In 23/38 games I've conceded, opponent's 1st shot on goal was goal

[BRox]

I though I was crazy when I noticed a whole lot of opponent's goals came from 1st shot on goal. Then I figured it was my tactics, so I changed them too - no effect. I have the best defense and GK in league so that isn't the case either. I went through a first season couple of times to see if it's just a bad luck, but nope, game is just coded that way.

This is simply ridiculous. There is no way that's realistic in any sense. Even if striker went 1 on 1 against GK in all those games they wouldn't have converted that much. And it doesn't work both ways. I didn't keep count but I figure my team didn't score more than 15 first shots on goal in over 40 games where we scored. Like it's supposed to be.

[Agarwaen]

It's your tactic dude....

Wait for fourfourtwo to come with his screenshots ;)

[Ariakas6]

too much attack roles and attacking mentality

[BRox]

Originally posted by hicuty:

too much attack roles and attacking mentality

Have you even read the post or only title? This has nothing to do with tactics. I ran first season several times with different tactics and result doesn't differ much. Whether it's standard or attacking, support or attack roles, I even had cover CB, it doesn't change much. Not to mention I have 15 reflexes Will Mannion as GK in English 5th farmer's league. Same result. Had another wonderkid - Fruchtl, same result. Had McGillivray - same result.

[Kegbelly]

best to forget that this game is realistic and treat it as it is fun but nothing close to realism

[fourfourtwo79]

Here's mine. That's a goal scored in every 8th attempt, whilst the opponents need almost 11. Talking about on Target shots, it's 3 (us) vs 4 (them). And I'm no guru whatsoever.

http://i.imgur.com/7EWHoQT.jpg

It is certainly possible to be leaky, as it isn't hard coded how you line up. The key is not in the support roles pushing up, but the defending ones keeping position. Also not the centre backs, as they are the last line of defense, but the guys surrounding them protecting that line. Tons of Workshop downloads that are horrible on this (tbf this game is aimed at football fans watching the sports). http://i.imgur.com/xRpNjBK.png Leaking space it won't matter how good a keeper is, as forwards would always approach them in space. If your assistant was to handle match days and tactics, he also would report back with better defensive records. Then again, considering that crazy AI during long spells of matches can have 5-6 players on defend duty, including both wide backs (Team Black), that is hardly a surprise. http://i.imgur.com/Gors31M.jpg :D

You can tore you defense a new one by chosing man marking jobs (they aren't documented well, but will see players chasing their man around the entire pitch, leaving their position in the defensive formation and opening all kinds of holes, so risky for fulcrums in your defensive shape). The game if anything is simplistic/formulaic at this once you have sussed it, though it doesn't spoon feed. The alternative would be a bug triggered by an instruction or a combo, opening cans of space for an opponent every time they push forward. Not a good tactic, but illustrating what can happen to opponent conversion rates when you sit your entire team behind the ball rather than making everybody push forward where they may be constantly caught out of position. https://community.sigames.com/topic/391460-park-the-bus/

edit: Conceding from the very first shot on target consistently goes the absolutely same route. That is only really possible if the opposition consistently has every other shot in space. Never had this. Never will.

[BRox]

Originally posted by fourfourtwo79:

Here's mine. That's a goal scored in every 8th attempt, whilst the opponents need almost 11. Talking about on Target shots, it's 3 (us) vs 4 (them). And I'm no guru whatsoever.

http://i.imgur.com/7EWHoQT.jpg

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I'm not talking about shots, sot and ccc. I don't care if they score 3 goals from 5 sots. The only thing I'm interested here is amount of first shots on target converted to goals. In my recorded season it was insane 60% of all the games where I conceded. That has nothing to do with how leaky my defense is, how many shots on target and ccc opponent has during game. It's just absurd statistic.

Like I said, give opponent 38 one on ones and they wouldn't score 23 times, maybe if they were penalties, but out of those 23 only 2 were. That isn't something tactic can fix as long as the opponent can manage to shot once on target.

[CondorDrake]

Originally posted by Lykan:

Originally posted by hicuty:

too much attack roles and attacking mentality

Have you even read the post or only title? This has nothing to do with tactics. I ran first season several times with different tactics and result doesn't differ much. Whether it's standard or attacking, support or attack roles, I even had cover CB, it doesn't change much. Not to mention I have 15 reflexes Will Mannion as GK in English 5th farmer's league. Same result. Had another wonderkid - Fruchtl, same result. Had McGillivray - same result.

The fact that this happens to you, but to nobody else, makes me think it's your tactics :)

[BRox]

Originally posted by Equinox:

The fact that this happens to you, but to nobody else, makes me think it's your tactics :)

Try to think before posting.

