Endlich da und hier mein Ersteindruck der BETA.

Macht schon jetzt einen runderen Eindruck als die Beta letztes Jahr. Die Match Engine scheint sehr viel verbessert und funktioniert schon sehr gut. Allgemein spielt sich FM 17 runder und angenehmer als die letzten Versionen.

Definitiv ein Pflichtkauf für jeden der Fußball und Manager Simulationen mag, die absolute Nr. 1 am Markt und es gibt bei weitem keine Alternative.

Einen Deutschpatsch gibt es auf www.meistertrainerforum.de . Über das Problem mit der Chinese Version weiß ich nichts.

Kann ich nur empfehlen, TOP!

Ich finde das Spiel klasse.Auch wenn es Beta Status noch hat.Irgendwie hat es zwar keine grossen Sprünge gemacht.Immerhin kleine und wichtige Schritte in die richtige Richtung.Aber allein der 3 D Modus ist um einiges besser.Auch alles übersichtlicher.Bin mir sicher das es am Relaise und mit den weiteren Patches eins der besten FM wird.Freu mich das diese Reihe immer eine stetige Steigerung erfährt.Schaut euch die anderen Fussball Manager Simulatoren an?Überall auf der Welt ist nix davon zu gebrauchen.bin froh das ich einen guten Zeitfresser habe der mich nie entäuscht hat.

FM2016 was the first time I'd skipped a year since 2008. I felt was paying £35 for a database update and a generally buggier game, but over the years I was used that, but last year I was so fed up with it I stuck with FM2015.

Along comes this year's update and nothing's changed, in fact very little has changed from 2015. I mean who gives a toss if there's a pre-match line-up and handshake, watch it twice, the novelty wears off, then who doesn't click through it as soon as a skip button appears. I also think the social media stuff is useless bloat, it's click candy and not very good click candy.

On to the match engine which is better in some ways and worse in others with the much hyped new video captures i.e. tackles: they motion captured a tailor's dummy while the tackler does a little tapdance and the ball shoots away, and he'll run after it, or just stand there and watch while an opposition player runs from twice as far away to retain possession. (although sliding tackles are fine now) Shooting at the near post almost every time hasn't been fixed, nor has trying to pass the ball through the clump of opposition players directly in front of you, when you have players free all around you, nor has the disconnect between the action and the text description, if you say the forward blazes over the bar don't show the goalie pushes it over, unless it's followed by players arguing for a corner. Also "that would've been some goal" is only right about 1 time in 20. There are lots of others that haven't been fixed.

Negotiations with agents is way worse than 2015. You can get redlocked out for something as innocuous as changing the wage rise from 10 to 15 games. I've started saving my games before negotiations because of stupidities like that. And injuries are way over done. In the Man City game i'm playing I've assembled the best medical team money can buy and I've got De Bruyne, Sterling, Aguerro, Sane, Stones, and Otamendi all out long term. Well I own it now. They definitely did something to the demo that made freak scores more likely in the full version. Oh and sort out the damned licensing issues and stop being cheapskates because we can mod the team names et al ourselves.

Also can't understand why you can't have the demo ready in July, and the full version synched to the start of the season, with a full update when the transfer window closes.

Well not a positive review, but having clocked up over 8,000 hours playing various versions i'm think i'm entitled to a moan.

If you are tempted to buy new FM2017, please read some of the reviews first, including mine.

I am long-time fan of this series, started with FM 2008 and bought the new one every single year since then. Well, this year might be actually the last one for me. Every FM veteran knows that every year there are high expectations from the fans and big promises from the developers. Somehow last couple years the developers fail to deliver the game we all want, which leads to an increasing number of people turning their backs on Sports Interactive.

Lets start with my statement, that I am really trying to be fair and point out only relevant things, as I am not blinded by hate. I just want to play a good football manager simulation game that is actually enjoyable.The concept of the game is awesome, potential is huge and there are countless options and different approaches. Then why so many people dont enjoy the game? Its easy to answer. They expect a REAL simulation with HIGH CONTROL, however SI fails to deliver it.
Lets check out some of the issues.

