The Endgame is kinda terrible... (Only the Dual Boss Fights)

[Flowmad]

I had a lot of fun befor beating the last story mission and i even considered it better than Dark Souls. Sure there were parts which were pretty tough but i was always motivated to keep going. But these last missions are just a gank fest with bosses or enemies that blast you with slowdown effects or other negative effects, or just spam you with attacks which kill you with one or two hits. In other games when you reach this point, like recent Mario games like to do it, its a test of your skill and you have to utilise everything you have learned. Here its more like a test of how good you can cheese the game. I've already beaten a few of these terrible dual boss fights and it felt like i was eating my guts out, but in reality that would have been a more pleasant experience.

[Shoebsy]

An issue with Mario is that it *Doesnt* test you.. at all. until the end of the game (and generally they're very short challanges). Nioh constantly tests you. start to finish.


And while the end-game challanges are hard.. Well.. Yeah.. That's kinda what an end-game challange is.
Are you speaking of *only* of the dual-bosses? Because to some degree, they do expect you to cheese. They're fully aware that you beat these bosses before. and Nioh has no interest in turning down the heat, just to make someone feel special... But there are other end-game challanges, which are one-on-one, or multiple yokai.. Which are pretty well balanced. mostly.


You also might be undergeared. The Dual-bosses are a big hike in difficulty and challange. and Nioh is in part, a RPG.


If you're also in WOTSamurai/Strong. You also never fight many enemies, while outnumbered, These bosses are tests of mananging both fights. and certainly not to be taken as spreed-run challanges.

[RexEviL]

They are just lazy to add new challenge thats why they made it dual. I consider Nioh more like Diablo then DS games.

[Shoebsy]

Originally posted by TR-RexEviL:

They are just lazy to add new challenge thats why they made it dual. I consider Nioh more like Diablo then DS games.

"Too lazy" would be no extra missions or boss battles. Simply making a boss mission is pretty lame and offers nothing new (Looking at you. "Frog battle" mission)

The dual boss missions are new challanges. There is no other point in which bosses have you focus on multiple enemies at once.

[Mazzle Dazzle]

I personally live the boss missions and the abyss for that matter. The abyss is basically a short area and a boss battle and you can skip the short area if you are awesome and just have a boss rush mode.

[Kazu]

To me it sounds like you are under-geared, under-leveled and got no clue about builds. There are difficulties in nioh... you start with "way of the samurai", then get to "way of the strong", then "way of the demon", then "way of the wise" and get finally to "way of the nioh". If you die by 1 or 2 hits on "way of the samurai" (lowest diff.) then guess what...

[Deostades]

Team Ninja can be accused of many things about Nioh. "Lazy" isn't one of them, if the accuser is being honest.

I happen to feel the post game of Nioh is one of the best I've played in recent years. All the new difficulties (NG+, WotStrong, etc..), the duel boss(es) that let me fight the cooler enemies/bosses without having to go through the whole level before hand, the interesting side missions (The Grand Tournament remains one of my favorite levels in this game - when you chain it right, it's just one long 1000-string combo that's SUCH a rush!)

And don't get me started on the Abyss... While it is an infini-dungeon in all the worst ways, the rolling debuffs and option to skip straight to the boss of each floor strangely gives you just the right amount of choice to make it not boring, and the noticable jump in difficulty for each floor makes the decision to go on or quit one that sometimes requires thought and engagement that most such modes drain out of you like a sieve.

[Flowmad]

Ok, to be clear, i only meant the dual boss missions. I wrote this befor i've beaten the very last story mission and it does get a lot better after it and the Abyss is great! But i did finish all of the last sub missions (dual bosses etc) befor going into New Game Plus and i pretty much bruteforced my way through and i still dislike them very much. The only way i was able to beat all of them was playing the sub mission where you have to fight a bunch of Revenants and then have to fight the Overlord and the Obsidian Samurai at the end. That way i was able to stack up some Amarita and to upgrade my Divine Armor until i was "good " enough. It was always like this; Self-Buff, Enemy De-Buff, wrek one boss as fast as possible and hope for the best. After one of them gets down, then the fight is pretty much over, not really something i consider a challenge but thats just my opinion.

EDIT: I've updated the title because it was a little confusing.

[Flowmad]

Originally posted by Kazu:

To me it sounds like you are under-geared, under-leveled and got no clue about builds. There are difficulties in nioh... you start with "way of the samurai", then get to "way of the strong", then "way of the demon", then "way of the wise" and get finally to "way of the nioh". If you die by 1 or 2 hits on "way of the samurai" (lowest diff.) then guess what...

Yeah, i pretty much was. I don't think i'm playing on the lowest difficulty, played every mission up to this point and i also rarely lost Amrita by dying, so its strange that i was this underleveled. But it wasn't that much of a problem anymore after i learned all the Omni Buff and De-Buff spells i needed.

[Mazzle Dazzle]

Originally posted by Flowmad:

Originally posted by Kazu:

To me it sounds like you are under-geared, under-leveled and got no clue about builds. There are difficulties in nioh... you start with "way of the samurai", then get to "way of the strong", then "way of the demon", then "way of the wise" and get finally to "way of the nioh". If you die by 1 or 2 hits on "way of the samurai" (lowest diff.) then guess what...

