Review embargo?

[King in Yellow]

The game is set to release in a week but there's still no review available, is there an embargo?

If so, did they mention when it'll be lifted?

[Kiros]

SchnozBott님이 먼저 게시:

Review embargoes are a lot more common in the industry than is being presented here. Nor are they typically a sign of 'lack of confidence in the product.' Given how recent the gold announcement was, there probably wasn't even time to get the copies out and expect reviewers to complete the game, write reviews, submit them to their editors, make corrections, and then publish in time for release. But gamers will invent whatever narrative suits their prejudices regardless. Even if we did have good pre-release reviews, these people would immediately accuse NDS of paying for them anyway.

Conversely, we can also make up any narrative that suits our positive bias. From what I have seen so far, if they managed to keep the level of quality of the demo throughout I'll be enjoying the game. Maybe the embargo is a show of no confidence, or maybe it's because they don't want reviewer spoiling the story before release day. Remember, backers that received the beta were told to not spoil, show screenshots or videos. Yet the same backers talked at length about the optimization, bugs and general need of polish of the beta. They possibly delayed the game one last time in part because of the feedback.

[Morgan]

SchnozBott님이 먼저 게시:

Review embargoes are a lot more common in the industry than is being presented here. Nor are they typically a sign of 'lack of confidence in the product.' Given how recent the gold announcement was, there probably wasn't even time to get the copies out and expect reviewers to complete the game, write reviews, submit them to their editors, make corrections, and then publish in time for release. But gamers will invent whatever narrative suits their prejudices regardless. Even if we did have good pre-release reviews, these people would immediately accuse NDS of paying for them anyway.

A review embargo is never a good sign. There is never a good reason to impose one, when the original SS released, reviews were typically published a good month before release. No matter how we decide to interpret it, day 1 review embargos are bad for the customer.

[splette]

This isn't the Cyberpunk 2077 release, sorry to hear many of you got PTSD.

The fully playable backer demo is available, so we have a very good idea of what state the game is in. Final game can't be any worse than that. Question is rather how many of the minor issues (such as melee) did they manage to fix in the meantime.

[J_Th4ng]

splette님이 먼저 게시:

This isn't the Cyberpunk 2077 release, sorry to hear many of you got PTSD.

The fully playable backer demo is available, so we have a very good idea of what state the game is in. Final game can't be any worse than that. Question is rather how many of the minor issues (such as melee) did they manage to fix in the meantime.

Having played the backer beta, I would have been happy if the game was released as-is. The melee issue is not an issue for me, given that I dropped melee as soon as I could.

Disclaimer - I never finished the entire game in the beta, but I did get as far as the executive level, so had seen quite a lot of the content of the game.

BTW, the stories about all the backers feeling burnt aren't true in all cases. I personally am grateful to Nighdive for making the game, particularly when they went on hiatus a few years back, at that stage I thought I had backed a failure. But, they turned it around, and in a week I'll be playing my beloved SS again, in a modern engine with contemporary graphics, but still an art style that suits the original. I can't wait!

[SchnozBott]

Morgan님이 먼저 게시:

SchnozBott님이 먼저 게시:

Review embargoes are a lot more common in the industry than is being presented here. Nor are they typically a sign of 'lack of confidence in the product.' Given how recent the gold announcement was, there probably wasn't even time to get the copies out and expect reviewers to complete the game, write reviews, submit them to their editors, make corrections, and then publish in time for release. But gamers will invent whatever narrative suits their prejudices regardless. Even if we did have good pre-release reviews, these people would immediately accuse NDS of paying for them anyway.

A review embargo is never a good sign. There is never a good reason to impose one, when the original SS released, reviews were typically published a good month before release. No matter how we decide to interpret it, day 1 review embargos are bad for the customer.

You're entitled to your opinion, even if it doesn't reflect how the industry behaves in 2023. A lot has changed since 1994. Also it would appear that you're not entirely correct about that advance review. The floppy disk version of SS released in September 1994, and PC Gamer's (the premiere magazine for the platform at the time) review was in the October issue. Other magazines such as PC Zone followed suit, publishing a review in their November issue. It was the CDROM version that came out in December after that, superseding the floppy disks as the definitive experience of the game.

If you have evidence of an August 1994 (or earlier) review (not preview) of the game, feel free to cite it. Otherwise please check your facts.

[MaikElPipas]

bnf님이 먼저 게시:

Sabin Stargem님이 먼저 게시:

My condition for pre-ordering the game is whether or not the OG soundtrack is available ingame.

I mean, you shouldn't pre-order anyway. Wait for release and see how the chips fall.

Well with the preorder you get ss2ee for free... So I preordered

[Skdursh]

SchnozBott님이 먼저 게시:

Morgan님이 먼저 게시:

A review embargo is never a good sign. There is never a good reason to impose one, when the original SS released, reviews were typically published a good month before release. No matter how we decide to interpret it, day 1 review embargos are bad for the customer.

You're entitled to your opinion, even if it doesn't reflect how the industry behaves in 2023. A lot has changed since 1994. Also it would appear that you're not entirely correct about that advance review. The floppy disk version of SS released in September 1994, and PC Gamer's (the premiere magazine for the platform at the time) review was in the October issue. Other magazines such as PC Zone followed suit, publishing a review in their November issue. It was the CDROM version that came out in December after that, superseding the floppy disks as the definitive experience of the game.

If you have evidence of an August 1994 (or earlier) review (not preview) of the game, feel free to cite it. Otherwise please check your facts.