1) Team Morale
In FM 2017 there is often no possibility to make players more happy beside winning a lot. You cant approach or speak to players with low morale. That is really stupid.

-You are trying to boost team morale by good training, good approach to players, fulfilling your promises etc. just to find out that players who played 35 out of 38 games want to leave your team because they want to play more.
-Players want new contracts 1 year after they have signed a 5year deal increasing their salary 3 times. If you reject it, it very often leads to a riot of other (happy) players, forcing you to sell that particular player and possibly some of his (now unhappy) supporters in the team as well or giving him 3times better salary again.
-Your key defender was sent off last match in 12th minute after 2 yellow cards bringing your team down. You fined him. He says he didnt deserve the fine and his morale drops massively. Another red card for him the next match. You fine him again (because thats what you do everytime someone gets it=fair). He wants to leave the club.


2) Transfers&Contracts
Although I think the current system of transfers/contracts offers a lot in a good way, its still far from reality sometimes.

- Very often you receive an absolute lowballs for your key players
- You need money so you try to sell your good and valuable first team player that was really good past couple seasons and a lot of clubs should be interested. No offers received even if you significantly lower the price
- You need to offer ridiculous amount of money for average teenagers
- Your average first team 34 years old player wants to sign a new contract and he asks again for increased wage with no negotiations. You reject it. He becomes free agent and then he signs for club 2 divisions lower with 10% of his previous wage
- You want your promising youngster to go on loan. He doesnt want to go play first team somewhere else and wants to stay in your lower divison B team, which is significantly worse than club that offered him a first team spot.
- Most of players (their agents) want ridiculous bonuses
- Some player agents are way too greedy, forcing you to stop negotiating with player that played in your club for 10 years
- You are one of the greatest managers of all time and you made your club very rich and famous, yet when your contract is about to be renewed 5% wage increase is impossible


3) Tactics
Majority of players dont know how to use the tactics and related options properly, making them believe the matches are hard to win and it doesnt matter what formation or system you use. Well, to be honest, the tactics should be the most important and the most result-changing aspect of the game. It certainly has the effect on the match itself, but to be fair, there are way too many player/tactical errors and unlogic behaviour.

- You are playing at home in a cup against very weak team from lower division. You studied their tactics, they want to play in very defensive setup, park the bus and instead of counterattacks they prefer just to send long balls to their lonely striker. So you focus on that striker, yet he still scores 3 goals a match.
-The next match you play against leader of the divison at home again. Its going to be a tough match. You want to have a good ball posession, focus on strong defense and in counterattacks you rely on your wingers to break their narrow defense line. But clean sheet is a priority, you dont want to lose. And result? 5:7. No words needed. Very real, isnt it?
- According to the simulation, defenders ignore their instructions, wingers ignore their instructions
- Enemy scores from outside the box every now and then, but your team once a season (despite the tactics)

Basically you can create tactics, make numerous plans, give instructions, study the opponent, yet still the match itself is way too random and your decisions should affect the match a lot more.


3)3D simulation
I swear. Nobody needs this 3D simulation. To me it is absolutely useless as long as you will serve us this mess. Players do absolutely random stuff like shooting from the corner flag or missing the empty goal 10 times in a row etc.
Goalkeepers are just figurines, defenders look like they play football for the first time in their life and the graphic itself isnt any good at all either. Please focus on improving the basics of the game and after that start working on 3D.
I personally never use this 3D as it makes me wanna quit the game instantly. Im pretty sure most of the people feel the same.


