Stuck at Maria.. Is it worth it to continue?

[Xairaz]

I will probably need a couple of hours of to deal with her, where a win will be pure luck.
It feels like a chore trying to beat her. Is the rest of the dlc worth it ? Or have I seen what there is to see?

Trying to beat her at level 115, sword and spear, 9 talisman, 6 sloth, light armor.
She feels like an HP sponge, my attacks have very little impact. While she just has to hit me a few times and I'm dead combined with her really aggresive attack patterns.

I have beaten Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3 and I have never had this much trouble with a boss before.

[Shoebsy]

Yet another "I've beaten Dark soulz!!" post? ew.


Seriously though. If you're doing very little damage, you're underleveled. 115 isn't a bad number.. But that says nothing about your stat allocation or skill.

Are you playing on your first playthough? If so, and you're doing little ticks of damage, plus being killed in 2-3 hits.. You're vastly underleveled.

[DooG Is Eternal]

http://steamcommunity.com/app/485510/discussions/0/1692662484252513917/#c1694914736010906359

already have a discussion ongoing. like what kiroshi mentioned u might needs to level or upgrade a little, because her hp is really low for a boss. ive beaten all ds 1,2,3 doesnt means nioh is the same game :/, not sure whats the logic behind mentioning them.

if all else fail, just use the headshot method.

[Xairaz]

Mentioning DS series to tell people that I usually don't have trouble with a game being hard. But Nioh is just straight up unfair. And yes, I know it's a different type of game.

It's my first playthrough, my stats could probably be allocated to something slightly better, but I don't think that will change much.

I will give it a few more tries over the next couple of days, but will probably just give up and move on to another game. There is no enjoyment when it gets this hard and repetitive. And I'm not turning to grinding my level up, that sholdn't be nessecary imo.

[Xairaz]

Tried the summoning of another player for the first time during my playthrough. Finally got her.

[DooG Is Eternal]

grinding not needed, it just helps to kill stuff faster, peeps have done lvl 1 clear.

[RexEviL]

Cheese her...

[Shoebsy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xairaz:

Mentioning DS series to tell people that I usually don't have trouble with a game being hard. But Nioh is just straight up unfair. And yes, I know it's a different type of game.

It's not just that DS is a different type of game.. it's that None of Dark Soul's possibilities exist in Nioh. Dodging, attack speeds, enemy difficulty, boss demands, the open world VS the mission based systems.. Stat importance, Gear importance, Skill importance and combos. They're both vastly different from each other. and not a good comparision.

Nioh is far from unfair. If you go into Nioh, playing it like dark souls.. You're going to hate it.

and as James said. there is no grinding needed.. But if you've failed previously. you'll be snowballing up. You can out-skill anything in Nioh, which will make up for the underleveled possibilies.

[Zamus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xairaz:

Mentioning DS series to tell people that I usually don't have trouble with a game being hard. But Nioh is just straight up unfair.

Most DkS vets that come to complain almost always say this, yet I can tackle her without too much effot on the highest difficulty and not get hit without relying on any buff or LW, she has also been killed at base level on the highest difficulty.

[Nanashi]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xairaz:

Mentioning DS series to tell people that I usually don't have trouble with a game being hard. But Nioh is just straight up unfair. And yes, I know it's a different type of game.

Just ... no. No it isn't. Is it punishing? Yes. Its probably closer to Bloodbourne than to Dark Souls and especially in that regard.

In fact it's probably easier than all these games once you understood the mechanics. Blocking for example is simply OP if you know which attacks you have to block. You should be able to get around without it but if you want to take a bit speed out of the fight just block the last hit of a combo.

[Shoebsy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Nanashi:

In fact it's probably easier than all these games once you understood the mechanics. Blocking for example is simply OP if you know which attacks you have to block. You should be able to get around without it but if you want to take a bit speed out of the fight just block the last hit of a combo.

I'd disagree. heavily. Dark Souls' evasion is spammy (doesn't cost enough stanima to even care. Most I-frames are much longer than Nioh's) And blocking comes down to the difference in stamina management.

If you block in Nioh, you're losing anything from 10 - 80% of your bar on an attack (not counting combos) In light weight-class.. You'll regenerate that stamina in about 2 seconds.. and you're at threat of Yokai not even giving a ♥♥♥♥, and having no rebounds.

Blocking in Dark Souls (and to a very unused degree, bloodborn with staggers) takes very little stamina, and costs more for your opponent to swing.

on higher difficulties.. Trading is impossible. You don't trade hits in Nioh, under any situation other than "I'm facerolling this level 70 mission.. at 300+"

[WhiteLezard]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xairaz:

Mentioning DS series to tell people that I usually don't have trouble with a game being hard. But Nioh is just straight up unfair. And yes, I know it's a different type of game..

Nioh is anything but unfair. If you approach it in the same way you played Souls you are going to have a bad time.
If only, Nioh feels more similar to Bloodborne.

[Markierer]

Nioh is not unfair. Nioh is cheap and unbalanced. The game tells you that you are the master of Japan but you need 1000 hits to kill a boss while he/she needs only 1. The graves are telling me that I am underleveled too in DLC area. Those "Danny Trejo" Yokais can one-hit me again. No idea how people are getting so high levels without grinding which is really annoying for me.

Is it worth? Yes.

[Shoebsy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Markierer:

Nioh is not unfair. Nioh is cheap and unbalanced. The game tells you that you are the master of Japan but you need 1000 hits to kill a boss while he/she needs only 1. The graves are telling me that I am underleveled too in DLC area. Those "Danny Trejo" Yokais can one-hit me again. No idea how people are getting so high levels without grinding which is really annoying for me.

Is it worth? Yes.

I think you're confusing this game with Way Of The Samurai 3's one-hit-one-kill difficulty.

[Deostades]

As far as leveling goes: you don't need to grind all that much to level up in Nioh. If you have the DLCs unlocked, that means you also have Way of the Strong unlocked as well. Go play a few levels in the NG+; they will be hard, but you should be able to survive, and they drop an entire magnitude of Amrita more than where you are now.

I tried the first level of NG+ as soon as I could reach it, and while I died a few times, I levelled up 10 times in one run.

This evens out eventually, but for a good while it's Christmas when it comes to rewards.

The DLC also seems built with the idea that people will have completed or at least gotten some ways into the first NG+; probably because of the timing when it was originally released on the PS4.

[Fei]

I checked a video on youtube where a guy beats her very under leveled and without any equipment,she beat me like 90 times but in the end I beat her, my suggestions are ,level up your magic and use the spell that summons the guardian spirit attack and use the bird that put her down so you can stab her, this is an easy way to beat every human boss, she is hard as ♥♥♥♥,but you should do a mission ,in kinki region I think where you can farm great soul stone,so you can : use the magic that I mentioned before and also the guardian spirit, don't forget to use the armor debuff, lvl 115 is just underleveld it's clearly stated the level you need for this mission,just level up the magic and so as I've said and you can win her way more easier than traditional method.