Help with some cards

[Xnaker Eyes ⭐⭐⭐]

1) I have to choose between Grand Horn of Heaven and Black Horn of Heaven.
Which of those, guys, you think is better or at least more suitable?
2) I'm looking for a card similar to Butterfly Dagger - Elma[yugioh.wikia.com], that is, with an effect like "When this card is sent to the Graveyard, return it to your hand" And no, effects that says "Return it to the top of the Deck" is not what I'm looking for....
Edit: It could be Monster, Trap or Spell card, it doesn't matter...

[Sigma]

1. I would say go with black, cuz once you go black you never go back.

2. There is no such card and will never be another card like this again in spell format. It's why the dagger was banned in the first place, to prevent it from returning to your hand all the time with destruction effects thus prevent easy otks.
The other card that is remotely similar to this is Black Ptera.

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by Sigma:

1. I would say go with black, cuz once you go black you never go back.

2. There is no such card and will never be another card like this again in spell format. It's why the dagger was banned in the first place, to prevent it from returning to your hand all the time with destruction effects thus prevent easy otks.
The other card that is remotely similar to this is Black Ptera.

Indeed he's right because people used it with royal Magical library and another card that destroyed equips a gearfried i think it was to continue to generate spell counters etc.

Sometimes a card ends up too powerful for any format, (yata garasu) your opponent will never draw again and if you say empty their hand (royal tribute etc) you have won the game without so much as a comeback from them. Like Sigma said the chances of seeing elma again well probably never. There's always a reason why cards like that have to remain in the ban list for a very long time/indefinitely.

[DUBINA]

If you would want to play a gladiator beast deck then they have some spells that return to hand when the monster goes back to deck but it doesn't build you an advantage whatsoever so none uses them

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by DUBINA:

If you would want to play a gladiator beast deck then they have some spells that return to hand when the monster goes back to deck but it doesn't build you an advantage whatsoever so none uses them

Very true. (g.b player also) for the g.b bulid it's good, gem knight fusion is his only real option for such a card or brilliant fusion which again requires "Gem-Knight cards"

[DUBINA]

Originally posted by Yojinbo用心棒:

Originally posted by DUBINA:

If you would want to play a gladiator beast deck then they have some spells that return to hand when the monster goes back to deck but it doesn't build you an advantage whatsoever so none uses them

Very true. (g.b player also) for the g.b bulid it's good, gem knight fusion is his only real option for such a card or brilliant fusion which again requires "Gem-Knight cards"

What are you talking about lol, talking here about equip spells not gemknights lol

[Xnaker Eyes ⭐⭐⭐]

Ok, so first, thank you guys for commenting. Second, when I said "similar to Elma" I was not saying that the card should be only a magic one, could be Monster or trap, it doesn't matter so thank you Sigma for the Ptera suggestion, I think it's the only card with the "similar" effect (I did my own research too). Third, I know what you're talking about guys, when a card creates a loop like Ultimate Offering, it just get banned. It was always that way.

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by DUBINA:

Originally posted by Yojinbo用心棒:

Very true. (g.b player also) for the g.b bulid it's good, gem knight fusion is his only real option for such a card or brilliant fusion which again requires "Gem-Knight cards"

What are you talking about lol, talking here about equip spells not gemknights lol

The discard nullification cost is something similar to what he's talking about, recovering a card at will or by effect from the grave. That's what I'm talking about....

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by Tag JuampyXnaker:

Ok, so first, thank you guys for commenting. Second, when I said "similar to Elma" I was not saying that the card should be only a magic one, could be Monster or trap, it doesn't matter so thank you Sigma for the Ptera suggestion, I think it's the only card with the "similar" effect (I did my own research too). Third, I know what you're talking about guys, when a card creates a loop like Ultimate Offering, it just get banned. It was always that way.

Ragigura loop still exists lol plus many of my own nasty tech combos people don't try competitively because they want to slot in more "field control"

Glad we could help you :)

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by Tag JuampyXnaker:

Ok, so first, thank you guys for commenting. Second, when I said "similar to Elma" I was not saying that the card should be only a magic one, could be Monster or trap, it doesn't matter so thank you Sigma for the Ptera suggestion, I think it's the only card with the "similar" effect (I did my own research too). Third, I know what you're talking about guys, when a card creates a loop like Ultimate Offering, it just get banned. It was always that way.

Btw i shouldn't say this but cursed armaments will bounce itself back to your field once equipped on a monster... I won't be revealing all my tech here. It's very overlooked...

[Xnaker Eyes ⭐⭐⭐]

Originally posted by Yojinbo用心棒:

Btw i shouldn't say this but cursed armaments will bounce itself back to your field once equipped on a monster... I won't be revealing all my tech here. It's very overlooked...

Flint ?... ;-)

[obelisk4]

I´d prefer Grand Horn since it can negate the summoning of multiple monsters.

[This is a house]

Which of the horns is bigger? It's the size that matters.

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by Tag JuampyXnaker:

Originally posted by Yojinbo用心棒:

Btw i shouldn't say this but cursed armaments will bounce itself back to your field once equipped on a monster... I won't be revealing all my tech here. It's very overlooked...

Flint ?... ;-)

Ah well for that you need to be quite careful and creative with it but it might work ;)

[Poreel]

If they're going to ban Butterfly Dagger, they could at least ban Guardian Elma too, rather than make one card literally unplayable for no reason.

[obelisk4]

Dagger Elma has been banned for about 10 years now. And the reason for it´s ban has nothing to do with Guardian Elma. It is because you can exploit the effect which sent it back to your hand. In some combos it might be an instant win.