4) Beta, bugs, reports
Beta should be here to help SI find the last bugs they havent found themselves before the alpha is released. Yet SI forum is full of topics and bug reports that nobody adressed to this date.
I personally reported several bugs I have found, SI adressed just one (where in certain scenario you could play 38 matches instead of 34 in the Portuguese premier league). Rest of my bug reports (with proper evidence and savefiles) were never adressed, but some more recent were. Where is the logic?
With that being said I need to mention, that as someone already wrote down here in reviews, check out how many suggestions or customer requests SI actually implemented in game. None.
And should I even mention what everybody knows? That this year SI promised to deliver a chinese language to this game and by breaking that promise, they basically scammed 40k chinese players who have bought this game?


5) Achievements
There are many people like me who like to go for the achievements. Achievements bring a new challenges to the game so I want to see them fixed.
But every year there are some achivements impossible to obtain. Back in the days the biggest problem was to get the National Hero achivements (where you need to get the club from the lowest to the highest division). Then it was the Custom Challenge one, this year its actually a whole load of broken achievements including the most basic ones like scoring a goal in competitive match, winning continental cup or buying/selling players.


Please as I stated at the beginning, Im trying to be fair here, so I wanna say again that FM series were, is and probably will be very decent game with incredible depth and awesome football content. You can have fun playing it, you can love it, but the more time you spend playing and trying new things, the more you will see how this game actually needs a massive improvement. I know the series pretty well so I am sure that devs have a lot of work ahead and hopefully one day, they will adress what should have been already adressed.


So at the very end of my review, I have to say I DONT RECOMMEND this game, definitely not worth 55€. Maybe on sale but still, beside some cosmetic changes and small updates, the game is pretty much the same for a long time now and not worth its price by far.

Nun war es auch für mich an der Zeit eine Review zu schreiben. Das Spiel sieht um einiges besser aus, als FM 16, auch im 3D Modus. Ab und zu passiert es, dass die Spieler nach dem Ballverlust einfach stehen bleiben, das ist nicht ganz so cool, aber es ist ja kein FIFA und es kommt ja auch nicht auf die 3D Spiele an.
Alles in Allem werde ich wohl wieder viele viele Stunden im FM 17 verbringen. Mir macht er Spaß wie jedes Jahr und ich bin ein großer Fan der Reihe.

Intended to write something the moment I passed 500h, but then my LB got injured and one thing led to another. Now I sit here with 1 thousand and 47 hours on record, at 2am in the morning and I haven't really got anything to say that hasn't already been said in previous reviews and/or comments... No, the game isn't perfect, but I've enjoyed dwelling into the depths of this mad footballing world. If you fancy graphics and other superficial elements, this isn't the game for you. If you think you'd enjoy perfecting tactics or spending - let's say 547 hours - searching for a new LB, then yes. This is the game for you.

10/10 would waste my time again.

Right. Out of curiosity, I spent an hour reading the reviews of FM17. Most of them are downright pathetic and are filled with total BS. As you can see, I’ve spent quite a lot of time playing this year’s game. Is it perfect? No, but show me a video game (especially a sports one) that is. If you want an honest and genuine review, keep reading.
Let’s get this out of the way; I’m not a fanboy. For what it’s worth, I wasn’t a fan of FM16 alright? So put the ‘I was payed to type this’ theory away.

Let’s start with the match engine. Is it pretty? Heck no, but that’s not the focus of this game. If you want a game that looks pretty, go play PES or FIFA. These two games cannot be compared to FM. They’re totally different, obviously, so if a review compares them, automatically disregard it. The major focus of FM is coding the variables that determine matches, player interactions, player development, and so on. So please, spare me with the graphics complaints.
Football Manager is meant for the addicts. The diehards. The football obsessive. The people who know the game and how it works. 99% of the negative reviews are filled with people who basically don’t have a friggen clue about football manager. I won’t call them noobs because it sounds trashy, but these people haven’t spent enough time to really understand the game and how it works. They see black and white. For example, I saw someone complain that they received 40 million at Arsenal and that it isn’t even enough to buy a decent CB. Reality check: you can get about 4 or 5 if you know anything about the game. These people expect that because they’re a big club, everything should be easy and straightforward.

