No Autosave!?!?!?!

[WolfVonhinslik]

So I picked this up because I tried playing the OG game years after and it didn't age well at all IMO, so I was excited to try this remaster/Remake.

In 2023 and not having auto save feels like a crime. I already can hear the elitists typing now "hurrr it ruins the experience" or "Zoomer problems" or even "Skill issue" nonsense. I'm a millennial btw, and I've been playing game since the early 90s. Auto save as an option is literally just a quality of life improvement, I even understand the "wanting to keep the authentic experience" approach, but FFS make it an option to allow auto saving or something. Having never played the original game much, I played for about an hour the other day only to die at some point and having to replay an hour because of no auto-saving. I am returning the game because i wont be replaying the last hour of game-play. 10 years ago, sure it happens, but in a world where 90% of games have an auto save function playing one without it feels like crap.

I read people saying "I just quick-save before opening every door" its a quality of life addition and makes it so you don't have to do that. I know I'm going to get guff for this but i really don't care just feel like voicing my disdain for it, and I know it will be overlooked, ridiculed or other.

as someone whose got a full time job, a family and lots of other obligations, having to replay hours of play time because I was either immersed AF and didn't think about quick-saving or just didn't think about it and forcing me to replay a segment feels like an outdated practice and I don't have the want or need to replay a whole ass segment because I forgot to save. Not to mention I have medical issues that make my memory an issue as well so that just exacerbated the issue.

Accessibility is never a bad thing, if you want to keep the "Authentic Experience" then make it an option when you start the game to have auto-saving on or off, problem solved. But because of this I wont get to enjoy whats supposedly an incredible game, but ill never find out because of it. Just feels dated and stupid.

Flame me all you want, i really don't care, I'm glad you are enjoying the game, I unfortunately wont be able to and that's a bummer. Just wanted to vent about it.

[[ScrN]PooSH]

There is an autosave, but it triggers only when competing main mission's objectives or going to a new level. Both happen quite rarely, especially in the beginning.

I agree that autosave must be significantly improved to become a reliable feature. Hitting F5 every time before opening a door is immersion-breaking, IMO.

[WolfVonhinslik]

Originally posted by ScrNPooSH:

There is an autosave, but it triggers only when competing main mission's objectives or going to a new level. Both happen quite rarely, especially in the beginning.

I agree that autosave must be significantly improved to become a reliable feature. Hitting F5 every time before opening a door is immersion-breaking, IMO.

100% I just lost all motivation to continue playing because of it. Maybe ill pick it back up if they add a better auto-save function or something. I am a big SciFi nerd and this game has always caught my curiosity but having to replay an hour of game play just immediately turns me off of playing it anymore.

[Zalugar]

It has autosaves when you: Use a surgical bed, revive at a revival station, use an elevator to go to another floor, and when you enter and exit cyberspace. I think sometimes story progression elements will autosave too, but I didn't bother to note any.

But autosaves can be as immersion breaking as needing to hit F5. About to walk in a room, and it autosaves...hmm, I wonder what that could mean? Perhaps something bad is about to happen.

Besides, if you activate at least one revival station on any level, barring Mission 3, dying doesn't even force you to load a save anymore save for certain story situations; you just continue straight off from where you were.

And since this game gives the player an extremely easy way to circumvent not having super aggressive autosaves, a mere press of F5 now and then, not having autosaves is hardly a crime. Rather, as this is a resource management/survival game at heart, autosave can screw you out of resources.

The only difference more aggressive autosaves would make is not losing progress for half of level 1 and the last two levels. The game gives you a ton options that just render even more autosaves a waste of effort.

[WolfVonhinslik]

Originally posted by Zalugar:

It has autosaves when you: Use a surgical bed, revive at a revival station, use an elevator to go to another floor, and when you enter and exit cyberspace. I think sometimes story progression elements will autosave too, but I didn't bother to note any.

But autosaves can be as immersion breaking as needing to hit F5. About to walk in a room, and it autosaves...hmm, I wonder what that could mean? Perhaps something bad is about to happen.

Besides, if you activate at least one revival station on any level, barring Mission 3, dying doesn't even force you to load a save anymore save for certain story situations; you just continue straight off from where you were.

And since this game gives the player and extremely easy way to circumvent not having super aggressive autosaves, a mere press of F5 now and then, not having autosaves is hardly a crime. Rather, as this is a resource management/survival game at heart, autosave can screw you out of resources.

The only difference more aggressive autosaves would make is not losing progress for half level 1 and the last two levels. The game gives you a ton options that just render even more autosaves a waste of effort.

