This game was fun until the slog that is Divine gear

[SunfireKnight86]

Didn't even get a chance to do the DLC because I read everywhere that you needed at least some mid-high tier Divine gear before you could realistically do it.

The Divine grind is a boring chore. NG+ and ++ and +++++++++++++ or whatever it goes up to appear to be the same game with one or two more baddies placed and bloated health/damage.

I don't know why every game needs to be a platform that tries to have 100+ hours by padding ♥♥♥♥ out, but it did not do Nioh any favors. I'm at NG++ and I'm bored to tears and done, I think. Base game was great, but this post game is a giant mess with too many pointless systems added to an already bloated game.

[Seyren 'D' Windsor]

Even at the highest difficulty, the DLCs are perfectly doable with less than optimal gear.

You don't have to do New Game+ if you don't want to.

[Baldurs_Gate_2]

I did first and second dlc now without even do anything in way of the strong. The last dlc has the easiest bosses of the 3 dlcs i read.

[Just Aaron]

How are you at new game ++ and not have a full set of divine gear? From my experience divine gear drops like candy from a pinata.

[Jouni]

Originally posted by Maybe Your Dad:

Didn't even get a chance to do the DLC because I read everywhere that you needed at least some mid-high tier Divine gear before you could realistically do it.

This isn't true at all. Some people are just so shit at the game that they go to get op gear so that they can kill bosses just by spamming attack button. Then they go crying about that in different forums. DLCs aren't terribly hard(except maybe the "Everlasting Duty" side mission). Those people that complain just want to do things in a simple way and are unwilling to learn and improve when it doesn't work out. The first DLC boss for instance can be easily beaten without taking a single hit if you slightly analyze his moveset.

[Baldurs_Gate_2]

Originally posted by Jouni:

Originally posted by Maybe Your Dad:

Didn't even get a chance to do the DLC because I read everywhere that you needed at least some mid-high tier Divine gear before you could realistically do it.

This isn't true at all. Some people are just so shit at the game that they go to get op gear so that they can kill bosses just by spamming attack button. Then they go crying about that in different forums. DLCs aren't terribly hard(except maybe the "Everlasting Duty" side mission). Those people that complain just want to do things in a simple way and are unwilling to learn and improve when it doesn't work out. The first DLC boss for instance can be easily beaten without taking a single hit if you slightly analyze his moveset.

Wrong. Not everyone wants to try a boss over and over to learn all of his moves and to learn perfect dodging / parry etc.

Casuals want to run around with heavy armor, what makes it not necessary, to avoid all damage.

[Just Aaron]

Originally posted by Wall Street:

Originally posted by Jouni:

This isn't true at all. Some people are just so shit at the game that they go to get op gear so that they can kill bosses just by spamming attack button. Then they go crying about that in different forums. DLCs aren't terribly hard(except maybe the "Everlasting Duty" side mission). Those people that complain just want to do things in a simple way and are unwilling to learn and improve when it doesn't work out. The first DLC boss for instance can be easily beaten without taking a single hit if you slightly analyze his moveset.

Wrong. Not everyone wants to try a boss over and over to learn all of his moves and to learn perfect dodging / parry etc.

If you are expecting to beat a boss on your first couple tries you are playing the wrong game.

[Baldurs_Gate_2]

Originally posted by Just Aaron:

Originally posted by Wall Street:

Wrong. Not everyone wants to try a boss over and over to learn all of his moves and to learn perfect dodging / parry etc.

If you are expecting to beat a boss on your first couple tries you are playing the wrong game.

Why? After you get the knowledge that omnyo magic and this stun traps are superior, most bosses become just really easy.

Heck, this stun witch in the cave was probably the hardest boss in the game, because i did not know about this things there.

[SunfireKnight86]

Originally posted by Wall Street:

Originally posted by Just Aaron:

If you are expecting to beat a boss on your first couple tries you are playing the wrong game.

Why? After you get the knowledge that omnyo magic and this stun traps are superior, most bosses become just really easy.

Heck, this stun witch in the cave was probably the hardest boss in the game, because i did not know about this things there.

I don't think I had to fight any boss more than 3 times. Most just once. Now I'm on Way of the Third Playthrough and everything is a giant sponge even in mostly +5-6 Divines gear. I'm getting +11 drops from Isle of Demons, which means I guess I'm just expected to run the same low level missions over and over? But like, if the only purpose is to run the same missions, to get better gear, to run the same missions... there is no purpose, right? Is it just the same thing when I get the next tier of gear?

Also, adding multiple guardians and leveling guardians... why? The extra guardian doesn't seem to do much of anything passivley, and the amount of extra damage BS you get from your pumped up primary is noticable, but barely.

