This 2nd fight with Nue is garbage!

[Rizilliant]

Its bad enough that its rainy, and the area is so tight that the camera is constantly completely blocked by walls, or Nue himself, but all the rocks in the tiny arena are CONSTANTLY causign me to lock onto them, instead of Nue himself.. This is driving me crazy! Theres difficulty, thnen theres terrible design.. This, is terrible design!

[Adran010]

@rezilliant.

true. but Nioh is brutal early on. Then later as you refine your build it feels a lot more fair as you have better defenses against he most infuriating parts of bosses :P

That and heavy armour means mistakes don't mean insta death!. well mostly :P but by the time you get to ng++++ the boss patterns are second nature to you and you die a lot less except the damn raindeer antler head man who is just straight up annoying :P I'm sure other people hat different bosses though :P

[Witcher]

Originally posted by Rizilliant:

I dont mind having to battle it out with high hp boss.. I just dont enjoy being killed so easily.. Yes i can avoid it.. But damn, a single mistake means its done.. Thats where my joy gets sucked dry.. I have no intention of playing NG+'s, and I rarely do for this very reason.. But wow! Borderlands 2 atleast got this part right.. Too easy on NG, just right on NG+, difficult on NG++(UVHM), OP lvls for the insane...

Yes, it's easy to evade/dodge boss attacks but if you don't get good hits, you could be dodging all night and not complete the mission. This is why there's less incentive for me to defeat the same bosses over and over again, and get killed same number of times like when I first started - especially with human bosses who use LW constantly - which also means you can't stagger them or they recover ki within a second literally :/

[DooG Is Eternal]

Originally posted by opAw←G:

in my second fight with nue, i think i only died like 3 times because i already know his attack pattern.. every time he uses skills, i hit his glowing chest and will completely deplete his ki..

^ basically this, be patient and go for his weak point.

[Rizilliant]

Originally posted by Witcher:

Originally posted by Rizilliant:

I dont mind having to battle it out with high hp boss.. I just dont enjoy being killed so easily.. Yes i can avoid it.. But damn, a single mistake means its done.. Thats where my joy gets sucked dry.. I have no intention of playing NG+'s, and I rarely do for this very reason.. But wow! Borderlands 2 atleast got this part right.. Too easy on NG, just right on NG+, difficult on NG++(UVHM), OP lvls for the insane...

Yes, it's easy to evade/dodge boss attacks but if you don't get good hits, you could be dodging all night and not complete the mission. This is why there's less incentive for me to defeat the same bosses over and over again, and get killed same number of times like when I first started - especially with human bosses who use LW constantly - which also means you can't stagger them or they recover ki within a second literally :/

I ran into a Revenent like this.. Odachi user, completely immune to stagger.. I actually lost.. To a revanent....... Every little hit I could do, he was just swing through it.. Baffled he ♥♥♥♥ out of me..Ironically, it was imediately after I FINALLy beat Nue in this thread, lol...Imagine how angry i was at myself, thnking Nue was about to respawn, lmao

[Arashi]

Bosses somehow become easier to beat then normal yokai.
After struggling a lot with wotd I beaten hyakki yakko mission on first try.
Bosses die quickly.

[General Plastro]

Originally posted by puzzlefox:

He can be easily cheesed with ranged if you don’t want a real fight. Just shoot him and run away from his Lightning ranged attacks. They’re really easy to avoid.

This, i was very weak when i first did that level, i shot him with the hand cannon about 5 or 7 times, he died.

[Rizilliant]

I was finally able to beat Nue.. But ended up having to Ninjitsu the White tiger to beat him, lol.. fire bombs, shuriken, caltrops, poison bombs, etc.. Never even swung at him.. Im getting less and less that feel of victory, as Im having to watch videos on how to beat these bosses.. I simply die too quickly to a new boss (going in blind) to figure out their movesets..

[Deostades]

That's the whole point! If you aren't dying a dozen times to them, it means you're getting better (if you're doing the blind thing, which I recommend).

Heck, I died to White Tiger 6 or 7 times before I finally got lucky with my LW. The previous boss, Nohime, was even worse; I lost track of how many times she killed me before I got her.

Nioh is a _hard_ game! Hard games don't mean "you can beat on your first try if you were born under a lucky star", they mean "if you keep at it and don't let the oppressive weight of your own bodies and spilt blood tear you down, you'll master the mechanics and earn those victories."

