Finally, enough is enough!

[Phillip]

I used to love football manager.....FM 16 is where my love began to die......FM 17 has just killed any passion i had for this once great game.

What am I talking about....consider this.

I am manager of cardiff city. Had a very good pre season....looking forward to the first game. Dominated the game...possession 68/32...went 1-0 up early on and lost 3-1. Visions of FM 16 coming back to haunt me, I decided to replay it. Second game....played exactly the same way...dominated the match ....went 1-0 up early and lost 3-1.

Ok I'm thinking well what do I expect if I play the same way. So played again.....and again and again and again....until i lost count. Only now I am changing tactics...formations....team selection and every time I go 1-0 up and lose 3-1. the last time I didn't even bother giving any instructions....either team or individual....went 1-0 up and lost 3-1.

Now correct me if I'm wrong. If I re-run the the match with different tactics and different players....i'm pretty sure that once in 10 or so games the score might change. Not so.

Interestlngly my feedback window always says the same thing....always too many long shots....always my crossing is poor...no matter who I have playing at wing and full backs. Every time I dominated the match....surely once in 10 or so the dominant team will win?

I would have been interested to see the opposition feedback window....it might have said on going 1-0 down....don't worry, keep playing rubbish..we're going to win 3-1.

This is a game and therefore what I input should have some effect on the outcome. It seems that whatever i did had no effect whatsoever. Then it has stopped being a game and a little like watching match of the day. Well i'll watch real football...I know that isn't rigged.

Time has come for me to say goodbye to FM...a game that once I loved....but since FM 16 a game now that i just can't stand to play.

Sad

[fiddypence2010]

Originally posted by jasseb:

It´s been like this since FM13. Nothing changed, unless for the worse. But wait a minute, we got mre questions for press conference AND we got the super-duper new social media stuff! WOW! Anyways, the Usual Suspects will tell you it is your tactics, no matter what happenes, or ratheer whaat doesnt happen, it will always be your tactic.

Do you get the same problems as Phillip? like go 1 goal up then have 3 scored against you?

[fourfourtwo79]

Originally posted by fiddypence2010:

Originally posted by jasseb:

It´s been like this since FM13. Nothing changed, unless for the worse. But wait a minute, we got mre questions for press conference AND we got the super-duper new social media stuff! WOW! Anyways, the Usual Suspects will tell you it is your tactics, no matter what happenes, or ratheer whaat doesnt happen, it will always be your tactic.

Do you get the same problems as Phillip? like go 1 goal up then have 3 scored against you?

No he doesn't. He is on an older release, keeps trolling players of the game if you look into his history and I'm getting tired of this, so here goes (I actually tried to help but get the abuse I expected there to be). He barks on about supposedly opposition superkeepers, cheating AI and getting rigged, when in fact his opponents don't even need a keeper most of the time. http://i.imgur.com/x9MB3Ej.jpg Funny, isn't it.

What Phillip faces may well be an issue with the game, as there is some really weird stuff going on with some formations, therefore without spotting, he could reload as much as he like. I really hope the wide midfielders will be fixed with a patch, as their positioning in parts in my opinion has little to do with football.

[I have quit gaming]

I've been defending this game from the start of the beta until now.

You are right, this is not fun anymore.

[کilversurfer♒]

Originally posted by jasseb:

Originally posted by fourfourtwo79:

No he doesn't. He is on an older release, keeps trolling players of the game if you look into his history and I'm getting tired of this, so here goes (I actually tried to help but get the abuse I expected there to be). He barks on about supposedly opposition superkeepers, cheating AI and getting rigged, when in fact his opponents don't even need a keeper most of the time. http://i.imgur.com/x9MB3Ej.jpg Funny, isn't it.

What Phillip faces may well be an issue with the game, as there is some really weird stuff going on with some formations, therefore without spotting, he could reload as much as he like. I really hope the wide midfielders will be fixed with a patch, as their positioning in parts in my opinion has little to do with football.

I actually believe that you are one of SI´s unofficial internet heroes, getting freebes and what not, and in return defending FM no matter what. Or that you are simply a SI employee. Cuz no matter what you will always sing hip hip hurray and hallelujah. Never have I heard you one single simple little thing that could even remotely be misunderstood for criticism....

