Night in the Woods

Night in the Woods

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CharlieDeCat Feb 25, 2017 @ 12:17am
[SPOILERS] Let´s Talk about the ending and possible game meanings.
I really want a deep discussion about the game ending.
I know it’s kinda open to interpretation but I want to hear some assumptions, theories and points of view.

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CharlieDeCat Feb 25, 2017 @ 12:31am 
My Current Questions:

The "janitor" and its role in the game.
I cant stop thinking he *was* part of that cult maybe.
And how he kinda *give* hints to mae on harfest act.
And the tombstone on the graveyard.
Who is the janitor.

The "Ghost"
Is he really. "normal" or is a paranormal entity?
How he crossed the gate, holding up a teen. can he walk through solid objects?
How he "appeared" right in the end.
The arm foreshadowing. At the ending elevator scene, he lose an arm.
On early builds he looks like a big gator with glowly eyes. but ofcourse really tall more than a normal person.

The "god"
Does the rest of the cultist seen these "gods" mae saw on her dreams?
What are really these gods, and why they dont care.
Do sacrifices really help somehow?
What is really under the hole?
Did they survive?

maybe I didnt pay much attention but.. I dont understand these "gods" or cultists motive and the hole.. that "eats" everything.

The Pentagrams.
something mae said catched my attention. on the lost constellation on the frozen lake. the reflection was supposed to be the "after life"
She mentioned that a star in the reflection its looks like a pentagram.
What are the meanings of these pentagrams.
and how mae find these "patterns" specially on the ending cave.

The Arm.
Why cultist carried.. an arm of someone already dead?
....the meaning of the arms on the story?
The tatto.?

The dream sequences.
What they really mean?.
The guys that play the music. who are they and what they represent?
The shadows?
The animal gods? what are they. and why mae experiences them.

I may have more questions. gotta play the game again to get more answers.. OR more possible questions.
lancelot Feb 25, 2017 @ 2:52pm 
Re the kidnapping and the fence, the cultists explained that those singled out by the Black Goat got certain powers and that "They said Ed could walk through walls". So I think what Mae saw has really happened. But why the kid wasn't reported missing is unexplained.

Re the arm, Lurv is "punished" because he screwed up and left the arm lying around in plain view. But how he managed to lose it is unexplained.

The trolley reference is interesting, the moral choice at the end doesn't seem to be obvious at all. If they tell the authorities about the cave-in, and the cultists get rescued, then there is no evidence against the cultists, and they can continue on their murdering spree. The alternative is to leave them to die a horrible slow death, likely because of starvation.
Trace_Solphyte Feb 25, 2017 @ 3:01pm 
What me need is Game theory.
Court Jester Feb 25, 2017 @ 5:41pm 
A'ight well this is 90% personal interpretation, but here goes.

A big theme of Night in the Woods is the way people create patterns in order to create meaning from nothing. The stargazing minigame is probably the most obvious example of that, as the stars are just dots in the sky until people give them shapes and stories.

This is also what's going on with the Three Weird Teens and the pentagrams. Mae is looking for patterns in her own life, and finds these patterns with other people (the Bombshell at the party, the sax player in the abandoned stage, the sticker on the Party Barn door, the support beams of the mineshaft etc). Point is, she can't find a pentagram without running into somebody, and making a connection with them, however fleeting. When she runs into trouble in the woods, thinking about the people she's met keeps her going.

Mae talking about how the pentagram looks like the ghost star ties all this back in with the constellation motif, and pattern-finding. People are just people - it's how they treat one another that gives life meaning.

tl;dr, the teens are just teens, and the thing about pentagrams is just confirmation bias on Mae's part. But it gave her an excuse to talk to people and find her own meaning in life, which is ultimately what helps her out of the mineshaft and lets her move on with her life.
esdin Feb 25, 2017 @ 8:15pm 
Pretty sure the Janitor is the representation of a Caring God. Not interfering directly, but observing and cleaning up and fixing things.

He also looks eerily like the statue in the graveyard. Not saying he's actually an immortal being, but in Adina Astra's tale in the supplementals, the major antagonist is someone who has lived forever through the sheer will to survive.


As for the "thing in the hole"; the tagline for the game is "At the End of Everything, Hold on to Anything". Whether or not there's anything truly supernatural going on, the cultists have grasped on to the belief in this entity in the face of their town's slow death. Whether that means they're truly in thrall to a demonic entity, or just performing a horrible ritual to try and feel a sense of control, is up to interpretation. Certainly, they've still been feeding the pit but the town continues to collapse. Although, we did get a new taco place. Tacos del Diablo!!!
Melusca Feb 26, 2017 @ 7:34am 
Originally posted by CharlieDeCat:
The "god"
Does the rest of the cultist seen these "gods" mae saw on her dreams?
What are really these gods, and why they dont care.
Do sacrifices really help somehow?
What is really under the hole?
Did they survive?

maybe I didnt pay much attention but.. I dont understand these "gods" or cultists motive and the hole.. that "eats" everything.

[...]

