Fully upgraded mini pistol vs unupgraded skorpion

[Lim]

Everywhere people say they immediately switched to the skorpion from the pistol as they got it, however it does less damage than the upgraded mini pistol. Am I missing something, that makes the switch worth it? been running the pistol for a while now, despite having the skorpion available.

[Golden_Duke]

Well, skorpion holds 1.5x ammo (30 vs 20 in upgraded pistol) and can shoot it in a very quick sequence.

[Seamus]

The accuracy with no upgrades on the skorpion is godawful. I'd wait until you've at least found the barrel upgrade as it reduces the spread.

[Hash]

It's clip size and rate of fire make it useful against security bots that would otherwise require you to reload and or to reposition multiple times while risking your life against their considerable firepower. On normal you can just pump a clip into them in a hot second and be done with them. Same goes for the large cyborgs.

On my current run I'm swimming in 9mm bullets so I just need something that delivers them onto a large target with some speed.

Whenever you can afford to take your time and aim with precision you might wanna use an electric weapon anyways to save some ammo for all the times you can't.

[Lim]

ah I see, I will try it out, thanks

[wardenwolf]

Eventually you'll have the Skorpion even over the assault rifle because of ammo, so keep the Skorpion and just get the upgrades. Even for taking out cameras there's no good argument for the mini-pistol because the skorpion can manage single shots. I ran with both until I got the magnum. You can get the skorpion early, but if you didn't, by the time you get it later you already have access to the upgrade machine with its first upgrade, so it's less of a problem to just replace the mini-pistol outright. I just used the sparqbeam for what I used to use the mini-pistol for. Of course, I dragged seven weapons to the Bridge level, so it's not like I'm running a restricted "build"...

[Zalugar]

It's a tradeoff thing. Fully upgraded, the minipistol takes up 2x3 slots, holds 20 rounds, shoots in 2 bullet bursts (soon to be 3, so idea how the math is gonna work there with the mag capacity), does 22 damage and has 50% armor penetration with the best bullets.

The skorpion fully upgraded takes up 2x4 slots, holds 50 rounds, is fully automatic, does 20 damage with 55% armor penetration with its best bullets.

However, it's much easier to make accurate shots and get headshots with the minipistol, making it far more ammo efficient. But if you need something that's about to kill you to die very quickly regardless of ammo cost, the skorpion will be your best friend. Pistol will do slightly more damage against fleshy boys and skorpion will do slightly more damage against metal boys but have more spread.

[PoxComet]

Originally posted by Zalugar:

But if you need something that's about to kill you to die very quickly regardless of ammo cost, the skorpion will be your best friend.

I threw the Skorpion on the floor and went with fully modded Minipistol and Shotgun.
I find the upgraded Shotgun and the Skorpion have about the same useful range.
Plus the Sparq on the middle setting and the rapier which I never seem to use yet (I just got to executive). I might drop the Rapier for the Magnum for some longer range sniping.

[Zalugar]

I actually used the shotgun on Security as a fairly effective sniping weapon. The dragon rounds' burn was also pretty useful for duck-and-cover shooting moments for the pew pew laser lads and elite cyborg assassins.

Shotgun's underrated.

[wardenwolf]

Originally posted by PoxComet:

Originally posted by Zalugar:

But if you need something that's about to kill you to die very quickly regardless of ammo cost, the skorpion will be your best friend.

I threw the Skorpion on the floor and went with fully modded Minipistol and Shotgun.
I find the upgraded Shotgun and the Skorpion have about the same useful range.
Plus the Sparq on the middle setting and the rapier which I never seem to use yet (I just got to executive). I might drop the Rapier for the Magnum for some longer range sniping.

The rapier and stims (berserk and slow-time) are your friends for fighting cortex reavers and Diego.

[Franzosisch]

I found the scorpion to surpass the rifle even with its full auto mod. Its fire rate is amazing and you'll be swimming in teflon rounds by the time you get to the flight deck if you haven't wasted them. You also get a damage upgrade for it pretty quick.

[Lucius Caesar]

ultimately the pistol is always going to be better on a per shot basis, and in a survival horror where making every bullet count, that matters more to me than overall DPS, but in this game? I can't spend my 9mm ammo fast enough, so the skorpion is the better weapon.

[Hash]

Originally posted by Lucius Caesar:

ultimately the pistol is always going to be better on a per shot basis, and in a survival horror where making every bullet count, that matters more to me than overall DPS, but in this game? I can't spend my 9mm ammo fast enough, so the skorpion is the better weapon.

Never discount DPS as a concept just because World of Warcraft mages ruined it for you ;)
Whenever the time you need to kill exceeds your time available in combat it simply is what you need.

[PoxComet]

Originally posted by wardenwolf:

Originally posted by PoxComet:

I threw the Skorpion on the floor and went with fully modded Minipistol and Shotgun.
I find the upgraded Shotgun and the Skorpion have about the same useful range.
Plus the Sparq on the middle setting and the rapier which I never seem to use yet (I just got to executive). I might drop the Rapier for the Magnum for some longer range sniping.

The rapier and stims (berserk and slow-time) are your friends for fighting cortex reavers and Diego.

Gotcha, thanks!

[Lucius Caesar]

Originally posted by Hash:

Originally posted by Lucius Caesar:

ultimately the pistol is always going to be better on a per shot basis, and in a survival horror where making every bullet count, that matters more to me than overall DPS, but in this game? I can't spend my 9mm ammo fast enough, so the skorpion is the better weapon.

Never discount DPS as a concept just because World of Warcraft mages ruined it for you ;)
Whenever the time you need to kill exceeds your time available in combat it simply is what you need.

oh no I love DPS :D I just specifically mean in survival horror where ammo is supposed to be scarce, I'd rather take longer to kill something with less ammo used so my resources last longer. I'm referring very specifically to games like Resident Evil.

And I don't consider System shock a survival horror, not in the same way. Ammo is much more plentiful.

[Crypto Gamer]

I play on hard 1 clip of scorpion teflon rounds is enough to down a security 1 bot my was upgraded to 20 dmg.
Do not have the second upgrade yet.

Imo even default scorpion is better than fully upgraded pistol but patch might change that with 3 burst fire toggle.

Now 9 mm is abundant and Yes pistol can do headshots so it is more ammo efficient but time to kill takes to long.More time to kill means you more likely to take health and or energy dmg.And if there is a group you need to kill fast.

Ammo is much less of a concern on normal difficulty as enemies have much less hp.

Even on hard 9mm is still common enough as tons of enemies drop it.

And most importantly magnum can easily headshot too and if laser does not glitch out(will be fixed in a patch)can deal extra dmg and has better armor pen too basically a better pistol.

Likely scorpion has the one of the highest dps in the game in close combat expect againts very high armor targets.

The default ammo has crap arnor pen and maybe need 2 or even more clips to kill a security 1 robot on hard.

So default ammo is only againts mutants and low tier low armor early robots like turrets.