[BRox]

Originally posted by fourfourtwo79:

So why not post it. Let's make this blatantly clear:

This game has a lot of curious things going on. Stating it were coded like that and that you couldn't do anything against it is utterly ridiculous. You can repeat it, it won't make it true. Any. If it were true, I'd be the first to join your parade, as I would be pretty screwed. And drop tons of points in particular when making my side sit deep and soaking up pressure and shots. As would any team who does it in-game. It's all fine stating this and that wouldn't happen in football. You can make teams play like no team in football does. In parts the AI does it at its most hogwash extremes of which there are more than enough. Some of it causes AI teams to have a shot conversion of less than 5% long-term. Good luck finding a team in real football that needs 20 attempts on average long-term to score but a single goal. That's not coded. That's their set-ups.

Aside of a defending bug triggered by your setup, the only other way to have this every other match is by having your back doors all kinds of open. Factual. Aside of own goals, a goal is always a shot that is on target. Always is. Getting this regularly suggests that all opponent shots tend to be in space, before and after. Additionally I'm suspicious, as this always tends to be exaggerated. The last time the guy kept a clean sheet in half of his matches, and only rallied against the fact that due to defensive AI being better set up than his, he never to rarely scored with the first shot. If you expect coming here posting nonsense without getting challenged, no dice.

What are you on about? You are talking complete nonsense. Are you playing in English 5th league where this is happening? I don't think so. I'm not talking about wordclass strikers converting 1 shot, 1 goal here, but players like Loza and Woolery. And that kind of stuff doesn't really happen against much stronger teams. Had Newcastle, Tottenham in cup who needed at least 3 shots on goal to score. With the same tactics. So yeah, I have the right to believe it's the some coding error.

And where did you get I kept clean sheet in half the games? I played around 55 games. In 38 of them I conceded at least 1 goal, 23 of them were from first shot on goal.

Stop being smartass and help the game become better.

GJ on deleting the post, guess you remembered to take the meds.

[sfa06305]

do you remember bravo

[fourfourtwo79]

So why not post it. Let's make this blatantly clear:

This game has a lot of curious things going on. Stating it were coded like that and that you couldn't do anything against it is, to use your words, ridiculous. You can repeat it, it won't make it true. If it were true, I'd be the first to join your parade, as I would be pretty screwed. And drop tons of points in particular when making my side sit deep and soaking up pressure and shots. As would any team who does it in-game. It's all fine stating this and that wouldn't happen in football. It's not football, it's a flawed computer sim. Additionally you can make teams play like no team in football does. If such were hard-coded, it'd be boring likely. In parts the AI does it at its most crazy extremes. Some of it causes AI teams to have a shot conversion of less than 5% long-term. Good luck finding a team in real football that needs 20 attempts on average long-term to score but a single goal. That's not coded. That's their set-ups.

Aside of a defending bug triggered by your setup, the only other way to have this every other match is by having your back doors all kinds of open. Factual. Aside of own goals, a goal is always a shot that is on target. Getting this regularly suggests that all opponent shots tend to be in space, before and after. I'm suspicious, as this always tends to be exaggerated. The last time in similar the guy kept a clean sheet in half of his matches, and only rallied against the fact that due to defensive AI being better set up than his, he never to rarely scored with the first shot. The mere fact that you experience this whilst others not at all suggests it's not the game. There are more than enough issues. You may have found one too by your setup. The game being coded for you to concede the first shot in half the matches plain isn't.

[Agarwaen]

dude, you can't win a talk with fourfourtwo, he knows what he is doing, and he does it for a long time ;)

Better listen to what he says, it's more accurate than everything you can think on FM, in most of the cases ^^

I tried once, but then i had to admit he is right ;)

[Leevobex]

It's because the game has been coded in a way to complete bias negative tactial set ups to avoid cricket scores, the amount of games were you miss countless one on ones and miss 75% of the penalties you take miss with world class forwards, and the opposition , playing deep on the counter attack have 1 shot and never, ever, ever, ever miss ever even if the local binman is playing up top and shoots from anywhere it goes in, or a midget with 5 jumping and 5 heading never ever misses ever, from his header, sports interactive will rant on about tactics and composure stats and finising stats and tactics, but composure and finishing doesn't apply to negative teams who don't leave their own half bar 1 attack in which they always score, regardless of distance, angle or whos taking the shot, its embarrasing the game is coded this way, limiting the opposition to 1 shot on goal would be classed in real life as a mircale and tactical utter perfection, but according to sports interactive, your tactics are ♥♥♥♥, yes, thats correct, having 25 shots on target, and having half a dozen one on ones per game is poor and badly thought out tactics, what you need to do is find a tactic where you never leave your half apart from once per game, guarenteed 1-0 wins will follow