Invincibility frames/ iframes. The key to the game

[Mathryu]

Okay so I just read a thread on Reddit for The Surge from someone with the name SoulsBorNioh asking if there are iframes with the dodge... and after somebody brought up that all the souls games and Nioh have iframes they said "... Nioh has iframes???"
This is truly astounding to me. iframes are in no small way the absolute key to melee combat in this game, if you didn't know: when you dodge, you become invincible for a little while.
The fact that somebody with the title of the game in their name wouldn't know this leads me to believe it's somehow escaped a lot of peoples attention that this is basically the most important thing to master in the entire game.
There is even a skill for dual swords that allows you to become invincible again at the end of your dodge in low stance, do not underestimate how important this feature is (and how badass it makes you feel).

[Deostades]

The main complaint about Nioh's iframes, from what I've gathered, is that they're considerably less than Dark Souls' infini-roll abuse, and thus not good.

I tend to counter with Nioh's control responsiveness being good enough to not need as much of an iframe handicap.

[Just Aaron]

Blocking works great if you have the right build. Generally I just move out of the way by putting INCREASE MOVEMENT SPEED on all my armor. Nothing can catch me so I just attack when it`s safe. No i-frames required.

[There'sNoStringOnMe]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Deostades:

The main complaint about Nioh's iframes, from what I've gathered, is that they're considerably less than Dark Souls' infini-roll abuse, and thus not good.

I tend to counter with Nioh's control responsiveness being good enough to not need as much of an iframe handicap.

Quick question: does heavy armor also reduce blocking ki consumption?

[Deostades]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HagaH:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Deostades:

The main complaint about Nioh's iframes, from what I've gathered, is that they're considerably less than Dark Souls' infini-roll abuse, and thus not good.

I tend to counter with Nioh's control responsiveness being good enough to not need as much of an iframe handicap.

Quick question: does heavy armor also reduce blocking ki consumption?

Toughness, which is somewhat comparable to Dark Souls' Poise, is the stat you're wanting to look at for Guard Ki Reduction. I believe that equipment weight plays a role as well (in which case Heavy Armor would help), but I'm not 100% on that.

For Toughness, 200 is where you don't get staggered for most attacks, and 400 is where you can tank any hit without staggering.

There is also a Weapon Effect for Guard Ki Reduction. This can be helpful for bosses you really want to block up close, like Ninetails, but not strictly required.

[montengo]

^^indirectly, heavy armor just happen to have more %damage reduction.
Speaking of blocking ki consumption…. if you at 100% or more RFD, blocking cannon ball will damage your ki, but if you don't block you just get staggering and no damage to ki at all. Use Hermit talisman and you can just ignore all rangers and deal with melee enemies first.

[Mathryu]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Deostades:

The main complaint about Nioh's iframes, from what I've gathered, is that they're considerably less than Dark Souls' infini-roll abuse, and thus not good.

I tend to counter with Nioh's control responsiveness being good enough to not need as much of an iframe handicap.

Yeah I don't think it's fair to say it's bad because it's harder than Dark Souls.
All the attacks are faster to balance the shorter windows, also in high stance the roll has almost as much invincibility as in DS.
I can (to some extent) understand people not liking how short the windows are but not realizing they exist at all... just bewilders me, like that is the literal point of the game for me and was made obvious from the first fight of the game.

[Mathryu]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Just Aaron:

Blocking works great if you have the right build. Generally I just move out of the way by putting INCREASE MOVEMENT SPEED on all my armor. Nothing can catch me so I just attack when it`s safe. No i-frames required.

Yeah I also like to just move out of the enemies way, it's a very liberating feeling when coming from something like Dark Souls "oh I can literally just move my character away from their strike"

But the main point of the game (for me at least) is to learn the mechanical depth of the game and use it against itself, it's basically the deepest action game ever made and the icing on top is iframes, iframes are what make you feel like a god as opposed to just a badass

[Jouni]

The amount of iframes in this game is just perfect. Enough to do the job but not too many so that you still have to focus on your timing.
It's always good to buffer your dodging with blocking(unless it would activate a combat skill). That way you at least won't take damage if you try to dodge too late.

[Just Aaron]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HagaH:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Deostades:

The main complaint about Nioh's iframes, from what I've gathered, is that they're considerably less than Dark Souls' infini-roll abuse, and thus not good.

I tend to counter with Nioh's control responsiveness being good enough to not need as much of an iframe handicap.

Quick question: does heavy armor also reduce blocking ki consumption?

Yes. Heavy armor has the highest toughness rating and that reduces ki consumption when guarding. You can also put guard ki reduction 20 percent on your weapon. Using a weapon with a high parry stat will reduce ki consumption when guarding as well.

[Jouni]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Just Aaron:

You can also put guard ki reduction 20 percent on your weapon.

And if the weapon happens to be a sword or an odachi then you can put on two guard ki reductions.

[la_nague]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Deostades:

The main complaint about Nioh's iframes, from what I've gathered, is that they're considerably less than Dark Souls' infini-roll abuse, and thus not good.

I tend to counter with Nioh's control responsiveness being good enough to not need as much of an iframe handicap.

Nioh iframes are very powerful because your char reacts much better and also after you dodge you can combo the enemy, in DS you can just hit him a bit usually.

Also in Nioh the blocking is very strong.

[Muca94]

That misinformation still floats around because people, espescially at launch, were spreading that false info that there are no iframes. A lot of Dark Souls streamers or No-Hit Runners also spread that ♥♥♥♥ and they still did when the Nioh 2 Closed Alpha was live.

They were just too stupid and bad. Nioh's iframes are fine as they are. You have to think about what stance you are in depending on how fast the enemy's attack is because some would be so short that it would be frame perfect or the recovery on high/mid stance would get you killed in a follow up. A lot of people and newcomers are running around in mid or high stance and then get caught in follow ups, not to mention being bad in general, not knowing how to dodge or just wanting to buttonsmash.