Another frequent complaint is that they always lose when they’re the better side. Admittedly, almost every game I lose in my saves are undeserved, but that’s because my teams are really good and rarely get smashed. You can’t win every game. This season (in reality), Liverpool were 3-1 up at Bournemouth in the 64th minute. Bournemouth roared back and won 4-3 on a last minute goal. The evidence is there. Your team will bottle games. It happens. If you’re a good player, you know how to bounce back and not let this frustrate you. The people who complain feel like they should automatically win every game against a weaker opponent. Don’t fall for the BS. It’s not the game’s fault. It’s the players who don’t get it and the players who whine and complain when they are the problem the entire time. Notice how they blame the game for everything and that it’s never their fault.

Now, as an experienced player and an addict, I’ve came across some strange things that I find odd. For example, I’ve noticed that after I win a match with the score line of 4-0, my teams struggle in the next 3-4 games and rarely win. It’s strange and hence why I say the game isn’t perfect. But you know what? I look for ways to get around it instead of raging and calling the game ‘bad’ or ‘stupid’. Another thing that frustrates me is that when I’m playing in a playoff final at Wembley, many of my key players have left for international duty and are ineligible. Again, I’ve realized this is my fault, as I have the option to block them from leaving when I receive the “players chosen for international duty” e-mail. However, I would like game to realize that these players are in a final and block their move automatically. My complaints are small and reasonable. People calling the game ‘dumb’ and ‘stupid’ and criticizing everything are pathetic. I hope SI don’t cave in to the basic casual players and stick to their target audience: the people who learn from mistakes and figure out how to build a squad and how to build the best tactic. The addicts. The diehards. Not the babies that expect to win every game.

(EDIT): Upon reflection, I've noticed that this is mainly a rant against awful and laughable reviews based on pathetic reasons rather than an actual game review. Is this game perfect? Again, No, but the problems people cite as legitmate reasons caused SOLELY by the game are flat out false (see the Arsenal example above).

Undeserved losses are incredibly tough to swallow especially if they cost you a cup final or the league....I...I don't want to talk about it.

We've all been there. We rant at our computer screens multiple times. "How tf do they have 2 shots on target and 2 goals while we have 10 shots on target and can't even get a friggen highlight?" The mouse goes flying across the room. Your day is ruined. The whole nine right?

Take it from me. As someone who lead Tenerife to a quintople, won the champions league, had a player win back-to-back player of the year awards all while using the best tactic I've ever built and used, there is a solution to almost every problem in FM.

If you lose a game undeservingly, it generally means 2 things.
1. Your team is actually really good and will hardly ever get smashed. Not everyone can be the invincibles, so the losses will pretty much be all undeserved.
2. Something in your tactics is off. It's up to you to figure out what it is. It could be a striker in a slump, your backline is too deep or too high, you don't instruct your players to close down wingers to stop crosses, etc.

It just seems to me that the people who can't accept blame go to the reviews and blast everything about the game. If you're debating about wether to buy the game or not, my best advice would be to go on YouTube to find a more detailed review. Not in these Steam reviews where people take out their frustration and complain about crazy things.

For anyone who is interested here's a link to my tactic mentioned above. If you're looking to take your club to the next level then this tactic definetly has the ability to do just that. Tried and trusted in all English leagues and Spainish leagues. It's patchy in European comps, but can take you very far. Link: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=860692506

Zwischen FM16 und FM17 gibt es ehrlich gesagt keinen revolutionären Unterschied, der Begeisterung auslöst. Der einzige Grund, warum ich mir das Spiel geholt habe, war der Social-Media-Bereich und die Aussagen der Entwickler, dass FM17 die beste KI der gesamten FM-Serie haben würde – aber das hat sich leider nicht bewahrheitet.

• Zunächst einmal wurden Bereiche wie Finanzen und Training überarbeitet, aber es handelt sich nicht um große Änderungen.

• Pressekonferenzen, Mannschaftsbesprechungen usw. sind komplett gleich geblieben.

