Gold Nioh set

[montengo]

Found I don't have smithing text for Gold Nioh set and apparently refashion does not work if your drops are from player's revs. Dev rev with this set or smithing text if it even exist on PC is wanted.

[paveI94]

How do you get Hanzo to spawn on the 4th floor? I've spent 10 ochoko cups and all I get are those 2 ninjas. Eh, at least I got a Bear's head Kabuto from Onryouki, an item I saw for the first time.

[Deostades]

Hanzo shows up about 30% of the time, even with optimal layout. It's a pain, which is why most people, once they get him, will farm there for hours in the hopes of not having to do it again.

[paveI94]

It took me 22 tries to get him to spawn and I was lucky enough to get a good location for the shrine. I got 3 smitihng texts in 5 minutes, but then I noticed I didn't unlock the Earthfolding Talismans and I can't use the book of reincarnation in the abyss. Is there anything else I can use to get back to the shrine and re-spawn Hanzo again?

[Deostades]

There's a consumable that does the same thing, but you're limited to only as many as you can carry.

[montengo]

Yeah, for farming, don't go without earthfolding and leeching talismans too.

I'm capped at floor 5, so naturally I have to farm floor 4 Hanzo. With higher Abyss floors unlocked, and IIRC; there's a chance for low level Hanzo on floors 7 and 9. So if you can't get him on 4, kill bosses and try on floor 7 and then 9. Just make sure you don't clear Abyss effects and plane of Infinity is availible on these floors. I'm going from memory on this, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Got dragon sword smithing text and kame-wari too. Now sitting at 89.3%.
https://imgur.com/uMnD4GS

Time to do some math and figure out if there're more smithing texts to expect from Hanzo and where to stop farming.

There're smithing texts Hanzo won't drop. Here's the list for my, don't complete WotStrong character:

1. Amulet of Camaraderie (floor 10)
2. Mud Jar (floor 15)
3. Burning Oil Jar (floor 20)
4. Arrow Proof Amulet (floor 25)
5. Tengu's Fan (floor 30)
6. Anima Stone (floor 35)
7. Soul Stone (floor 40)
8. Jewel of Life (floor 45)
9. Swordsmith's Hammer (floor 50)
10. Frolicking Cats Kabuto (floor 108)
11. Kodama Bowl (clear all main missions on WotStrong)
12. Inhabited Kodama Bowl (clear all main missions on WotStrong)
13. Red Kappa Kabuto (clear all missions minus DLCs on WotD)
14. Tower of London Guard Set (clear all missions minus DLCs on WotW)
15. Tower of London Armour Set (clear all missions minus DLCs on WotW)
16. Mariner's Set (clear all missions minus DLCs on WotN)
17. Izuna Drop (I have Flame Dragon already, just need to farm Hayabusa a bit more for Izuna)

I'm assuming each smithing text weight either 0.4% or 0.5%. Here's the math

worst case where all remaining smithing texts are at 0.4:
100-17x0.4=93.2

best
100-17x0.5=91.5

My conclusion is that somewhere between 91.5% and 93.2% I won't get anymore texts. At 91.5 I would probably need to get a list of all my smithing texts and compare to 100% list (where do I get this?).

Found a link from 2017 where dude documented his drops, whish I thought of doing this.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/485510/discussions/0/1488866180598886858/?l=finnish

Corrections? Thoughts?

(credits to Deo's smithing texts guide for links, floor rewards, etc)

[montengo]

Hit my max at 91.2%. Run Hanzo till I leveled just to verify - that's a lot of attempts getting amrita (90.04 mil to level where I was) from Hanzo only. My assumptions on smithing texts weight could be wrong or I am missing texts I've not thought of.

BTW, Izuna does not count towards smithing texts; I'm pretty sure Flame Dragon too now. I recon it's misleading to list them for 100% smithing texts in guides.

Few thoughts on my runs (my personal voodoo and me jumping to conclusions):

Most of my drops (I'd say 95%) were between luck 37* and 134*+Luck talisman (whatever that brings). Item drop rate was fixed @100%**** and Human Item Drop Rate max was @122.8% and low was in ~70%. I always had Kodama Hunter Blessing and was wearing Kodama Bowl hat.

**Equipment drop rate, Human / Yokai equipment drop rate has to be at 0%.

*** Low level character has more chances.

*Luck controls rarity. Smithing texts are purple. Purple drops basket/window is very small compared to yellow, blue or green for some reason. You want to max your purple drops (look at mats drops - highest quality is where you want to stay and you best to ignore equipment rarity - armor and weapons drops). Drops are coming in waves - around 6 runs for me before next weave change - you want to adjust your luck quickly, sometimes trying to predict new wave. For this I made sure my naked with no GSs character had 0% luck (also 0% item drop rate - my prestige points had to be redone) and had many accesoories, ranged weapons for changing and also swapped my primary / secondary GSs around.

** Abyss Hanzo drops a lot, but there's still a limit on how many things he drops. Him dropping equipment cuts into him dropping smithing texts instead.

*** Same as rev drops. If you're much lower level than a rev, it drops 4 items for you; when you're much higher, it drops only one item.

**** Read somewhere where dude was saying it's possible game glitches and when you exceed 100% for Item Drop Rate, it calculates only rate that is over 100%. So if you had 125%, glitch would count it as 25%. I think this dude is right. It might not glitch right away, but it will eventually.


And... I saved, I backed up my save, I went offline... and I did Queen's Eye on WotStrong.
My smithing texts went up by 1%. I could forge item levels 150-153. I could get starred effects on weapons for my forged items - such as starred Iia for swords / Serpent Strike for kusarigama and since item levels where below 161, I think I could drop a rev with starred items on WotSamurai.