[Goilveig]

Originally posted by Deostades:

That's the whole point! If you aren't dying a dozen times to them, it means you're getting better (if you're doing the blind thing, which I recommend).

Heck, I died to White Tiger 6 or 7 times before I finally got lucky with my LW. The previous boss, Nohime, was even worse; I lost track of how many times she killed me before I got her.

Nioh is a _hard_ game! Hard games don't mean "you can beat on your first try if you were born under a lucky star", they mean "if you keep at it and don't let the oppressive weight of your own bodies and spilt blood tear you down, you'll master the mechanics and earn those victories."

And the victories are SOOOO satisfying when they finally come!

I used to abhor Shigezane (in his first form), he would obliterate me, and I just managed to earn the Date Shigezane Crusher title cheese-free on Way of the Nioh with zero items or jutsu used (apart from catwalking / suppa to get to him without fighting other things).

[Rizilliant]

Thats the problem Im beginning to have.. Im not getting the feeling anymore.. I feel like im a teenager again, playing Final Fantasy and following the Strategy guide..

Its more:
try half a dozen times to learn any sort of movesets.. Dying repeatedly in one or two attacks, and learning almost nothing.. Finally giving in, and watching a darn youtube video, JUST so I can see his moves..Fight several more times.. Become extremely frustrated.. ANd when I finally win, feel like I cheated for watching a video.. Or, still unable to beat it, and reorting to crap tactics with ranged abilities, and caltrops..

Even wearing the best available armor, 2 hits from most bosses is about all I can take.. the first usually stuns long enough for the followup.. Most of them have devastating combos.. Most recently, the white tiger.. That ice Queen was rough as well, but she felt manageable.. The larger ones seem to hit me during dodges no matter what I do.. I cant seem to get a handle on the hit boxes, and strike zones. Im finding the difficulty spikes to be extremely bipolar!

[Goilveig]

Originally posted by Rizilliant:

try half a dozen times to learn any sort of movesets.. Dying repeatedly in one or two attacks, and learning almost nothing.. Finally giving in, and watching a darn youtube video, JUST so I can see his moves..Fight several more times.. Become extremely frustrated.. ANd when I finally win, feel like I cheated for watching a video.. Or, still unable to beat it, and reorting to crap tactics with ranged abilities, and caltrops..

I really recommend spending a lot of time just running and watching the bosses, without even trying to deal damage at first. Often step 1 is just learning how not to get hit - so even if you deal no damage, try to stay alive for longer and longer periods of time. Some bosses have certain kinds of gimmicks. For example, one boss is devastating at medium range but actually cannot hit you if you're close enough, while another can absolutely devastate you at close range but will run around and whiff if you keep them at medium range. Still others are able to deal damage when you're in front or to the rear, but have a lot of trouble if you're beside them.

And yes, you will die. A LOT. I mentioned I just had a perfect run of a boss. In all the various places I've fought him, that was my 11th kill of him, and I've had 58 total deaths to him. (This particular boss has 2 forms and the stats sum both together; I think this was my 6th kill of that form. Most of the deaths were against this form as well).

For me, anyway, progress at learning a boss comes in spurts. I'll have periods where I just feel like I'm not getting any better, and I'm just wasting my time trying over and over again, and then things will gel and I'll rapidly improve, usually by changing strategy when I see patterns to my defeats.

[Rizilliant]

Thats what I was tryign to do with that White Tiger.. All in all, he doesnt seem to be terribly difficult.. But that 4 kit combo would just wreck me, everytime.. Nue, it would die while standing behind, and to his left when he rolled.. So sure I was that I was in a safe spot.. Not in his lightning he left behind, but somehow, took the full blow?I really enjoy the humanoid ones.. But fo rthe life of me, do I have difficulty with larer foes.. Its actually why I refunded DkS3.. That blob crap everything turned into.. i couldnt read that fior the life of me..Ill champ on, because I love the combat in this game.. But ill be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ while I do, lol!

on the plus side.. Im excited to jump back into The Surge after Nioh.. That one had very crisp combat, and movement, while still feeling momentum, and weight in both! Just too few bosses.. I tried Salt & Sanctuary, but.. Woof! That combat did not do it for me..