The dream sequences.
What they really mean?.
The guys that play the music. who are they and what they represent?
The shadows?
The animal gods? what are they. and why mae experiences them.

There are multiple explanations for this, rational and not-so rational. They might be both true at the same time.

I'll start with the not-rational stuff.

The "god" in the hole, and the spirit animals, are probably entities that come from outer space or another plane of existence, similar to H.P. Lovecraft's Outer Gods[en.wikipedia.org]. They view humans pretty much as we view insects: some don't care about them, some kinda like them or want to study them, some want to mess with them just for fun, and some want to have them for breakfast. The hole-god is definitely in one of these two last categories. Since it's depicted as a goat by the cultists, it's probably based on Shub-Niggurath[en.wikipedia.org], "the Black Goat of the Woods" (one of Lovecraft's entities). The cat-god might be based on Ulthar[en.wikipedia.org]. His speech about the endless void and the entities that populate it, for whom humans and their lives are of no consequence, sounds very Lovecraft-ish.

I don't remember if the cultists claim to see any of the spirit entities outside of the hole-god, but they definitely see this one as a goat (there's a painting of it in the Historical Society). They believe that by sacrificing humans to the god, they'll be granted their wishes (restoring Possum Springs to its former glory). It's unknown what's actually in the hole, though it's probably what counts as the god's physical form, or some kind of portal to its reality.

The musicians are ghosts of former Possum Springs musicians, who died playing in the woods (they're mentioned by the saxophonist playing in the Party House attic). They were probably entranced by the hole-god, hence why Mae sees them.

Basically, classic horror stuff. Now for the rational interpretations:

When you go to the library with Bea, you can find an article about toxic gas that seeps from underground Possum Springs, that gives people hallucinations and might come out in certain houses. Mae complains often about headaches and may be under the influence of that gas. Since she has tons of visions in the mines, it's quite probable that the gas might come from the cultists' hole, and that they suffer from it too.

Another explanation is sleep paralysis[en.wikipedia.org]. It's a condition that causes you hallucinations (often shadowy, ghostly beings) which can sometimes manifest outside of sleep if you have sleeping problems or mental health disorders (and both apply to Mae). It does not explain how the cultists share the same visions though.

Once again, both rational and non-rational explanation can apply to what's happening in NITW.

Originally posted by Combustible Jackass:
A big theme of Night in the Woods is the way people create patterns in order to create meaning from nothing. The stargazing minigame is probably the most obvious example of that, as the stars are just dots in the sky until people give them shapes and stories.

This is so true it almost hurts.
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JDZ5 Feb 26, 2017 @ 9:36am 
Have we given up on the possibility of an alternate ending already? One that maybe has a hidden cutscene, or something of that nature. I'm sure it would probably lead to more questions than answers, but it might help cross some things out, provided that it does exist because we seem to be implying that we've found all the information the game has to offer lure wise.
Hex ☆ Feb 26, 2017 @ 10:47am 
Mae running from college is her "breaking" again. She runs home, thinking that she'll feel safe but still feels anxious and depressed. This is because the main antagonist of the game is society itself in a way, mainly small town idealism, capitalism, and conservitism. The people of the cult represent pretty much all of these things, and the monster in the pit itself is the machine of capitalism. You throw in migrants, immigrants, aimless teens into the beast to keep it fed, from causing a structural collapse on the system, but at what cost? The game is actually brimming with themes of revolution (constant war memorials and whatnot, graffiti on the murals) and this was Mae's "revolution." The thing is, even after the cult has been "defeated" she doesn't feel at ease. It's because she realizes the parallels between them and the world, the fact that the strong will always sacrifice the poor and weak, and that even the town they're sitting on is on a literal sinkhole. (it's a mining town.)

tl;dr: the cult is capitalism, mae (and the player) feels like they didn't accomplish anything because the cult was merely a physical representation of these ideas but mae realizes that they permeate contemporary society
Diablogolic Feb 26, 2017 @ 11:10am 
Originally posted by Melusca:
Now for the rational interpretations:

When you go to the library with Bea, you can find an article about toxic gas that seeps from underground Possum Springs, that gives people hallucinations and might come out in certain houses. Mae complains often about headaches and may be under the influence of that gas. Since she has tons of visions in the mines, it's quite probable that the gas might come from the cultists' hole, and that they suffer from it too.

Another explanation is sleep paralysis[en.wikipedia.org]. It's a condition that causes you hallucinations (often shadowy, ghostly beings) which can sometimes manifest outside of sleep if you have sleeping problems or mental health disorders (and both apply to Mae). It does not explain how the cultists share the same visions though.

Once again, both rational and non-rational explanation can apply to what's happening in NITW.

Originally posted by Combustible Jackass:
A big theme of Night in the Woods is the way people create patterns in order to create meaning from nothing. The stargazing minigame is probably the most obvious example of that, as the stars are just dots in the sky until people give them shapes and stories.

This is so true it almost hurts.