I rebut with as someone with not as much time or patience as I did as a child added to memory problems "Just pressing f5 every now and then" is a much bigger ask then you would think. Plus havign to do that is literally just manual autosaving.

like I said would be nice to have the option to something because I totally understand wanting to keep "The authentic experience". As for the problems with autosaving, many other games have mostly solved that issue, "oh dang the auto save screwed me because X Y or Z, wlel good thing the game loops 3 auto saves" so if one puts you in a crap pot, you reload the previous one.

I just dont have the time, motivation or want to replay an hour+ of the game because of it.

[[ScrN]PooSH]

I think the biggest problem is Level 1. You unlock the revival station at the very end of the level. Before that, an inexperienced player can spend more than an hour exploring the medical level without triggering a single autosave.

[Cenotaph]

it's not needed, there's a quick save which is literally at the press of a button, You can request it as a feature, but to get worked up over it... no

[JulesWayne]

Good old F5 and F9 seems perfect to me, modern games should come with it.

[Rekkin]

Once you activate the first resurrection chamber, there's no penalty for dying other than a couple minutes to get back to where you were (a change from the original, and one you'll enjoy unless you're playing on the absolute hardest difficulty). You don't drop your gear or inventory, all your progress is still there, all the enemies you killed stay dead. And like others have said, it does autosave every time you take an elevator. It's a slow-paced game already, a short walk back isn't much more on top of it.

[WolfVonhinslik]

Originally posted by Cenotaph:

it's not needed, there's a quick save which is literally at the press of a button, You can request it as a feature, but to get worked up over it... no

Thats literally auto saving with extra steps... I really dont get the push back on this.

The only difference is I have to remember to do it constantly and as I stated I have memory issues that make that WAY harder to do.

Having to constantly F5 F9 is manual auto saving.

[Zalugar]

Originally posted by WolfVonhinslik:

Thats literally auto saving with extra steps... I really dont get the push back on this.

The only difference is I have to remember to do it constantly and as I stated I have memory issues that make that WAY harder to do.

Having to constantly F5 F9 is manual auto saving.

There's a lot of arguments that can be made from either side. Like life in general teaches you save, whether at work or whatever. Doing a project, doing taxes, whatever it is you save it manually and somewhere you'll remember it, and is recommended you even back it up. A lot of services have cloud saves and autosaves themselves nowadays, but those aren't perfect either and relying on them can come back and bite you.

But the bigger thing is this game has a mechanic that, for the most part, overrides this more aggressive autosave mechanic. Once you activate a revival bay, even if you die, you aren't loading an autosave—you spawn at a checkpoint with no progression lost, just distance and need to walk back. To top it off, it atuosaves when this mechanic is used, even. This greatly limits the usage of autosaves to prevent progression loss to just unexpected crashes and about half of Level 1 (since odds are you'll trigger autosaves here and there already). Once you get most of level 1 done, whether it autosaves or not won't make much difference.

So it's not that you have to constantly hit F5, although having backup and redundant saves is definitely recommended (for everything, not just this game). And you'd be surprised at what you can cut down an "hour of progress" to on Medical.

Incidentally, what ended up killing you on Medical? I was thinking it was proximity mine since those are the usual culprits.

[Slumcat Millionaire]

TL:DR, just save manually you dropkick.

[Cenotaph]

Originally posted by WolfVonhinslik:

Originally posted by Cenotaph:

it's not needed, there's a quick save which is literally at the press of a button, You can request it as a feature, but to get worked up over it... no

Thats literally auto saving with extra steps... I really dont get the push back on this.

The only difference is I have to remember to do it constantly and as I stated I have memory issues that make that WAY harder to do.

Having to constantly F5 F9 is manual auto saving.

You must have issues reading, where did i say you cannot request it.

[WolfVonhinslik]

Originally posted by Cenotaph:

Originally posted by WolfVonhinslik:

Thats literally auto saving with extra steps... I really dont get the push back on this.

The only difference is I have to remember to do it constantly and as I stated I have memory issues that make that WAY harder to do.

Having to constantly F5 F9 is manual auto saving.

You must have issues reading, where did i say you cannot request it.

That last part wasnt really directed at you, i mean the community at large, sorry if you took it that way

[Stargoat]

Originally posted by Slumcat Millionaire:

TL:DR, just save manually you dropkick.

Aussie detected

[ZylonBane]

Thief 1 and 2 must have been hell on earth for some of you people.