Yeah, i pretty much was. I don't think i'm playing on the lowest difficulty, played every mission up to this point and i also rarely lost Amrita by dying, so its strange that i was this underleveled. But it wasn't that much of a problem anymore after i learned all the Omni Buff and De-Buff spells i needed.

I knew nothing about this game and struggled so hard all the way to wise without learning equipment. Then I figured out the equipment at the end and now I just faceroll everything.
Also by figuring it out, I mostly mean not just going for a full set for the sake of the set but combining the best parts of my favorite sets.

[Flowmad]

Originally posted by Mazzle Dazzle:

Originally posted by Flowmad:

Yeah, i pretty much was. I don't think i'm playing on the lowest difficulty, played every mission up to this point and i also rarely lost Amrita by dying, so its strange that i was this underleveled. But it wasn't that much of a problem anymore after i learned all the Omni Buff and De-Buff spells i needed.

I knew nothing about this game and struggled so hard all the way to wise without learning equipment. Then I figured out the equipment at the end and now I just faceroll everything.
Also by figuring it out, I mostly mean not just going for a full set for the sake of the set but combining the best parts of my favorite sets.

I was playing the numbers game very early on and had purple gear only in the first few missions, had few problems there. But i went in with a "Souls" mindset and that gave me a bunch of problems. Played it like Bloodborne and i rarely blocked, when i was letting go of my old habbits, then it was a smooth ride until the end. Understanding all the sub menus with all the skills and such was also a big hurdle but managable.

PS: Where do i see on which difficulty i'm playing? I looked in the menus and i couldn't find the option. Is it even possible to change it mid game?

[Mazzle Dazzle]

Originally posted by Flowmad:

Originally posted by Mazzle Dazzle:

I knew nothing about this game and struggled so hard all the way to wise without learning equipment. Then I figured out the equipment at the end and now I just faceroll everything.
Also by figuring it out, I mostly mean not just going for a full set for the sake of the set but combining the best parts of my favorite sets.

I was playing the numbers game very early on and had purple gear only in the first few missions, had few problems there. But i went in with a "Souls" mindset and that gave me a bunch of problems. Played it like Bloodborne and i rarely blocked, when i was letting go of my old habbits, then it was a smooth ride until the end. Understanding all the sub menus with all the skills and such was also a big hurdle but managable.

PS: Where do i see on which difficulty i'm playing? I looked in the menus and i couldn't find the option. Is it even possible to change it mid game?

You can tell by mission level in the menu once you are in the mission(useful in multiplayer). When you are looking at the map, you can tell by the number of weapons on the graphics at the top left.

[Nanashi]

Originally posted by Flowmad:

But these last missions are just a gank fest with bosses or enemies that blast you with slowdown effects or other negative effects, or just spam you with attacks which kill you with one or two hits.

Is that really end game though? You have like 4 more difficulties to play through after that. So I wouldn't consider the last few missions that pop up after the last story mission as end game really. It's more like some additional challenge if you don't just want stronger versions of everything you've seen already.

Also I had considerably less problems against The Two Kings in NG+. Mostly because my hits dealed more damage compared to the first playthrough but also because I got more used to their attack patterns due to the additional time spent on the game compared to the first playthrough.

I mean I agree that the double bosses are a pain in the ass. Especially when both of them are fast as ♥♥♥♥ and you can't ignore one while hitting the other. But that's more a problem of the game in general. And again I wouldn't call that end-game. The end-game is Way of the Nioh or Abyss. Actually the Abyss makes more sense as end-game considering it's "just" randomized bosses if you simplify it.

[Kazu]

Originally posted by Flowmad:

PS: Where do i see on which difficulty i'm playing? I looked in the menus and i couldn't find the option. Is it even possible to change it mid game?

You have to unlock the difficulties first before you can change them... and unlocking means you have to beat at least the mission "The Queen's Eyes" in england (where it all started)... it's in the "Omi Region", the boat at right side of the screen... once you did that, you can press "X" on the map screen, then press "X" again and you change the difficulty to "way of the strong"... unlocking the next difficulty is a little bit harder since you have to fill up a bar by completing missions on the newest difficulty until the bar is almost half full... then you are able to do the "The Queen's Eyes" mission again... this goes on until you unlocked "way of the nioh"

[Kazu]

END GAME in Nioh

I'd say its all up to you how far you wanna go, how much time you wanna invest (and you can invest hundreds of hours).

If you plan to get the most damage whats possible ingame then you have a long way to go... character level ends at 750... but at some point its not about you level anymore, its like in diablo... its about your gear... you can have later in the game an item called "yasakani magatama" which reduces the set bonus by 1... then you can make nice builds out of different sets depending on which weapon you use... item stats become more important on gear... after green items (divine) will come orange/brown items (ethereal)... the highest leveled item I have seen so far on youtube was like LVL 310 (+135)... I dont know where the end is on item level but thats already very high

The ABYSS:
If this is endgame for you then the highest floor in abyss is 999... there are not so many who came so far... here is a video of one who did:
https://youtu.be/7fvO5ag-QWw

Well, my personal goal is to unlock all trophies/achievements... there are 79 on steam... I have about 61 only yet... after that I dont know if I will continue with the game...

[Witcher]

How many people bother to complete the difficult sub-missions like Fare for the Afterlife, Two Kings, etc. where you have to fight either 2 bosses or 6 of them consecutively with no break?

I suppose what I wanna know is there much value in completing them or do you just complete the main missions thru all new game pluses to level up and find better items?