.

Nope.
here 2 examples:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/d7BF4bF.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/arj3VPg.jpg[/img]

Noticed how you can't add inheritable if all 7 effect slots already taken?

But if you forge an item that already has an inheritable on it

this does not make sense, consider re-wording.

This is why you should always forge gear with no inheritable trait. Otherwise you get the situation where you're stuck with an ethereal with only 6 traits after spending ages grinding for it.

again, no. when forging gear for defiling all you should consider is 7 slots used at the end, once the item turns into ethereal, and an inheritable slot present if you want to replace it later.

And the reason I posted this is because the OP is going for futsunushi, everything I posted is pretty much how you get the most out of ethereal gear.

all you posted is some generic stuff with no connection to futsunishi and injected some misinformation. no offense.

Because you're using gear with preset stats which is taking up your 7th slot that your inheritable could be taking. Gear with preset stats is TERRIBLE on ethereal gear because the value is preset at a much lower value wheras reforge traits can go much higher.

Take my sword for example: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1562053203

See how it is much higher on custom gear? And that is just from tempering, if I was to reforge 3 stats at once the +elemental value could be even higher.

So yeah I didn't go into detail about preset gear, but preset gear is absolutely terrible anyway and you should never use it. Best thing to do is to take an item, reforge 6 traits, then add the 7th through soul matching.

[puzzlefox]

Originally posted by montengo:

Originally posted by puzzlefox:

Start at 33, this will give divines the max chance to turn ethereal.

interesting. are you saying the chances are gimped for floors 21-32 (old graces mostly)? or in other words, are you saying that if OP starts on floor 27 and exit after beating boss on floor 31 his chances of getting futsunushi grace are much lower than if he uses higher floors? like noticeably lower than for example start at 33 and exit after boss on 37?

BTW is there a list of graces available per slot somewhere? Like what graces you should not try to defile on boots for example.

I'm not sure if floor <30 would still raise odds for defiling ethereals if you went 27-33. I'd have to assume no. I don't know why one would prefer to do it that way, that means you have to defeat tachibana, Ishida, and Kelley instead of ogress, hino, and hundred eyes. The floors 33-37 also have very weak curses, the player shouldn't even need to remove any of them. The worst one is create fire area on ogress #2.

[puzzlefox]

What Medusa is getting at is when you forge certain weapons, some weapons will always have one blank slot. Take the master swordsmans power dual swords for example. If you forge those, there will always be one blank slot on divines. If one of those slots is an inheritable trait, the blank slot will forever be blank. But if there is no inheritable trait slot, it can have one soul-matched in, thus filling the blank slot.

But if you are trying to get grace pieces, it's ok if there is one blank slot cause that slot will be filled by the grace title. If there are two blank slots though, if the piece DOES HAVE an enheritable slot, then it's not worth defiling because it will forever have a blank slot (if you care about such things). If there are two blank slots and DOES NOT HAVE an enheritable slot, then one can be soul matched in and you can use all available slots. If the weapon has no blank slots, like the Taro Tachi, them when it's defiled, the grace title will overwrite a trait.

[Medusahead]

Originally posted by puzzlefox:

What Medusa is getting at is when you forge certain weapons, some weapons will always have one blank slot. Take the master swordsmans power dual swords for example. If you forge those, there will always be one blank slot on divines. If one of those slots is an inheritable trait, the blank slot will forever be blank. But if there is no inheritable trait slot, it can have one soul-matched in, thus filling the blank slot.

^This.

[puzzlefox]

If anyone is still confused, just watch this. Just bear in mind that the uploader is defiling on Abyss floors lower than 30. Do not attempt to defile on floors lower than 30, this video was made before that was patched.

https://youtu.be/UakfpOCdXxQ

[montengo]

Originally posted by puzzlefox:

Originally posted by montengo:

interesting. are you saying the chances are gimped for floors 21-32 (old graces mostly)? or in other words, are you saying that if OP starts on floor 27 and exit after beating boss on floor 31 his chances of getting futsunushi grace are much lower than if he uses higher floors? like noticeably lower than for example start at 33 and exit after boss on 37?

BTW is there a list of graces available per slot somewhere? Like what graces you should not try to defile on boots for example.

I'm not sure if floor <30 would still raise odds for defiling ethereals if you went 27-33.

27-31

I'd have to assume no. I don't know why one would prefer to do it that way, that means you have to defeat tachibana, Ishida, and Kelley instead of ogress, hino, and hundred eyes. The floors 33-37 also have very weak curses, the player shouldn't even need to remove any of them. The worst one is create fire area on ogress #2.

in this light yes, it should be easier. but I was asking about chances, coz your post reads like there's some wrong with chances before floor 33. please clarify.

I'm really after info on graces per slot (boots / pants/ ranged weapons etc), if you know where it's listed please share.

[montengo]

Originally posted by Medusahead:

Because you're using gear with preset stats which is taking up your 7th slot that your inheritable could be taking. Gear with preset stats is TERRIBLE on ethereal gear because the value is preset at a much lower value wheras reforge traits can go much higher.

this is going nowhere. again you're using blanket statements that do not make any sense outside of some builds. there's no gear without some slots already taken for my build for example. how could you say it's terrible? what's the alternative?

Take my sword for example: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1562053203

See how it is much higher on custom gear?

higher than what?

So yeah I didn't go into detail about preset gear, but preset gear is absolutely terrible anyway and you should never use it. Best thing to do is to take an item, reforge 6 traits, then add the 7th through soul matching.

best thing to do is to understand that not everyone is running your specific sword build and not to assume that some things apply to absolutely everything

[puzzlefox]

My answer to that question of if earlier floors count is a firm idk.

Grace floors can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/comments/751lbb/abyss_has_3_sets_of_grace_patterns_that_rotate/

There is even a reply post that shows the mathematical formula to figure out higher floors.

[montengo]

no, I know what graces at what floor and I know the 3N formula and that's all I use.
I am asking for example what graces you can't get on boots.

re chances - long ago I defiled a metric ton of items on floors 21-31 and I don't recall my chances being any crappier than on floors above 33, that's all.