Like I said, just seems like a way to pad play time instead of making a good tight game. This game is a solid 8. Could have been an 8.5-8.75, but this "end game" killed it.

[Just Aaron]

Originally posted by Wall Street:

Originally posted by Just Aaron:

If you are expecting to beat a boss on your first couple tries you are playing the wrong game.

Why? After you get the knowledge that omnyo magic and this stun traps are superior, most bosses become just really easy.

Heck, this stun witch in the cave was probably the hardest boss in the game, because i did not know about this things there.

Knowledge of the fight is what makes bosses easy. Not the build you are using. I assume you are talking about Hino Enma? The vampire lady in the cave with paralysis? Just summon your living weapon and use the attack where you throw the animal at her. It knocks her down for several seconds allowing you to easily destroy her. Works when not wearing any armor. Moment talismans do the same thing.

[Jouni]

I think it's best that you go play the DLCs on Way of the Strong(NG+). Since you are already playing on the Way of the Demon you are way too overleveled and overgeared to play DLCs on Way of the Samurai. Killing enemies that don't pose any real threat wouldn't be a great experience.

[SunfireKnight86]

I'll come back in a few weeks/months and give it a fresh try.

How does this work though? Like, I get Divine gear to + whatever, then on the fourth tier I can get an even better type of gear anyway and I have to replace everything? Is that third tier of gear the best type? Does it level like Divines?

[Medusahead]

You can forge divine gear without any effort you just need divine shards. But most importantly You do not need gear to win . You can easily beat the game completely naked with trash weapons as long as you use the proper strategy.

The more you progress the better quality items will drop. Until you start running the abyss you don't need to be overly concerned with gear, focus on progress. When you get to way of the nioh you'll start getting one shotted regardless of what gear you have so you need to learn the proper strategy for each level. When you start running abyss you can forge a top quality item set in less than 20 mins and upgrade it continuously.

Eventually you'll learn how to beat everything without taking a single hit for most of the time. The most important thing is your spells, guardian spirits and ranged attacks to disable and critically hit enemies. Gear is something you gain in the background while you're making progress, it isn't something you need to grind.

Edit: I should also add I have a guide on gear which explains in detail how to craft divines and ethereals quickly and easily, check it out if you're confused about obtaining good gear.

[montengo]

Originally posted by Maybe Your Dad:

How does this work though? Like, I get Divine gear to + whatever, then on the fourth tier I can get an even better type of gear anyway and I have to replace everything? Is that third tier of gear the best type? Does it level like Divines?

not sure what you call tier / type, but there're 6 "tiers" - white<yellow<blue<purple<green<gold.
As for plusses, max soulmatched for non Abyss is +50, for Abyss is somewhere around +138 from what I've seen people posted, mine was +136.

Don't know why you are farming for gear, maybe post you build?

[SunfireKnight86]

Originally posted by Medusahead:

You can forge divine gear without any effort you just need divine shards. But most importantly You do not need gear to win . You can easily beat the game completely naked with a trash weapons as long as you use the proper strategy.

The more you progress the better quality items will drop. Until you start running the abyss you don't need to be overly concerned with gear, focus on progress. When you get to way of the nioh you'll start getting one shotted regardless of what gear you have so you need to learn the proper strategy for each level. When you start running abyss you can forge a top quality item set in less than 20 mins and upgrade it continuously.

Eventually you'll learn how to beat everything without taking a single hit for most of the time. The most important thing is your spells, guardian spirits and ranged attacks to disable and critically hit enemies. Gear is something you gain in the background while you're making progress, it isn't something you need to grind.

Edit: I should also add I have a guide on gear which explains in detail how to craft divines and ethereals quickly and easily, check it out if you're confused about obtaining good gear.

I am not a teenager with something to prove. I'll play the game how the developer intended or not at all if they intended it to be an offline MMO. I don't need to try hard Mister Miagee this ♥♥♥♥ to get a warm fuzzy feeling, I'll just go play something else when it gets grindy. (Which it did in NG+)

This game is not an MMO, but it wants to gear progression like one. Always a bad look.

[Medusahead]

Grinding gear isn't how the developer intended people to play the game. You just need some materials and cash for forging it's that simple, 0 grinding involved you get them from just doing missions normally and deconstructing/selling items you find.

The basic item drops you find throughout the game are more than enough to reach the abyss where real item progression starts. Even in there your items upgrade by progressing and not by grinding.

If you want to sit there doing the same mission over and over and then quit because you refuse to progress through the game then you only have yourself entirely to blame.