Upstart golbin over cards like jar of greed? Real reason behind it?

[Kimuto]

I'm still pretty new to this new Yu-Gi-Oh generation. I've stopped playing around like 2007 on game boy advance where synchro summon doesn't exist yet. I know that draw power can make the deck size seem a bit smaller which can increase the chances of drawing what you needed and make the deck build a lot easier but is instant draw really a must? I rather like wait a turn to get my draw with my jar of greed without giving any life points to my oppenent. 1000 life points isn't much, I know but most players usually just destory set cards with twin twister or whatever and that gives me one (or 2) more card advantage in hand by popping my trap right away to get my draw without a care in the world. Even better if it gets negated I guess which will never happen lol. I guess it is better in solutions when having low on cards in hand and needed an instant draw with a little more options compare to a jar of greed giving you a draw on your oppenent turn.

[Sigma]

Some people have a preference with the trap versions over spell versions. It depends if their deck can utilize it. If it's slow they're most likely to use the trap card to bait destruction cards. And that's even if they use it in the first place. Most decks don't use the trap version, it just doesn't belong there, especailly the meta decks.

As you can see, most of the spell versions usually have some kind of drawback to it, whether it's just as simple 1000 life point for opponent or discard your whole hand, almost none of the trap versions have it. It's because it takes a full turn to use them is the reason why it's not preferred. Players who want to thin out their deck want to thin it out immediately. And also, statistically speaking, it's very possible that your jar of greed can draw into... another jar of greed. It's a waste of a turn/card and that one little card could possibly cost you the game nowadays.

[GinTo]

jar of greed is extremely slow and casual btw, a nightmare to have in starting hand in my opinion and today's meta is so fast you dont wanna be slowed down by some dead cards in your hand , do you? however upstart gobelin is always nice and functionnal, helps you minimize the deck in a kind way for your oppponent ^^

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Yeah as Knight and Sigma have said really. I would only add that upstart is great in a burn deck or when you are trying push for game, there are much better draw cards but if you choose to use a card that let's you draw at all and you should, try to make sure you get the best use out of it or some extra utility for examle defense draw which can save you taking big LP damage or draw muscle.

You need to always have a good balance of synergy, speed, and consistancy in your deck you should have some search or draw cards but too many will ruin your deck or you may find that jar of greed is not enough in a faster format and having to set it to use it. Many use duality still but it is better to use that when you don't want to special summon because it won't let you special summon for the turn after you use it as the card states.

[Xnaker Eyes ⭐⭐⭐]

Originally posted by Yojinbo用心棒:

for example defense draw which can save you taking big LP damage or draw muscle.

One Day of Peace?

Originally posted by JuampyXnaker:

Also the One Day of Peace effect helps when you don't have any card on the field and the Adversary will not be able to hurt your LP for another turn.

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by Tag JuampyXnaker:

Originally posted by Yojinbo用心棒:

for example defense draw which can save you taking big LP damage or draw muscle.

One Day of Peace?

Originally posted by JuampyXnaker:

Also the One Day of Peace effect helps when you don't have any card on the field and the Adversary will not be able to hurt your LP for another turn.

Yeah but the card is very powerful and you aren't thinking it allows the opponent advantage too

"both players draw 1 card"

Why is that bad?

Potentially you just gave your opponent a raigeki, a mirror force, or another part of their combo cards.


You are correct in that it is like we were talking about here and indeed it's great but advantage is important and one card can literally change everything potentially.

[GinTo]

Originally posted by Yojinbo用心棒:

upstart is great in a burn deck or when you are trying push for game, there are much better draw cards

i don't agree
upstart is the most played draw card in competition actually. Why? minimizing the deck is good for consistency and having a "39" cards deck is better than a "40"cards deck . Simple ;)

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by X-Knight:

Originally posted by Yojinbo用心棒:

upstart is great in a burn deck or when you are trying push for game, there are much better draw cards

i don't agree
upstart is the most played draw card in competition actually. Why? minimizing the deck is good for consistency and having a "39" cards deck is better than a "40"cards deck . Simple ;)

I don't agree because I've seen competitive builds and it wasn't as common as you say it was outside of what I mentioned, if you've gone to YCS in the TCG you'd know this too, it's a 1 for 1 card and although you do have some point

This is the entire purpose of search cards i.e toon table of contents, it allows you to build a deck with" less" cards in theory.

You are just playing silly if you are saying everyone uses it. Monarchs use duality for example because of the tribute summon (advanced summon) so no you should know better than this being a player of very great skill and ability.

[Xnaker Eyes ⭐⭐⭐]

Originally posted by Yojinbo用心棒:

Originally posted by Tag JuampyXnaker:

One Day of Peace?

Yeah but the card is very powerful and you aren't thinking it allows the opponent advantage too

"both players draw 1 card"

Why is that bad?

Potentially you just gave your opponent a raigeki, a mirror force, or another part of their combo cards.

You are correct in that it is like we were talking about here and indeed it's great but advantage is important and one card can literally change everything potentially.

You're correct, But I still prefer Dark Bribe[yugioh.wikia.com] over Magic Jammer[yugioh.wikia.com]

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by Tag JuampyXnaker:

Originally posted by Yojinbo用心棒:

Yeah but the card is very powerful and you aren't thinking it allows the opponent advantage too

"both players draw 1 card"

Why is that bad?

Potentially you just gave your opponent a raigeki, a mirror force, or another part of their combo cards.

You are correct in that it is like we were talking about here and indeed it's great but advantage is important and one card can literally change everything potentially.

You're correct, But I still prefer Dark Bribe[yugioh.wikia.com] over Magic Jammer[yugioh.wikia.com]

Edit:
Also Grand Horn of Heaven[yugioh.wikia.com]

Yeah dark bribe is a pretty solid one a nice choice!

[Xnaker Eyes ⭐⭐⭐]

Also Grand Horn of Heaven[yugioh.wikia.com]

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by Tag JuampyXnaker:

Also Grand Horn of Heaven[yugioh.wikia.com]

Another great choice :)

[Kimuto]

Originally posted by Tag JuampyXnaker:

Also Grand Horn of Heaven[yugioh.wikia.com]

Oh wow. Good to know that this card exist. First time seeing it.

(Edit: It's in my cards collection... 3 copies)

[Xnaker Eyes ⭐⭐⭐]

Originally posted by kimuto:

Originally posted by Tag JuampyXnaker:

Also Grand Horn of Heaven[yugioh.wikia.com]

Oh wow. Good to know that this card exist. First time seeing it.

(Edit: It's in my cards collection... 3 copies)

Good to know it was helpful! ;-)