From what I have seen around the forums, Fourfourtwo79 is a pleasant fellow always willing to help people out by raising some good questions and posting constructive comments. Some people just have the need to vent their rage over this game just because...

The game ain't perfect we know it, I will probably even skip this version since I offered 17 to my brother, it's not a worthy upgrade from 16, atleast for me.

I have reloaded my share of games and without changing much or anything at all, there were different outcomes.

[evgeny88]

что за абсурд в игре. моя команда наносит по воротам по 20 ударов. много выходов 1 на 1 и все удары во вратаря либо выше либо вратарь из 9 вытаскивает. соперник же по 5 ударов наносит и по 2-3 может забить. это бред

[Beardybot]

I've literally never had anything like this on any FM.

Which makes sense, because, at its core, it is a bucket load of random number generators, affected by a bucket load more variables.

Very often (particularly early in the release cycle) some variables throw things out of whack, and every year there are a few examples of variables aligning (in 14, overconfidence and the wrong press conference could halt a good run dead 9 times out of 10) to make a game nearly unwinnable, but I have my doubts as to whether anyone else could replicate this, even with your save.

And, in my experience, the kind of people that reload a game twenty times until they get the "right" result are the kind of people that can be counted upon to find fault with a game because they don't have the patience to play it properly.

[DevilHatman]

I get the same with several teams when playing as Newcastle... in particular Wolves has been an absolute ballache for at 4 or 5 versions of FM now. No matter what formation, tactics, players, teamtalk... NEVER have I ever won against them without reloading. Beat Man City one game, get turned over by Wolves the next when they're 30 positions below me in a different league. I don't even waste my time playing it now, I just go on holiday and maybe the computer can beat itself.

But then that's what this game has felt like for years. Like far too much of what you actually do is next to worthless next to whatever random actions is decided by the engine. Yet like a mug I keep buying it, hoping it'll improve... and each version is slightly better than the last but there are always glaring failures.

This year, so far the passing is atrocious, especially long-ball/goalkeeper distributions. The vast majority of the time, it goes into the middle of nowhere, where there happens to be an opposition player. And defensively, marking or closing down is an absolute joke. Strikers and goalkeepers (normally completely broken) actually seem pretty much spot on.

I'm sure SI will patch things in and make it better over the next 6 months, but this is without a doubt the absolute last version I will buy. I've paid for this, so I'll attempt to get some semblance of my money's worth out of it, but I'm losing the will. Uninstalling and condemning it to the hidden games list of my library is just a matter of time.

[Phillip]

I want to play the game fair and square...never previously felt the need to reload games until 16 started doing some very strange things.

I know some will always see it as my fault and I'm just a hopeless manager...and maybe I am. I wasn't bad though a few years ago. maybe I've just lost it.

Having thought about it, what I'm going to do is to to play 2 games side by side. Same team, try to make the same signings...which hopefully won't be difficult as I only made 3.

One game I will involve myself in the match play and the other I will set the same simple basic tactic game after game and not involve myself in the match.

I'll see how the two seasons unfold and hopefully it will prove me wrong and the team I'm involved with finish higher than the team I don't bother with. If they finish in the same position there may be something wrong.

I do apologise to anyone i offended. I don't normally complain. This had just got a bit too much.

[Khyron]

I have to agree with some of the accusations here concering the game.

I too from time to time encounter matches that simply can not be won, under any given circumstance.
And it's the same kind of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that happens in those matches.
1: My DC's just watch and backpeddle, allowing opposition to advance freely.
2: My sidebacks are nowhere near where they should be, allowing opposition free roam on either flank.
3: Opposition keeper plays the match of his life, no matter how many times i reload.
4: No matter how many shots on target I have, could be 20-2. I would still lose 1-2.

I don't mind losing matches when the other team is genuinly better.
But every now and then, the game decides that i should lose no matter what and the most ridiculous outcomes occur.
Leading the league by 10+ points in April, play at home versus a relegation zone team.
My team is in form, on fire.. smashing competition left, right and center.
Then this useless team of twits come to my home pitch and kick the ever living ♥♥♥♥ out of my team in 20 out of 20 reload attempts.. what the actual F.

There's no point trying to hide the facts anymore, FM is rigged to make you lose.