I was thinking about the gas too, but in this case how Eide (the "Ghost" guy) can be explained? I mean, his clearly supernatural powers like hovering above the ground, walking through walls and probably some psychic powers - influencing Mae's mind and giving her nightmares (though it could be the Goat-Hole God doing). Not even mentioning the infamous "fence-jumping" about which Mae kept telling everyone after the Harfest. If the toxic gas is responsible for Mae's and cult's behaviour, than how the hell Eide is capable of doing all these things? Everyone saw how he suddenly appeared in the elevator and even tried to drag Mae down. And Mae's friends also saw him when they were searching for ghosts in different locations. He certainly couldn't be a mass hallucination of both the cult and the protagonists.
So, all in all, right now Eide and his superpowers are things that debunk any kind of rational interpretaion. Unless there is a good and logical explanation of his actions and abilities.
Last edited by Diablogolic; Feb 26, 2017 @ 11:14am
Melusca Feb 26, 2017 @ 12:05pm 
Molly mentions that he couldn't have gone through the fence, but that he could have walked around, though it would have taken too many time for Mae to be right behind him. But maybe she wasn't "right behind him" to begin with - maybe she was lost in thought for a sufficient amount of time for him to go around the fence (like, during the loading between the two screens?). If Mae's friends were also starting to get influenced by the gas in the mines, they might not have noticed Eide going into the elevator with them. It's kinda far-fetched but definitely rational.

(But personally I think the real answer is probably a combination of rational and irrational causes.)
Last edited by Melusca; Feb 26, 2017 @ 12:07pm
Diablogolic Feb 26, 2017 @ 12:30pm 
Welp, I guess you're right. There are many different clues pointing at supernatural stuff going on around but there are also a lot of things that make all of it kind of... natural. Like the leader of the cult saying that he had never seen Ed (the original leader, I guess) walking through walls or Eide being able to just run around the fence. But at the same time Eide's superpowers and Mae's dreams (especially the creepy one with the red well right after she saw Eide kidnapping a kid after the perfomance) make it really weird and surreal. For example, about that creepy dream. I don't remember Mae ever coming to that place before or any mentioning of her being there at all. Then how could she know about that well and crying kids in it (which is a foreshadowing of events happening in the end).
It seems we won't be able to say for sure if it's just gas effecting people or truly a freaking Lovecraftian God living under the town and turning people insane WHILE giving his worshippers superpowers. Anyway, this duality of the situation makes it only more interesting, which is certainly a plus. I hope we'll find answers in the future. Some of them at least.
Spiders For Sale Feb 26, 2017 @ 6:51pm 
I don't think the whole supernatural/cosmic horror part of the plot is really relevant in a literal sense but has more of an symbolic purpose like the one Archie explained. It would fit the game's nature as very much a "generational" story in this case specifically millenials. It's not a horror story. So I think a deeper analysis of the construction or logic of said part wouldn't produce any especially meaningful insights.
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Bliko Feb 26, 2017 @ 7:18pm 
Originally posted by CL4P-TP:
What me need is Game theory.
no mattpat is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥
HOBO BOB Feb 26, 2017 @ 8:18pm 
Originally posted by PImP™:
Originally posted by CL4P-TP:
What me need is Game theory.
no mattpat is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥
worth a try
(im very tired so this might not make much sense) im going to go with a much simpler, although far fetched, idea. I think Mae has some form of early on dementia. i was looking up the symptoms she has, (mood swings, forgetfulness, trouble with words, sleep issues, muscle spasms and seisures, blackouts, hallucinations, losing touch with reality, etc) and dementia, specifically a form of dementia called DLB, fits a lot of those categories. i know its kind of a "oh it was all a dream" kind of theory,but it works! plus look at her drawings, how she acts. if she didnt specifically tell you her age/clues about her age (like college) in the game, how old would you have guessed she was? for me, i couldnt have imagined her as being anything over 15 or 16, much less 20. Matpat, its your time. make us a theory to explain this! also heres an exerpt from an article on DLB :)Dementia with Lewy Bodies
Dementia with Lewy bodies (DLB) is one of the most common types of progressive dementia. The central feature of DLB is progressive cognitive decline, combined with three additional defining features: (1) pronounced “fluctuations” in alertness the and attention, such as frequent drowsiness, lethargy, lengthy periods of time spent staring into space, or disorganized speech; (2) recurrent visual hallucinations; and (3) parkinsonian motor symptoms, such as rigidity and the loss of spontaneous movement. People may also suffer from depression. The symptoms of DLB are caused by the build-up of Lewy bodies – accumulated bits of alpha-synuclein protein — inside the nuclei of neurons in areas of the brain that control particular aspects of memory and motor control. The similarity of symptoms between DLB and Parkinson’s disease, and between DLB and Alzheimer’s disease, can often make it difficult for a doctor to make a definitive diagnosis. In addition, Lewy bodies are often also found in the brains of people with Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s diseases. These findings suggest that either DLB is related to these other causes of dementia or that an individual can have both diseases at the same time. DLB usually occurs sporadically, in people with no known family history of the disease. However, rare familial cases have occasionally been reported.

im also wondering, can gasses cause anything like this? in the library, their was a news article talking about gasses that were making people go crazy, hallucinate, etc...
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