• Kommen wir zur KI und der 3D-Engine des Spiels: Die KI ist sogar schlechter als bei FM16. Manchmal laufen gegnerische Spieler völlig sinnlos nicht los und schauen dem Ball einfach nur zu. Das Gleiche gilt auch für das eigene Team – sie hören an unnötigen Stellen auf zu laufen, schießen aus seltsamen Positionen oder flanken merkwürdig. Vielleicht liegt das daran, dass sich das Spiel noch in der Beta befindet. Sollte sich das verbessern, werde ich diesen Text aktualisieren.

• Beim Zuschauen der Spiele wirkt das Spiel zwar lebendiger, aber dadurch treten auch die logischen Fehler stärker hervor. Spieler bewegen sich, ohne Schritte zu machen, bleiben beim Laufen manchmal einfach stehen. Insgesamt ist das Verhältnis zwischen Schritten und Bewegung nicht gut abgestimmt. Die Spieler machen einen Schritt und gleiten dann wie auf Eis weiter – das mindert für mich den Realismus und Spielspaß.

• Kommen wir zu dem Feature, auf das ich besonders gespannt war: der Social-Media-Bereich. Meine Erwartungen waren, dass nach einem Spiel die Fans ihre Meinung über die Mannschaft oder den Trainer äußern – sei es positiv, kritisch oder überschwänglich. Ich hatte gehofft, dass es ein eigenständiger, hitziger Bereich wird – unabhängig vom Nachrichtenbereich. Aber so ist es nicht gekommen. In früheren FM-Teilen (wie FM16) wurde zum Beispiel eine Nachricht wie „Aykut Kocaman ist jetzt bei Konyaspor“ im News-Bereich angezeigt. Diese Art von Nachrichten sind jetzt bei Social Media zu finden. Zu Beginn schreiben ein paar Fans Dinge wie „Viel Erfolg unserem neuen Trainer“, aber das wirkt sehr schlicht und einfallslos. Der Großteil besteht aus genau solchen Nachrichten – also auch hier keine revolutionäre Neuerung.

• Die unnötigen und sinnlosen Verletzungen, die seit FM14 bestehen, sind auch in diesem Teil nicht behoben worden. Direkt zu Beginn war van Persie in meiner Karriere für vier Monate verletzt... Leider wurde auch hier nichts angepasst.

• Ich habe es am Anfang kurz erwähnt, aber auch die unrealistisch hohen Transfersummen, die schon lange ein Problem der FM-Reihe sind, bestehen weiterhin.

Zusammengefasst: Keine revolutionäre Neuerung, wieder eine Enttäuschung. Wer das Spiel neu kaufen möchte oder zum ersten Mal FM spielt, sollte gut überlegen.

Hätte jemand, der sich mit FM16 auskennt, ein gutes Update oder Patch gemacht, hätte man FM17 problemlos übertreffen oder zumindest ebenbürtig machen können.

TOP!
Das erste Mal das ich die Football Manager Reihe spiele. Dementsprechend muss ich mich schon ein wenig reinfuchsen ABER es lohnt sich. Werde noch viele unterhaltsame Stunden in dem Spiel verbringen. TOP!
Leider bewerten hier viele nicht das Spiel an sich sondern eine fehlende Lokalisierung in Chinesische. Das drückt die Bewertung in unverdiente Tiefen und hat mich dem Spiel an sich nichts zu tun.
Ich empfehle dieses Spiel klar weiter. Die fehlenden deutsch Daten lassen sich relativ leicht über die Community besorgen. TOP

Game is decent. I am on my 5th season. I have started this game early 90's with cm and cmita, playing eversince I adore football. But I stopped paying for it every year. FM2013 was my earlier game.

My adivice to gamers and football fans: Buy FM in every 5 years of period, because there are only minor improvements mostly and only we are paying for a database update. Which can be easily done by community.

My advice to publishers and developers: Stop asking 30-40$ for the samething on every November, just sell an update for 5-10$'s so everything might make a sense for the greater good.