Release day review embargoes make no sense and regardless of how hard you wish to cope and fanboy out it is usually a bad sign when the embargo is only set to be lifted on the day of release. Usually, when a developer is confident in their game they will still have a review embargo, BUT it ends usually 1 to 3 days prior to launch. If you are unable to understand the difference or are unable to comprehend how this sort of day-of embargo is historically a bad sign of the state of the game to be released then I question your authenticity or your ability to make logical associations. A release-day embargo is not a 100% guarantee that a game will have issues, but much more often than not it does happen to be the case.

[SchnozBott]

Skdursh님이 먼저 게시:

SchnozBott님이 먼저 게시:

You're entitled to your opinion, even if it doesn't reflect how the industry behaves in 2023. A lot has changed since 1994. Also it would appear that you're not entirely correct about that advance review. The floppy disk version of SS released in September 1994, and PC Gamer's (the premiere magazine for the platform at the time) review was in the October issue. Other magazines such as PC Zone followed suit, publishing a review in their November issue. It was the CDROM version that came out in December after that, superseding the floppy disks as the definitive experience of the game.

If you have evidence of an August 1994 (or earlier) review (not preview) of the game, feel free to cite it. Otherwise please check your facts.

Release day review embargoes make no sense and regardless of how hard you wish to cope and fanboy out it is usually a bad sign when the embargo is only set to be lifted on the day of release. Usually, when a developer is confident in their game they will still have a review embargo, BUT it ends usually 1 to 3 days prior to launch. If you are unable to understand the difference or are unable to comprehend how this sort of day-of embargo is historically a bad sign of the state of the game to be released then I question your authenticity or your ability to make logical associations. A release-day embargo is not a 100% guarantee that a game will have issues, but much more often than not it does happen to be the case.

They only don't make sense if you haven't worked in the industry. I have. And they're very common, even for games that became instant classics. So making the generality that it's always a bad sign is just an example of bias.

By the by, going ad hominem (attcking my character or intellect) pretty much invalidates any argument you were trying to make. Have a nice day.

[Schrodinger's Left Nut]

If you think this game is actually releasing this month you haven't been paying attention

[Mr. Du Bois]

Schrodinger's Left Nut님이 먼저 게시:

If you think this game is actually releasing this month you haven't been paying attention

Any moment before, that would be a smart thing to say, but reviewers are getting literal review codes

[Szogyenyi]

Why are you waiting for reviews? Everyone gonna spit on it, while are, the fans will enjoy. Wait for the 30th, download the game and enjoy. Do not care about what enayone else thinks.

[King in Yellow]

Mr. Du Bois님이 먼저 게시:

Any moment before, that would be a smart thing to say, but reviewers are getting literal review codes

RHETORIC [Medium: Failure] - The man looks unphased by the simplest logical argument, you feel like you're wasting your time.

[Morgan]

SchnozBott님이 먼저 게시:

Morgan님이 먼저 게시:

A review embargo is never a good sign. There is never a good reason to impose one, when the original SS released, reviews were typically published a good month before release. No matter how we decide to interpret it, day 1 review embargos are bad for the customer.

You're entitled to your opinion, even if it doesn't reflect how the industry behaves in 2023. A lot has changed since 1994. Also it would appear that you're not entirely correct about that advance review. The floppy disk version of SS released in September 1994, and PC Gamer's (the premiere magazine for the platform at the time) review was in the October issue. Other magazines such as PC Zone followed suit, publishing a review in their November issue. It was the CDROM version that came out in December after that, superseding the floppy disks as the definitive experience of the game.

If you have evidence of an August 1994 (or earlier) review (not preview) of the game, feel free to cite it. Otherwise please check your facts.

My comments were not opinion or inaccurate. While a day 1 review embargo may not indicate any issues,it is still not a good sign (not that does not mean it's bad sign).

In 1994 game reviews typically came out well in advance of release, as anyone else who was gaming back that will know. Typically does not mean in every case and I did not say that SS1 specifically did release after the review.

That said, could you please cite your sources for PC Gamer and PC Zone.

Edit. In fact I'll tell you what, I will give you some evidence.

https://www.pixsoriginadventures.co.uk/category/system-shock/

I'm guessing this is the same source you looked at. However I actually know what I'm looking at. These are both UK magazines, not US ones. PC Gamer October issues will have hit the shelves at the end of September, PC Zone's November issues will have hit at the shelves at the end of October. The EU release date for SS1 was November 1994. So like a I said, a good month.

[MaikElPipas]

Morgan님이 먼저 게시:

SchnozBott님이 먼저 게시:

You're entitled to your opinion, even if it doesn't reflect how the industry behaves in 2023. A lot has changed since 1994. Also it would appear that you're not entirely correct about that advance review. The floppy disk version of SS released in September 1994, and PC Gamer's (the premiere magazine for the platform at the time) review was in the October issue. Other magazines such as PC Zone followed suit, publishing a review in their November issue. It was the CDROM version that came out in December after that, superseding the floppy disks as the definitive experience of the game.

If you have evidence of an August 1994 (or earlier) review (not preview) of the game, feel free to cite it. Otherwise please check your facts.

My comments were not opinion or inaccurate. While a day 1 review embargo may not indicate any issues,it is still not a good sign (not that does not mean it's bad sign).

In 1994 game reviews typically came out well in advance of release, as anyone else who was gaming back that will know. Typically does not mean in every case and I did not say that SS1 specifically did release after the review.

That said, could you please cite your sources for PC Gamer and PC Zone.

This argument ( embargo = bad game) doesn´t have sense. Tears of the kingdom had a review embargo( well it was actually lifted 6 h before launch.....) and it was the most critically awarded game this year.....

[Morgan]

Schrodinger's Left Nut님이 먼저 게시:

If you think this game is actually releasing this month you haven't been paying attention

I think this time it actually will. It's reported to have gone gold.