[paveI94]

After 7 hours of farming I finally got the last smithing text. For the last 5 of them it took me less than 10 minutes. The drop rate was all over the place, either they're dropping like candy or don't drop at all for half an hour.

I noticed that I can't forge the Bear Head Kabuto. Is that the only equipment item you can't forge? The game records says I have 100% smithing texts collected.

[montengo]

There's plenty of equipment you can't forge - pretty much all unique helms that drop from dev revs - Tokan Kabuto, Water Buffalo Horn Kabuto etc... Chunin armor... etc, some weapons too - Ningen Mukotsu.. etc. Reading patch notes, developers were adding smithing texts but then they hit 100% and stopped... and now we can't forge what's left.

[paveI94]

Huh, I don't think I've ever seen these items. Well, most of the equipment I got through farming Hanzo was unknown to me.

[montengo]

Found the exact smithing texts you can't get from Abyss Hanzo. Here's updated list:

1. Amulet of Camaraderie (floor 10)
2. Mud Jar (floor 15)
3. Burning Oil Jar (floor 20)
4. Arrow Proof Amulet (floor 25)
5. Tengu's Fan (floor 30)
6. Anima Stone (floor 35)
7. Soul Stone (floor 40)
8. Jewel of Life (floor 45)
9. Swordsmith's Hammer (floor 50)
10. Frolicking Cats Kabuto (floor 108)
11. Kodama Bowl (clear all main missions on WotStrong)
12. Inhabited Kodama Bowl (clear all main missions on WotStrong)
13. Red Kappa Kabuto (clear all missions minus DLCs on WotD)
14. Tower of London Guard Set (clear all missions minus DLCs on WotW)
15. Tower of London Armour Set (clear all missions minus DLCs on WotW)
16. Mariner's Set (clear all missions minus DLCs on WotN)
17. Suijingiri Kanemitsu (mission reward - Wandering Child mission in Way of the Demon)
18. Swallowtail Set (mission reward - Hands of The Dragon in Way of the Demon)

Last two are strange (why everything else where it's mission reward drops??), they won't drop no matter how many times I tried. Here, I went into WotD.. had to do 17 missions to unlock Queen's Eye and DLCs.
https://imgur.com/XZmHVwq

*(BTW, does anyone know what exclamation mark means on some of the missions?)

My math above seems correct now and 91.2% is where you'd end if you decide to get all smithing texts from Hanzo without stepping into WotD.

**(both Dragon Flame and Izuna Drop are NOT smithing texts. They are Art of Combat. They won't add any percentage to your smithing texts found).

Found a more or less correct list of all smithing texts with tick boxes.
https://nioh.wiki.fextralife.com/Smithing+Texts

Here's some unusual items I had dropped and got after they were defiled once only.
https://imgur.com/jHbUCUB


OT. Decided to finish getting all smithing texts on my main character too. Went from 80.5% to 100% in about 3.5 hours, 2 of which were spent on getting proper layout with Hanzo!! The worst layout where you start at the boss doors adds ~15-20 sec.

The only thing that is left is to figure out why Abyss drops get effects randomized on rev trade - this is something new to me.. I thought if it's ilvl 150 effects will be preserved on rev trade.

[Deostades]

Nice! I'll see about updating my own guide...

For a few of the other bits:

- Exclamation points denote missions that you have both not accomplished and not attempted; they're the "new mission" indicator. Every NG+ cycle treats all the missions in a region as new until you attempt them. I think simply clicking on them and then cancelling might remove the new marker, but it's been a while.

- Nice CCKR/CCD Inheritables! Those are pretty darn rare, and awesome! Make a couple revenants in SSH for the rest of us poor saps ^_^

- The Karakawa Armor might just be hiding it's additional effects until you meet the Stamina/Strength requirements. That's the only thought that comes to me; entirely possible that was just a messed up drop.

- WotStrong is the final difficulty tier in which Revenant drops retain their original effects. You'd think that floors 1-5, which are the WotSt tier, would continue that, but maybe not? I dunno, I don't know of anyone that's really looked into that.

[TheIllusiveGreg]

Worth noting, I got this drop from Ryunoshin in the Abyss, around floor 200 - 250? But yeah, only way to get it is through the Abyss, at least on Steam

[montengo]

@Deostades - left a rev SSH Samurai, but a blue ilvl 150, without plusses kusarigama with 20% CCKR gets its effects randomized - it's from floor 4 Abyss. So no go. Can offer you this save and you could then try it yourself; but I'm afraid your results would be same. For now, I'd say only self forged or drops from normal game (not sure about twilight missions) equipment could be rev traded. (Up to WotStr, after that equipment type is preserved, effects get randomized).

@TheIllusiveGreg Thanks! You're right, sounds like Abyss only drop - If Ryunoshin was able to drop Gold Armor smithing text in normal game, chances are someone would've posted already - he gets killed in The Grand Tournament.

(Silly thing: I wonder if anyone tried to farm every dev revs on every difficulty in the game - I mean there're places where people just would not do it - like during boss fights or facing waves of enemies. Their drops could also be different per difficulty and in twilight missions / Abyss.)

[LW]

Gold nioh is impossible to get been trying for so long trying to get the best build as well its so hard sometimes you deal that set will never come its almost like1 out of a million winning the lottery sucks bad

[deeper]

Originally posted by LW:

Gold nioh is impossible to get been trying for so long trying to get the best build as well its so hard sometimes you deal that set will never come its almost like1 out of a million winning the lottery sucks bad

This thread will probably be locked shortly for being too old.

Funnily enough, I got the Smithing Text for this not too long ago. Am I missing something, it looks like it just gives a small gold bonus from enemies?